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Posted: 11-06-07 13:17pm

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I would not employ people who would sell the pill/condoms

What's your problem with condoms?? Shocked


Because I think Guest is catholic and they do not believe in any form of birth control.(but many still use it) I try not to get into the habit (no pun intended ) of criticizing. Another religion, but I really could never understand the catholic religion.
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Posted: 11-06-07 13:20pm

lol @ habit! I agree with everything you just said, meblonde. Also, I have read a statistic (I will look for it) from a Bishop who stated that 96% of Catholic couples use bc.
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Posted: 11-06-07 13:24pm

Well, that's changed (slow as molasses, but changed) throughout history- I mean, there was a time when the Church wouldn't have allowed NFP because of the loss of sperm. At least they've gotten over that.

I'm still gonna root for the cause of American Catholics gaining representation in Rome and loosening some of this stuff....
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Posted: 11-06-07 13:33pm

The Boston Globe
Bishops stress sexual issues and warn on Communion

By Michael Paulson, Globe Staff | November 15, 2006

BALTIMORE -- The Catholic bishops of the United States overwhelmingly approved new documents yesterday, exhorting Catholics to refrain from using artificial birth control, describing gay sex as immoral, and saying that anyone who disagrees with key church teachings should not take Communion.

The statements mark the first time the bishops have attempted to explain and offer guidance on longstanding church teachings, in light of recent controversies.

The bishops said current events, including the legalization of same-sex marriage in Massachusetts and the 2004 presidential candidacy of Senator John F. Kerry, a Catholic Democrat from Massachusetts who supports abortion rights, prompted them to speak out. They acknowledged that most married Catholics -- 96 percent, according to their own estimate -- use birth control, and the bishops said they recognize that the church's teachings on homosexuality are contested in American society.

"To be a Catholic is a challenge, and to be a Catholic requires a certain choice, and these are the choices that are consistent with the Gospel of Jesus," the chairman of the bishops' doctrine committee, Bishop Arthur J. Serratelli of Paterson, N.J., said during a press conference.

Archbishop Joseph F. Naumann of Kansas City, Kan., also speaking at the press conference, said: "As teachers, we have an obligation to teach, not just about the things people agree with, but the difficult things as well. . . . We have a responsibility to try and help our people understand things that, because of the culture being hostile, aren't easily accessible to them."

The documents approved yesterday drew criticism from liberal Catholic organizations. Call to Action, a reform organization, said "the bishops are going against everything for which Communion stands" by emphasizing the reasons people should not seek Communion.

New Ways Ministry, an organization focused on outreach to gay Catholics, called the bishops' guidelines "out of touch" and said "this document tries to turn back the clock three decades." And Catholics for a Free Choice, an organization that supports abortion rights, said that " if the bishops continue making pronouncements such as those issued this week in Baltimore, they will find themselves increasingly isolated."

The Communion document was prompted by the 2004 controversy among the bishops over Kerry. During the presidential campaign, a handful of bishops said Kerry should be denied Communion for opposing a key church teaching; most bishops, including Cardinal Sean P. O'Malley of Boston, said Communion was a matter for the conscience of the worshiper, not for the judgment of the priest or bishop.

The Communion document endorses the less confrontational approach taken by O'Malley and other bishops, declaring that Catholics who "knowingly and obstinately . . . reject the defined doctrines of the church" should not seek to receive Communion, but it does not advise any action by priests or bishops against politicians who oppose church doctrine and yet seek to receive Communion. The document also declares that people guilty of mortal sin should not seek to receive Communion without first going to confession; among the disqualifying behaviors, according to the bishops, is "engaging in sexual activity outside the bonds of a valid marriage" and "failing to worship God by missing Mass on Sundays . . . without a serious reason."

The document on contraception, which the bishops plan to publish as a pamphlet for distribution to couples preparing for marriage, is titled "Married Love and the Gift of Life." "Suppressing fertility by using contraception denies part of the inherent meaning of married sexuality and does harm to the couple's unity," the document declares.

The document on gays, titled "Ministry to Persons with a Homosexual Inclination: Guidelines for Pastoral Care," is intended to provide criteria for the church's ministries to gays and lesbians.

Those outreach programs, which exist in multiple parishes and dioceses including Boston, are often the target of criticism by conservatives. In 1999, Pope John Paul II barred a US priest, the Rev. Robert Nugent, and nun, Sister Jeannine Gramick, from "any pastoral work involving homosexual persons," declaring that the two had refused to communicate the church's teaching about "the intrinsic evil of homosexual acts and the objective disorder of the homosexual inclination."

The bishops were encouraged to produce the document approved yesterday by the Vatican agency then headed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who is now Pope Benedict XVI.

The document says outreach programs must be clear about the teachings on homosexuality. It says that such gays should be welcome in churches, but that "the church has a right to deny roles of service to those whose behavior violates her teaching" because "such service might be an occasion of scandal and appear as condoning immoral lifestyles."

The document also says there should be no hatred of or discrimination against gays. But it reiterates the church's teaching that "homosexual acts are immoral" and that "the homosexual inclination is objectively disordered." It declares that the church opposes same-sex marriage and cannot bless civil unions and says that the church does not support adoption by gay couples.

"Because homosexual acts cannot fulfill the natural end of human sexuality, they are never morally acceptable," Serratelli said.

O'Malley said the church's opposition to the use of artificial contraception and to same-sex marriage is linked by the church's belief that heterosexual marriage is divinely ordained because of its role in procreation.

"Our teachings are all interconnected, and we're hoping as people reflect on what marriage and sexuality mean for us, it will help people understand why we're so against a redefinition of marriage," he said.

Also yesterday, the bishops elected O'Malley the next chairman of the committee on world missions.

Michael Paulson can be reached at mpaulson@ globe.com.
© Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company
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Posted: 11-06-07 13:49pm

I wonder if he included NFP in that stat. Either way, it's large enough to change that teaching, imho.
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Posted: 11-06-07 14:04pm

No, NFP was not included in that stat.
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Posted: 11-06-07 14:12pm

wow. I thought that was the catholic birth control of choice. Guess I was wrong.

Not that I blame them given it's low effectiveness.
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Posted: 11-06-07 14:12pm

All the catholics I know use birth control, now that I think about it.
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Posted: 11-06-07 14:16pm

The reason NFP is not included in that stat is because it was a disparaging stat, and they would never lump NFP into the same category (NFP=family planning, not birth control) as condoms, the pill, IUDs, etc., etc.
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Posted: 11-06-07 14:21pm

why is it that people think that the opinion of 99% of the catholic faithful could change the teaching of the Church, I dont know how many times I have to say it, the teachings of the church on matters of faith and morals can not be changed by anyone....it can not be done.


Actually NFP is better than the previous form of Birth Control i.e "the rythm method" because sperm is not wasted.
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Posted: 11-06-07 14:24pm

How is sperm not wasted in NFP but it was in the rhythm method?
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Posted: 11-06-07 14:31pm

because with NFP the sperm can although almost impossible can still fetalise the egg if it is gods will but with the rythm method the sperm was ejeculated outside of the vagina.
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Posted: 11-06-07 14:33pm

Guest - surely it is better that individuals practice safe sex rather than abortion?

If people aren't using protection it's inevitable that unwanted pregnancies will happen and therefore abortions (heck I was using birth control and managed to get pregnant) - isn't it therefore better to have the initial protection where sperm is 'wasted' as opposed to abortion?

I understand people have different beliefs but shouldn't everyone (pro-choice and pro-life) be concerned about trying to prevent unwanted pregnancy through educating people about birth control (abstinence only education is not a viable option)?
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Posted: 11-06-07 14:36pm

Hey, guys, can we sing a song now? I think you know which one.

~Every sperm is sacred,
every sperm is great,
if a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.~


I always thought that part of the film was an exaggeration.
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Posted: 11-06-07 14:45pm

Rodge wrote:
Hey, guys, can we sing a song now? I think you know which one.

~Every sperm is sacred,
every sperm is great,
if a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.~


I always thought that part of the film was an exaggeration.

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Big Monty Python fan here Laughing

So male masturbation is out then right??!
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Posted: 11-06-07 15:26pm

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because with NFP the sperm can although almost impossible can still fetalise the egg if it is gods will but with the rythm method the sperm was ejeculated outside of the vagina.


I think you need to look up the rythm method. There is no sperm ejaculated outside of the vagina.
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Posted: 11-06-07 15:28pm

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Guest - surely it is better that individuals practice safe sex rather than abortion?

If people aren't using protection it's inevitable that unwanted pregnancies will happen and therefore abortions (heck I was using birth control and managed to get pregnant) - isn't it therefore better to have the initial protection where sperm is 'wasted' as opposed to abortion?

I understand people have different beliefs but shouldn't everyone (pro-choice and pro-life) be concerned about trying to prevent unwanted pregnancy through educating people about birth control (abstinence only education is not a viable option)?


The Catholic Church does not want you to have sex unless you want or will accept the children it produces. Period.
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Posted: 11-06-07 15:34pm

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Lucy.... would you sell your child to a pedophile?

would you like to be forced to sell your child to a pedophile?

Non-sequiter. Paedophelia is not legal.
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Posted: 11-06-07 15:55pm

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why is it that people think that the opinion of 99% of the catholic faithful could change the teaching of the Church, I dont know how many times I have to say it, the teachings of the church on matters of faith and morals can not be changed by anyone....it can not be done.



I would bet dollars to donuts the church's position would change real frickin' fast if 99% of the members stopped contributing money to it (the church).
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Posted: 11-06-07 16:53pm

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why is it that people think that the opinion of 99% of the catholic faithful could change the teaching of the Church,



...because it has in the past?


I could go into a tirade about how morals are just a by-product of culture and funding, but I decided to keep it simple.
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