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Posted: 12-03-07 14:10pm


Aww it's so... alien. Look, paddles... and a tail... I think that's a primitive eye....

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Posted: 12-03-07 14:32pm


ok if it doesn't look human and just looks like a blob.. or its small and it doesn't talk, walk, eat, or poop yet, does it matter? Does it make it easier to abort.. are you trying to convince a pro-life person that it makes it ok to abort because it does not resemble a baby? Like Birch said she didn't care what it was called.. She still wants the right to abort it.. So it doesn't matter what it looks like to pro-lifers either. We still think it should not be aborted.. Blob or not.. finger or not! feelings or not! cute or ugly! Maybe it makes you feel better to abort because it looks alien. It doesn’t matter to me nor I'm sure with any other pro-lifers..

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Posted: 12-03-07 14:47pm


The point of discussing the differences is to prove how it is not a person, or did you miss that leap of knowledge?

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Posted: 12-03-07 15:04pm


No. but it sort of got off tack with what it looks like compared to "if it is a person” Person = "from what I get” an already establish human being.. so a fetus is not a person.. it s developing into one.. But it is human being. And I know you don't disagree with the human being part. I think you said that.. Heck, there are some pretty scaring looking people that I might consider not in the people category.. people who are all grown up..

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Posted: 12-03-07 16:15pm


Looking like a person is a major pre-requiset for BEING a person, so the look of the embryo/fetus is indeed important. I don't find it scary that all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares.

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Posted: 12-03-07 16:21pm


no it's not!

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Posted: 12-03-07 20:00pm

what's not?

My favorite part of that pregnancy website, what was even funnier than the dancing fetus, was the "embryo being fascinated by it's own fingers and toes", lol!

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This is amazing to see! At only nine weeks, if you happen to have an ultrasound, you may observe your infant fascinated by everything he or she can lay their fingers on (mainly other fingers, toes, ears and nose

They call it an INFANT, though. not even a fetus, which would still be wrong. It's still an embryo here because in the next stage, same website, it says thiis:

"Week Ten

* Baby is now called a fetus in "medical terms"."

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Posted: 12-03-07 20:15pm


My favorite part of that pregnancy website, is they make it all a little "lighter note" and not so Dam melodramatic.. It's called chilling out! I like it and I'm not even pregnant

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Posted: 12-03-07 22:10pm

meblonde01 wrote:

No. but it sort of got off tack with what it looks like compared to "if it is a person” Person = "from what I get” an already establish human being.. so a fetus is not a person.. it s developing into one.. But it is human being. And I know you don't disagree with the human being part. I think you said that..
Heck, there are some pretty scaring looking people that I might consider not in the people category.. people who are all grown up..

meblonde even if fetus be called person, even if the fetus/embryo could feel, see, touch, hear and speak within days it is gestated these ladies will abort regardless. They talk a lot about the lack of sentiency, lack of organs to justify the abortion but even if the fetus feel and look like born person and have all the organs developed they would still abort at their convenience.

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Posted: 12-03-07 22:33pm

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lol!

That's the bottom line for the vast majority of pro-lifers that I've ever encountered. The real reason they want abortion to be illegal is.....they hate women.

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but even if the fetus feel and look like born person and have all the organs developed they would still abort at their convenience

Well. there is a period of time where a fetus looks and feels like a born person, and have all of their organs developed. I wonder why you never hear about any women aborting fetuses at that stage? Oh wait....that's right. BECAUSE nightangel is WRONG.

People who think like you do, NA, justify their desire to punish sexually active women by making women out to be selfish whores who are "inconvenienced" by their full term fetuses".

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Posted: 12-03-07 23:08pm

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That's the bottom line for the vast majority of pro-lifers that I've ever encountered. The real reason they want abortion to be illegal is.....they hate women.

why they hate women? None of the pro-lifers that I have readed here seem like they hate women.

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Posted: 12-03-07 23:18pm

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I have read here women telling about their abortion at all stages including late term. I still remember the one who said here she had a late term one right back when abortion was just legalized..yikes!

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Posted: 12-04-07 07:36am

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Aww it's so... alien. Look, paddles... and a tail... I think that's a primitive eye....

awwwww but it's not! it is growing into a HUMAN BEING! Looks could be deceiving, lets get ride of it.. it's not human looking!!
Once again.. it really deosn't matter what it looks like at what stage .. The fact is.. it is growning into a baby, human being, a person..

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Posted: 12-04-07 08:33am

futureshock wrote:

nightangel73 wrote:

lol!

That's the bottom line for the vast majority of pro-lifers that I've ever encountered. The real reason they want abortion to be illegal is.....they hate women.

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but even if the fetus feel and look like born person and have all the organs developed they would still abort at their convenience

late team abortions happen or there would not be the controversy about them! Not as often as early term abortions but they still take place!

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Posted: 12-04-07 11:36am

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Eiri wrote:

Aww it's so... alien. Look, paddles... and a tail... I think that's a primitive eye....

So are eggs and sperm. You cannot say eggs and sperm don't count because they aren't combined yet, because you could say the same thing about the fertilized egg cell after it splits.

egg and sperm combine to make a fertilized egg.
fertilized egg copies itself and splits in two
now you have two separate cells again, just like the egg and sperm, so which one is the person?

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Posted: 12-04-07 11:54am

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what's not?

She was replying to where I said "Looking like a human is a re-requiset for being a person" and she said "No it's not!". What do you think about that?

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Posted: 12-04-07 11:56am

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late team abortions happen or there would not be the controversy about them! Not as often as early term abortions but they still take place!

Yep. Those darn evil horrid women wanting to save their own lives because their pregnancy will cause them death if they continue. Those despicable less than 1% of all women aborting, damn them for removing dead or deformed fetuses from their uteruses!!! They are horrible horrible people!

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Posted: 12-04-07 11:57am

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futureshock wrote:

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Did you bother to remember WHY?

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Posted: 12-04-07 11:58am

meblonde01 wrote:

futureshock wrote:

nightangel73 wrote:

lol!

That's the bottom line for the vast majority of pro-lifers that I've ever encountered. The real reason they want abortion to be illegal is.....they hate women.

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but even if the fetus feel and look like born person and have all the organs developed they would still abort at their convenience

late team abortions happen or there would not be the controversy about them! Not as often as early term abortions but they still take place!

Unless a woman's life or health is in serious danger, or the fetus is severely deformed, late term abortions are illegal. There are no pro-choice groups fighting to make them legal. There is no controversy other than the fake one made up by lying pro-lifers.

And in the cases where the fetus is not deformed but it is threatening the life or health of the woman, doctors induce delivery of the fetus and do everything in their power to save it's life. These are WANTED fetuses.

The term "abortion" means to stop something before it is completed, like when NASA has to cancel a flight of the Space Shuttle due to bad weather or a computer malfunction, they call it "Aborting the mission." So you can abort a pregnancy, i.e. stop it before it is completed, and still save the fetus, as in the above mentioned cases.

btw, I can see how you'd think late term abortions are happening, and that is because that is what the pictures show that lying pro-lifers carry around during protests at abortion clinics. If they carried real pictures of what's actually aborted, they'd never get any support from the public. Most people aren't going to be emotionally swayed by pictures of less than half inch embryos.

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Here a pic of an embryo that is between 7 and 8 weeks after ovulation.

The actual size of the embryo is about half of the one on this picture.

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Posted: 12-04-07 12:05pm

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meblonde01 wrote:

I personally wouldn't. However legally, yes. Abortion would still be legal.

Do you understand WHY though? If you did then you wouldn't have a problem with abortion.

If the unborn is considered a "person" then abortion becomes 100% a case of SELF DEFENSE. Now, the fetus is actually responsible for his/her actions:
1. Invading the body of another is called rape. So the fetus is raping the mother. Rape is about control, not sex.
2. The fetus is controlling the mother's body via chemicals (s/he's drugging her) to keep her body fooled into thinking the fetus is not a foreign tissue that needs to be expelled.
3. The fetus is in private property without permission; thus it is breaking and entering.
4. It is causing (in many cases) permanent physical changes to the woman's body; thus it is physically assaulting her.
5. Upon birth the fetus could potential cause agonizing pain for hours and physical cuts, bleeding, and possible hemmorrhage/death. Torture and possibile unintended manslaughter.
6. The fetus is using the woman's bodily resources without her permission in her drugged up state; thus it is committing theft.

So here we have the person, the fetus, being convicted of rape, breaking & entering, assault, torture, drugging of another, and theft. That really sounds like someone I want inside of my body. I'm pretty sure the woman would win the case of "I killed him/her in self defense!" in this trial.