English- a Right Or a Privilage? Posted: 11-29-07 18:03pm
My brother in law said something to me
recently that threw me for a loop.. in
response to a bulletin i posted on my
Myspace, about some remarks Andy Rooney
said, one of which was,
Andy Rooney
wrote:
"...I believe that if you
are selling me a milkshake, a pack of
cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room,
you must do it in English! As a matter of
fact, if you want to be an American
citizen, you should have to speak
English!...I think the police should have
every right to shoot your sorry ass if you
threaten them after they tell you to stop.
If you can't understand the word 'freeze'
or 'stop' in English, see the above
lines..."
my brother in law said this in response..
Brian
wrote:
" the line about needing to
speak english is a bunch of s*it. there's
no official language in the US, so why
should anyone have to learn to speak any
particular language to become a citizen?
what if they're
deaf?"
Do you agree with him?
My response...
"In order to function appropriately in
another country, lets say for instance,
Seoul Korea.. you would have to know the
native language in order to do so.. and i
wouldnt move to any other country and
expect them to adapt to my language just
to make things easier for me.
English has been the predominant language
here for centuries, and should still be
so. This country was and IS STILL based on
the English language.. Every docterine,
every legal decree is written in English..
our President must be able to speak the
language fluently and be born in this
country in order to hold his office.
People come to this country to flee bad
situations, i understand that. But they
need to make some sort of effort to adapt
to our ways of life and culture just like
we would in thier country.
Im sick and tired of going to Wendys, or
likewise, and having to repeat myself 3 or
4 times just because the person taking my
order cannot understand my language. I
shouldnt have to *press 1* to hear things
in English.. they should have to *press 1*
in order to hear things in Spanish.
This is America.. our Constitution is
written in English.. Our Bill Of Rights is
written in English.. and as soon as that
changes to add our rights written in other
languages i'll accept your point of view..
until then.. Not a chance."
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Mikolas
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Posted: 11-29-07 19:48pm
::saw the word Korea and comes out of
cubby hole:: heh, haven't been posting
lately. Umm, yes, you come to America, you
should learn the language. It's just
common sense, the language border causes
so much misconceptions and it is a large
part of why people are racist towards
immigrant countries. If we can't
understand each other, a lot of stuff
could go wrong. I'm not expecting
immigrants to be perfect in english,
shoot, most of us here probably can't go
off typing an essay without a few typos. I
also don't expect elder immigrants too
either, it would be difficult, but the
young, and those of the working class age,
I think there should be at least something
to make sure they understand/speak basic
english. Like a lot of professors in
college right now, they could barely speak
it, or have a huge accent, how the heck
are we suppose to do good if we can't
understand them!!
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Posted: 11-29-07 21:16pm
exactly.
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Posted: 11-29-07 23:50pm
I agree with you 100% Sandy.
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Posted: 11-30-07 02:12am
Hahaha. Try living in Canada where we have
English and French as our official
languages, and an increasing push for a
third (Inuktitut). It gets confusing
and... downright nasty sometimes.
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Posted: 11-30-07 04:28am
futureshock
wrote:
I agree with you 100% Sandy.
thank you, ma'am. ^_^
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Posted: 11-30-07 08:02am
I guess I believe that the different
languages people speak in my country add
to its richness and beauty, just as it did
when immigrants were first settling here.
If you want to speak what should be the
official language of America, how about
taking up Blackfoot Indian? Or Cherokee?
Or whatever indian tribe is native to your
part of the country. When I hear people
speaking foreign languages, I think "Oh
that's neat! I love the accent!" It just
makes me want to learn more about that
language, ask them where they are from,
spark up a conversation. It happened to
me just the other day in a store. The
people in front of me were speaking with a
very thick Ukranian or Russian accent.
The woman with them was very very old and
when she spoke to the two adult men with
her, they spoke in another labguage. We
spent 20 minutes outside the store and I
got to learn all sorts of neat things
about their Ukranian heritage and ewhy
they were here in America. That old
woman probably would not have even
ventured out if America adopted some
obstinate stance on "official languages,
blah blah blah". I love to hear the
people speak in China Town. I speak in
spanish with some of the ladies at my
child's bus stop, because using spanish
helps me to better my spanish. There
isn't much sense in learning a foreign
language unless you plan to use it. We
have so so many hispanic people here that
I am glad I have the ability to speak
spanish-although it's not very good. I
don't see anything wrong with trying to
meet someone halfay across the language
barrier. I don't think America has to be
homogenized 2% white milk in order for us
to get along and function as a cohesive
society. I like mine with a little
chocolate. But then, this is only my
opinion.
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Posted: 11-30-07 09:42am
I agree with Sandy also.
I have no issue hearing people from other
places speaking in their home language
when they are in the presence of their
families, but it really irks me to go into
a store or business and have no idea what
the person is saying. And for Gods sake
DO NOT give me attitude when I ask you to
repeat yourself a bit slower so I can
catch what you just said. This happens a
lot when you call AOL or it seems a lot of
telemarketers need a brush up on their
English. We have a store down the road
owned by a family from the Middle East.
They are the sweetest people, but I often
avoid their store because I don't
understand them.
It seem there are a lot of businesses
(nail salons) that are owned by Asians.
(I have no issue with this, actually I
think it's great). It really bothers me
when they are in a group talking in their
language and laughing knowing full well I
have no idea what they are saying. They
could be saying something really hurtful
or making jokes about me. I wonder how
they would feel if that were to happen to
them?
If I were going to a foreign country I
would at least have the decency to try to
learn some of the language or at least
know the most important ones. (water,
food, hotel, bathroom, and bar LOL)
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Posted: 11-30-07 09:56am
There was a program on NPR Not too long
ago detailing how difficult it is for
hispanics to fing ESL courses to take
because most were either too expensive, or
occurred when they were at work in the
middle of the day. I wonder, how do we
propose to teach these people english if
we are going to insist that they speak it
in order to come here? How many
Americans, I wonder, can speak moretghan
one language? OOh I just looked it up.
Less than 10% of Americans speak a foreign
language. There are a lot more than that
traveling to other countries I would
venture to guess.
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Posted: 11-30-07 12:53pm
sillyakchick
wrote:
I guess I believe that the
different languages people speak in my
country add to its richness and beauty,
just as it did when immigrants were first
settling here. If you want to speak what
should be the official language of
America, how about taking up Blackfoot
Indian? Or Cherokee? Or whatever indian
tribe is native to your part of the
country. When I hear people speaking
foreign languages, I think "Oh that's
neat! I love the accent!" It just makes
me want to learn more about that language,
ask them where they are from, spark up a
conversation. It happened to me just the
other day in a store. The people in front
of me were speaking with a very thick
Ukranian or Russian accent. The woman
with them was very very old and when she
spoke to the two adult men with her, they
spoke in another labguage. We spent 20
minutes outside the store and I got to
learn all sorts of neat things about their
Ukranian heritage and ewhy they were here
in America. That old woman probably
would not have even ventured out if
America adopted some obstinate stance on
"official languages, blah blah blah". I
love to hear the people speak in China
Town. I speak in spanish with some of the
ladies at my child's bus stop, because
using spanish helps me to better my
spanish. There isn't much sense in
learning a foreign language unless you
plan to use it. We have so so many
hispanic people here that I am glad I have
the ability to speak spanish-although it's
not very good. I don't see anything wrong
with trying to meet someone halfay across
the language barrier. I don't think
America has to be homogenized 2% white
milk in order for us to get along and
function as a cohesive society. I like
mine with a little chocolate. But then,
this is only my
opinion.
i agree 100%
you can't demand that other people be
educated and tolerant if you are unwilling
to go the distance yourself. besides,
half the people i know who are native
english speakers can barely communicate in
the language themselves. typos and
speaking style aside, the spelling and
grammar of a lot of english speakers is
just plain awful. if we want others to
learn our language in addition to their
own we should at least learn it properly
ourselves. myself, i take any opportunity
i can to learn about new languages, so
hearing them doesn't bother me.
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Posted: 11-30-07 14:20pm
sillyakchick
wrote:
I guess I believe that the
different languages people speak in my
country add to its richness and beauty,
just as it did when immigrants were first
settling here. ... I don't think America
has to be homogenized 2% white milk in
order for us to get along and function as
a cohesive society. I like mine with a
little chocolate. But then, this is only
my opinion.
I agree as well.
Sandy_Pants
wrote:
Im sick and tired of going
to Wendys, or likewise, and having to
repeat myself 3 or 4 times just because
the person taking my order cannot
understand my language. I shouldnt have to
*press 1* to hear things in English.. they
should have to *press 1* in order to hear
things in Spanish.
Perhaps these individuals are in the
process of learning English.
Everyone has a story to tell.
I think with all the people out there who
are just harming everyone they can that
for any kind of negative focus to surround
those who have a job and are positively
contributing to society is petty.
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Posted: 11-30-07 17:06pm
kaerbear
wrote:
you can't demand that other
people be educated and tolerant if you are
unwilling to go the distance yourself.
besides, half the people i know who are
native english speakers can barely
communicate in the language themselves.
typos and speaking style aside, the
spelling and grammar of a lot of english
speakers is just plain awful. if we want
others to learn our language in addition
to their own we should at least learn it
properly ourselves. myself, i take any
opportunity i can to learn about new
languages, so hearing them doesn't bother
me.
i sure can demand it. I live here, this is
the language our country was based on.
In order to function in this society,
English is a must.. I speak english
perfectly fine.. i may not be a grammar
queen, but i am quite fluent and have a
large vocabulary.
That being said, I could never go over to
another country without knowing how to
speak their language.. isnt it selfish for
one to assume that a country should
readjust themselves to accomodate me and
adapt my language into their culture just
to make things easier for me? It would be
nothing but irresponsible on my part to
even ASSUME that. Same goes for people who
come here.. aquaint yourself atleast SOME
before coming here.. Exceptions can be
made for the elderly and deaf.. they arent
the ones taking my order at Wendys or
calling and trying to sell me the latest
phone package.
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Posted: 11-30-07 17:38pm
Heh that is why I am too ashamed to visit
Korea, I can't speak it so well. Well
actually, it kind of depends, I speak it
well sometimes (without NYC American
accent), but when I'm around actual
Koreans who just immigrated here and I
don't know them, I get nervous and start
stuttering and speak like I might as well
have never been Korean. I intend to go
there when I've mastered basics
comfortably.
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Posted: 11-30-07 18:44pm
Sandy_Pants
wrote:
i sure can demand it. I live here, this is
the language our country was based on.
Yes, but we stole this country from the
people who were here first. Shouldn't
they demand that we learn their language?
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Posted: 11-30-07 19:04pm
Sandy_Pants
wrote:
kaerbear
wrote:
you can't demand that other
people be educated and tolerant if you are
unwilling to go the distance yourself.
besides, half the people i know who are
native english speakers can barely
communicate in the language themselves.
typos and speaking style aside, the
spelling and grammar of a lot of english
speakers is just plain awful. if we want
others to learn our language in addition
to their own we should at least learn it
properly ourselves. myself, i take any
opportunity i can to learn about new
languages, so hearing them doesn't bother
me.
i sure can demand it. I live here, this is
the language our country was based on.
In order to function in this society,
English is a must.. I speak english
perfectly fine.. i may not be a grammar
queen, but i am quite fluent and have a
large vocabulary.
That being said, I could never go over to
another country without knowing how to
speak their language.. isnt it selfish for
one to assume that a country should
readjust themselves to accomodate me and
adapt my language into their culture just
to make things easier for me? It would be
nothing but irresponsible on my part to
even ASSUME that. Same goes for people who
come here.. aquaint yourself atleast SOME
before coming here.. Exceptions can be
made for the elderly and deaf.. they arent
the ones taking my order at Wendys or
calling and trying to sell me the latest
phone
package.
Here's the easiest solution for
you...don't go to Wendy's.
Americans... :eyeroll:
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Posted: 11-30-07 19:08pm
Birch
wrote:
Sandy_Pants
wrote:
kaerbear
wrote:
you can't demand that other
people be educated and tolerant if you are
unwilling to go the distance yourself.
besides, half the people i know who are
native english speakers can barely
communicate in the language themselves.
typos and speaking style aside, the
spelling and grammar of a lot of english
speakers is just plain awful. if we want
others to learn our language in addition
to their own we should at least learn it
properly ourselves. myself, i take any
opportunity i can to learn about new
languages, so hearing them doesn't bother
me.
i sure can demand it. I live here, this is
the language our country was based on.
In order to function in this society,
English is a must.. I speak english
perfectly fine.. i may not be a grammar
queen, but i am quite fluent and have a
large vocabulary.
That being said, I could never go over to
another country without knowing how to
speak their language.. isnt it selfish for
one to assume that a country should
readjust themselves to accomodate me and
adapt my language into their culture just
to make things easier for me? It would be
nothing but irresponsible on my part to
even ASSUME that. Same goes for people who
come here.. aquaint yourself atleast SOME
before coming here.. Exceptions can be
made for the elderly and deaf.. they arent
the ones taking my order at Wendys or
calling and trying to sell me the latest
phone
package.
Here's the easiest solution for
you...don't go to Wendy's.
Americans...
:eyeroll:
lol
we no longer have a Wendys in this city.
.the closest one is roughly 20 miles from
here, so we dont go there. Ever lol.
I was using it as an example.
Im sure u understand my point.
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Posted: 11-30-07 19:11pm
lol Yes, Everyone in the US should speak
English. Why? I'm not really sure. I
don't buy into the "it's always been like
that" logic for anything.
Melting pot no more.
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Posted: 11-30-07 22:40pm
Birch
wrote:
lol Yes, Everyone in the US
should speak English. Why? I'm not
really sure. I don't buy into the "it's
always been like that" logic for
anything.
Melting pot no
more.
this is a great quote i found, said by
Kaye Groagan:
Quote:
tr>
Hey! . . .you're
either for the American culture or you're
against it. You're either an American in
every true sense of the word or somewhere
in-between — which translates into
troublemakers. And if you're going to be a
United States Senator, House
Representative or President of the United
States — you should put the needs of the
American citizens first. You can't
straddle the fence on these issues, and
expect the majority to keep electing you
to serve
them.
i'll never understand the whole american
thing. if you are a citizen of the united
states you are an american ...period. why
is it the greatest insult americans can
think of to call someone unamerican? if
being intolerant and narrow minded makes
you a great american, then what does that
say for your "culture"? here is another
great quote: "nationalism is an infantile
disease"
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kaerbear
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Posted: 11-30-07 23:11pm
kaerbear
wrote:
i'll never understand the
whole american thing. if you are a
citizen of the united states you are an
american ...period. why is it the
greatest insult americans can think of to
call someone unamerican? if being
intolerant and narrow minded makes you a
great american, then what does that say
for your "culture"? here is another great
quote: "nationalism is an infantile
disease"
i read the article. did she say '"can be
showed"? lol
i just keep thinking that it's kinda like
manifest destiny coming back to bite
america in the ass. countries change.
there was a time when no one spoke english
in america.