Racism, Historical And Otherwise (Page 1)
We're good at violently arguing racism, I think, so here's some more to talk about.
Read this: http://www.projectkooky.com/erika/comics/r acism/racism0.htm Does any of it sound familiar? (In particular, based on arguments this board has witnessed, page 7)
Why are we racist? Is it hardwired into our brains to fear things that look different, or is it how we were brought up? What can we do to stop it?
Read this: http://synecdochic.livejournal.com/167333. html Click the relevant links. Read the comments, if you like.
Do we belittle the horror people suffered through because it was in the past? At what point can we stop 'paying for it'- and what does that mean? Is it possible to acknowledge the past and carry on without forgetting or excusing it? Will stupid white people ever stop whining about how everyone is racist against them?
What do you think?
Read this: http://www.projectkooky.com/erika/comics/r acism/racism0.htm Does any of it sound familiar? (In particular, based on arguments this board has witnessed, page 7)
Why are we racist? Is it hardwired into our brains to fear things that look different, or is it how we were brought up? What can we do to stop it?
Read this: http://synecdochic.livejournal.com/167333. html Click the relevant links. Read the comments, if you like.
Do we belittle the horror people suffered through because it was in the past? At what point can we stop 'paying for it'- and what does that mean? Is it possible to acknowledge the past and carry on without forgetting or excusing it? Will stupid white people ever stop whining about how everyone is racist against them?
What do you think?
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I think a symptom of this whole issue is right here on ehealth; anyone else notice that the prior general debate thread on racism is gone?
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That's odd... I didn't delete it...
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| Eiri wrote: |
| That's odd... I didn't delete it... |
I guess someone above you did!
Did you think you where the only deleter in here.. LOL J/K..
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Who are the stupid white people who are whining about others being racist against them?
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| redeme wrote: |
| "Who are the stupid white people who are whining about others being racist against them?"
are you serious?!? that statement is racist in itself! its just as easy for anyone of ANY RACE to be racist against each other. i could sit around and call all the blacks jungle bunnys while there calling me cracker or whatever the hell floats their boat but whats the point?? if your an arse thats what you should get called who the hell cares what color you are! |
No, I meant really "Who are they?" as in provide an example. And, I guess I have to spell it out for you--I'm not a racist for asking for an example, you dumb s*it.
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I'm sure you've seen them- they didn't get into the college of their choice, but a black person of their acquaintance did. Surely the only reason for this is affirmative action. Why, the system is racist against white people! TO ARMS!
I'd go looking for a specific example, but it's late and I'm tired. I'm pretty sure if you google 'affirmative action' you will find at least one example of what I'm talking about on the first page.
See also: "Why can't I call black people n*ggers? It's what they call each other! That's reverse racism, banning us from saying a word!"
I'd go looking for a specific example, but it's late and I'm tired. I'm pretty sure if you google 'affirmative action' you will find at least one example of what I'm talking about on the first page.
See also: "Why can't I call black people n*ggers? It's what they call each other! That's reverse racism, banning us from saying a word!"
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| Rodge wrote: |
| I'm sure you've seen them- they didn't get into the college of their choice, but a black person of their acquaintance did. Surely the only reason for this is affirmative action. Why, the system is racist against white people! TO ARMS!
I'd go looking for a specific example, but it's late and I'm tired. I'm pretty sure if you google 'affirmative action' you will find at least one example of what I'm talking about on the first page. See also: "Why can't I call black people n*ggers? It's what they call each other! That's reverse racism, banning us from saying a word!" |
Got it. Thanks.
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| Eiri wrote: |
| That's odd... I didn't delete it... |
That's right; you used your unbiased moderator powers to lock it!
| Rodge wrote: |
| I'm sure you've seen them- they didn't get into the college of their choice, but a black person of their acquaintance did. Surely the only reason for this is affirmative action. Why, the system is racist against white people! TO ARMS!
I'd go looking for a specific example, but it's late and I'm tired. I'm pretty sure if you google 'affirmative action' you will find at least one example of what I'm talking about on the first page. |
What's the climate like in the UK in regards to racism and affirmative action?
Since African Americans had such a shoddy deal for years ins the US affirmative action is a way of balancing the scales. Is it the best way? I don't know.
Here are details of a lawsuit against the Univ of MI re: reverse discrimination which some of you may find interesting. http://www.adversity.net/education_2_michu _1.htm
Snippet:
"In a ringing endorsement of the rights of all citizens to be treated equally under the law, a federal district court judge today ruled in the nationally watched case of Gratz v. Bollinger, that there was no need to proceed with a trial and that the record as it stood was sufficient to find the University of Michigan guilty of intentional racial discrimination from 1995 through 1998.
The case had been brought by the Center for Individual Rights in October 1997 on behalf of Jennifer Gratz and Patrick Hammacher. Gratz and Hammacher had applied to the University of Michigan's undergraduate College of Literature, Sciences, and the Arts ("LSA") in 1995 and 1997, respectively, and were denied admission, they alleged, because of the University's illegal use of racial preferences to further the number of certain preferred racial minorities at the University.
In a 50-page ruling released today, Judge Patrick J. Duggan agreed with the plaintiffs' arguments and found that the evidence they submitted was sufficient to rule in their favor without the need of a trial and granted plaintiffs' motion for summary judgment with respect to the LSA's admissions programs in existence from 1995 through 1998."
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| See also: "Why can't I call black people edited? It's what they call each other! That's reverse racism, banning us from saying a word!" |
I don't understand?
You aren't banned from using this word. You can say it all you want.
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| Birch wrote: |
| What's the climate like in the UK in regards to racism and affirmative action?
Since African Americans had such a shoddy deal for years ins the US affirmative action is a way of balancing the scales. Is it the best way? I don't know. |
We don't really have affirmative action, as far as I know. It seems like a system that could really be abused, but it can't be removed until there's a better one in place.
The UK... well, I don't know about all of it, but where I am (North-East England) people tend to be racist. We have a pretty big Asian (Middle-Eastern to you guys?) population, a pretty small black population and nobody trusts each other.
Christ, where I live is HUGELY racist. My family is hugely racist. I don't know how it's taken me so long to get that. I'm gonna have to talk to my mum, because she is the one who's teaching my brother to use 'Jew' and 'Jewish' as insults.
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| I don't understand?
You aren't banned from using this word. You can say it all you want. |
Yes, but you'll be beaten up for it (and rightly so).
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http://www.stirfryseminars.com/pages/color
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Check this video out if you have the means to do so. It is very enlightening. I think there is still a subversive culture of racism in the US.
Take the Model Minority, or Token Minority Syndrome: This is the phenomena that occurs when university groups, large companies, etc want to form "focus groups" or study groups to determine the efficacy of this or to find a solution for X problem affecting employee productivity etc etc. They form the committee and then add their token minorities. They add one or two non white appearing professionals who look like, act like, and fit in the best with thir main stream white mentality in the group. These people are not going to be the ones celebrating Kwanzaa or chinese new year. They will have a nice house on a nice street with a christmas tree in the window an dan SUV in the garage. They tried their best to stay under the radar to hope that they would be accepted or if you like the word, assimilated into the main stream culture in order to avoid racist remarks, ridicule, etc etc.
Ever heard this one: "I don't really like black people, except Jim (the only black person the individual actually knows) he's alright"
Or this: "I work with this colored gal and she's really funny"
Or this "Oh, that's just jimmy. He can't really see because his eyes are to narrow! (makes an imitation of a chinese person)
All of these things were said by people I am related to-in the last couple of years. It is sad. These people would completely deny that they are racist, but their actions speak quite loudly.
Another really interesting experiment done in the 1960's was in an Iowa school a teacher told her students one day that the kids with blue eyes were better, smarter, nicer, better looking, etc etc than the kids with brown eyes and then they videotaped the way the kids interacted with each other for a day. It was astounding how terrible the kids with brown eyes were treated. The next day she changed the rules and the kids with brown eyes were superior. They were downright cruel to the oppressors of the previous day. You can watch it here http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh ows/divided/etc/view.html
So in answer to your question, racism is alive and well in the US. It is built mostly I think on the fear of what we don't understand. It isn't hard to turn it into hatred, distrust, anger, and finally violence.
Check this video out if you have the means to do so. It is very enlightening. I think there is still a subversive culture of racism in the US.
Take the Model Minority, or Token Minority Syndrome: This is the phenomena that occurs when university groups, large companies, etc want to form "focus groups" or study groups to determine the efficacy of this or to find a solution for X problem affecting employee productivity etc etc. They form the committee and then add their token minorities. They add one or two non white appearing professionals who look like, act like, and fit in the best with thir main stream white mentality in the group. These people are not going to be the ones celebrating Kwanzaa or chinese new year. They will have a nice house on a nice street with a christmas tree in the window an dan SUV in the garage. They tried their best to stay under the radar to hope that they would be accepted or if you like the word, assimilated into the main stream culture in order to avoid racist remarks, ridicule, etc etc.
Ever heard this one: "I don't really like black people, except Jim (the only black person the individual actually knows) he's alright"
Or this: "I work with this colored gal and she's really funny"
Or this "Oh, that's just jimmy. He can't really see because his eyes are to narrow! (makes an imitation of a chinese person)
All of these things were said by people I am related to-in the last couple of years. It is sad. These people would completely deny that they are racist, but their actions speak quite loudly.
Another really interesting experiment done in the 1960's was in an Iowa school a teacher told her students one day that the kids with blue eyes were better, smarter, nicer, better looking, etc etc than the kids with brown eyes and then they videotaped the way the kids interacted with each other for a day. It was astounding how terrible the kids with brown eyes were treated. The next day she changed the rules and the kids with brown eyes were superior. They were downright cruel to the oppressors of the previous day. You can watch it here http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh ows/divided/etc/view.html
So in answer to your question, racism is alive and well in the US. It is built mostly I think on the fear of what we don't understand. It isn't hard to turn it into hatred, distrust, anger, and finally violence.
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i think racisim is wrong becuz it happens to everyone oi kmean think about we have no white channel and if we had a white histoy month its racist and whites are called whites but black wants to be called afro amer then i want to be called kdfjslcbnkl; eurpoean american i mean its only write but blacks still get crap to like dread scott or sumthing o nthe ravens got called boi by the ref at apts racvnen game...so got to put it all in perspective
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| SmartyShirt wrote: |
| i think racisim is wrong becuz it happens to everyone oi kmean think about we have no white channel and if we had a white histoy month its racist and whites are called whites but black wants to be called afro amer then i want to be called kdfjslcbnkl; eurpoean american i mean its only write but blacks still get crap to like dread scott or sumthing o nthe ravens got called boi by the ref at apts racvnen game...so got to put it all in perspective |
why do you type like that?
Are you drunk?
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no i type quick
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I dont get the whole "race" issue, I mean, we all one race... Human.
Then I dont get immagration laws either, its not my land, its not your land. I dont believe that I should be prevented from living in China because I am not oriental or that a oriental person should be prevented from living in the UK because he is not european. But maybe that is just becuase I am british and believe that gives me the right to go where I want because of our imperial attitude or maybe its my Catholic (universal) beliefs, I dunno.
Then I dont get immagration laws either, its not my land, its not your land. I dont believe that I should be prevented from living in China because I am not oriental or that a oriental person should be prevented from living in the UK because he is not european. But maybe that is just becuase I am british and believe that gives me the right to go where I want because of our imperial attitude or maybe its my Catholic (universal) beliefs, I dunno.
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I think you're just human, because I feel the same way too and I'm neither Catholic or British.
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Hey, I'm Bristish and I don't have an 'Imperial Attitude'.
I think everyone should be allowed to go where they want. But that's a bit unrealistic in today's world.
I think everyone should be allowed to go where they want. But that's a bit unrealistic in today's world.
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"I think everyone should be allowed to go where they want. But that's a bit unrealistic in today's world"
I dont know why, we have plenty means of transport.
"I think you're just human, because I feel the same way too and I'm neither Catholic or British. "
Perhaps
I dont know why, we have plenty means of transport.
"I think you're just human, because I feel the same way too and I'm neither Catholic or British. "
Perhaps
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Did y'all know that the group that has profited the most from affirmative action is white women?
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