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Q: Should Mentally Unstable People Be Forced to Abort?
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Cambion
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Tylanas
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msrosie
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Birch
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No. No one should be forced to abort, parent, or adopt because of what 'might' happen.
This is not personal, just an example, Cambion, but it is known that you have a very strong dislike for children. Do you think that you should be barred from all contact with kids b/c you have may have a predisposition to harm one? Especially a 'waif' screaming in a cart going down the aisles of the store?
I work with mentally ill individuals, and know many who are great parents.
Everyone is capable of inflicting harm upon another.
I think this kind of sentiment perpetuates the myth that all mentally ill individuals are inherently dangerous.
It is not easy to predict who will mistreat their children. Some of the stories you hear are about women who had no history of a mental illness; they just 'snapped' one day.
Care to post a link?
This is not personal, just an example, Cambion, but it is known that you have a very strong dislike for children. Do you think that you should be barred from all contact with kids b/c you have may have a predisposition to harm one? Especially a 'waif' screaming in a cart going down the aisles of the store?
I work with mentally ill individuals, and know many who are great parents.
Everyone is capable of inflicting harm upon another.
I think this kind of sentiment perpetuates the myth that all mentally ill individuals are inherently dangerous.
It is not easy to predict who will mistreat their children. Some of the stories you hear are about women who had no history of a mental illness; they just 'snapped' one day.
| Cambion wrote: |
| CPS is usually too busy investigating false reports to deal with real abuse cases and, by the time they do, the kid is already dead or severely and irreversibly abused. |
Care to post a link?
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Cambion
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| They should not be forced to abort, but they should be forced to give the child up for adoption: This is easy enough to do since proving them an unfit mother is extremely easy if they are that unstable. |
It's always easy to stick a kid in the system, but then that's one more kid growing up without a family, and one more kid rotting in an orphanage or getting passed around between families like a peace pipe. Like there aren't enough kids in the system, so let's put the babies of cokeheads and retards in there too because they were allowed to give birth. Maybe not forced abortion for this crowd, but at least some kind of court-ordered sterilization (like an IUD - something temporary in the event they get clean/get the necessary medication). I know people who will get their kids taken away by default for whatever reasons, like outstanding crimes, inability to afford them and having a record with CPS. And they just keep giving birth, as if saying, "You can take my kids, but you can't stop me from making them - nyah nyah nyah!" I think this kind of behavior should be halted.
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| This is not personal, just an example, Cambion, but it is known that you have a very strong dislike for children. Do you think that you should be barred from all contact with kids b/c you have may have a predisposition to harm one? Especially a 'waif' screaming in a cart going down the aisles of the store? |
I wouldn't mind not seeing kids anymore - I hate the little no namers. I would never harm someone else's mistake, though (although I've been tempted to slap a clueless mother's screaming kid across the head on a few occasions - if the parent isn't going to parent the kid, I wonder if I could do it for her). But God's pweshus widdle miracles are a sight I could live without ever seeing again.
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| Care to post a link? |
With pleasure:
http://familyrightsassociation.com/horror_ stories/index.html
Those are all stories dealing with children wrongfully taken from their families by good old CPS.
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Birch
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Tylanas
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Cambion
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Rodge
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Birch
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| Cambion wrote: | ||||||
Well if you put the pieces together, you will find they provide the information you want. Consider the stories in the link I posted - a whole bunch of families who were investigated and invaded by CPS because of false reports. Also consider all the stories in the news of children being neglected or abused, sometimes to death. There are people who hate their neighbors who will call CPS for no reason other than to cause trouble, and if CPS wasn't occupied investigating the fake cases, maybe kids who are actually in danger would get help more often.
That's why I also said this:
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You mean, if I make assumptions I can work it out that CPS workers are too busy investigating reports of false abuse than to deal with real abuse cases and, by the time they do, the kid is already dead or severely and irreversibly abused.
I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but this seemed like a big generalization based on some incidental anecdotes and I know you are a big proponet of logic so I was interested in a little more substance.
Anyways...
Forcing medical treatment on anyone is against the law (with some exceptions that require extensive judicial interaction) and should continue to be so.
The concept that mentally ill individuals should be restrained from making choices about their life further perpetuates the myth that they are inherently dangerous, and harkens back to the period of time before deinstitutionalization.
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Rodge
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I'm sure Cambion loves you too. 
Semi-related story- Our ice-cream man married a woman who was brain-damaged as a teenager and because of this has the maturity and intelligence of an 8-year-old. They have had four children together (possibly more by now), and every one of them has been taken into care. Despite this, they are continuing to have kids, presumably in the hope that Social Services will change their minds about this one.
Oh, by the way, she's in her late twenties and the last time I saw him he was about 50. Their relationship creeps me out.
Semi-related story- Our ice-cream man married a woman who was brain-damaged as a teenager and because of this has the maturity and intelligence of an 8-year-old. They have had four children together (possibly more by now), and every one of them has been taken into care. Despite this, they are continuing to have kids, presumably in the hope that Social Services will change their minds about this one.
Oh, by the way, she's in her late twenties and the last time I saw him he was about 50. Their relationship creeps me out.
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Becky
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Jincks013
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Cambion
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Birch
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Verizon-y
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Birch
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| futureshock wrote: | ||||
CPS and other agencies like them are under staffed, and the staff they do have are uneducated morons, and have no business having the ability to yank a child from his/her parents. I know a family that had a false report made about them. The fool worker comes out to their mansion to check up on a "neglect" report. She walks in and asks if the child has a bedroom. The mother looks at her with astonishment. The child is an only child, and they have at least 5 bedrooms in their home 12 or more rooms total (not including bathrooms, of which they have I think 4) The mother asked the worker if she was kidding or not. The reply was , something like, "Oh these are the standard questions, blah blah blah.." Luckily that was the last that family heard of the idiots. |
Well, I guess that personal anecdote proves Cambion's claim.
While I know that CPS agencies are understaffed, I wouldn't go as far to say that all the workers are uneducated morons. I would be asking, who are the people making these false reports? And CPS is obligated to follow up on every report. I don't think you'd want it any other way.
Your example is very interesting. I think the sign of a good CPS worker is not assuming that just because a family lives in a big house a child cannot be mistreated. Even rich people abuse their kids.
I'm sure you know that; I'm just saying that in case anyone carries this false belief.
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| Here's a population of people that shouldn't be allowed to have children:
Teens under 16. There are children in this age group getting pregnant ON PURPOSE. They immediately go on welfare and WIC and food stamps and every other thing available. It is sick. Welfare started originally as a safety net for WIDOWS. I have no problem with people going on welfare at certain times in their lives, that's what it's there for. But to have a child on purpose and PLANNING on using the government for financial support is despicable. |
Yes, I agree. I think that we have to get down to the reasons why these kids are having kids at such a young age to fix the process. It makes me sad.
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Emma21
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