the True Right to Life Movement

An egg and sperm ARE THE ZYGOTE! I can't believe you cannot see this.

The zygote is only "developing" if it is in a woman's womb, being developed by her body. And the whole process does not start with the zygote! It begins with the formation of the egg and sperm.

All of the DNA that carry the information to make YOU exist WAY before the sperm and egg meet.

The formation of the egg and sperm are the beginning of the future person.

Why?

because on their own they can not make a child.. it takes both!

meblonde, a zygote cannot become a zygote without the egg and sperm. The zygote cannot become an embryo without either a petri dish or a woman's womb and many complex biochemical processes. An embryo cannot become a fetus without a woman's womb and many complex biochemical processes. A fetus cannot become a baby without a woman's womb and many complex biochemical processes.

Btw, any cell in our bodies, like a skin cell, can make an entire person. In stem cell nuclear transfer, scientists can take a human skin cell and grow it into an embryo. That embryo could be implanted in a woman and grown until it it born. This has already been done and is being done in mammals. Dolly the sheep was cloned from her mother's breast cell.
(That's why she was named Dolly, after Dolly Parton, lol!)

SO, according to you, every single cell in your body is a baby, right? Every time you wash your face and skin cells slough off, are you murdering babies? I guess so.

No what I am saying is.. a baby is not forming until the egg and sperm meet!

Seriously, how can you say that? A baby begins forming when the DNA and everything else it takes to create that baby forms, which, interestingly enough, you could actually trace back that exact child's DNA tens of thousands of years.

However, when the child's mother is herself an embryo, is when that future child's DNA gets put into the egg that will become that child. Environmental factors also influence the development of a child, both while the egg is a germ cell and even right up until it's born. This is why most "identical" twins are not identical.



Most Identical Twins Are not Identical



The use of the adjective identical rather than monozygotic leads to misunderstandings about the biology of monozygotic twinning. Most monozygotic twin pairs are not identical; there may be major discordance for birth weight, genetic disease, and congenital anomalies. These indicate that postzygotic events may lead to the formation of two or more cell clones in the inner cell mass and early embryo that actually stimulate the monozygotic twinning event. There is also evidence that there may be unequal allocation of numbers of cells to the monozygotic twins; this may have widespread implications for the cascade of developmental events during embryogenesis, formation, and vascularization of the placenta..




Monozygous twins share a common genotype. However, most monozygotic twin pairs are not identical; several types of phenotypic discordance may be observed.

Additional reasons why a future person is not "complete" when the egg and sperm are created, and even after they join:

The egg and sperm combine to form one cell, which copies itself and becomes two, separate, identical cells. Which one of those cells contain "the soul"? Those two become 4, then 8, then 16, and I am sure you can figure out the rest. Would that make 16 souls?

You could take these 16 cells and make 16 babies. They do this in both IVF and stem cell research, to get more embryos and stem cells, respectively.

Where do you think the material comes from that becomes each new cell?

Can you make a baby without all of the other cells that come after the single celled zygote? NO, you cannot.

Can you make a baby without a sperm and egg? Technically yes but that is an entirely different subject. For the purposes of the question here, no you cannot.

Here is what you and many other pro-life people do not realize you are doing:

You are choosing one step out of many and arbitrarily deciding that THAT is the one
step that changes everything, and turns human tissue into people.

Step 1. Life begins millions of years ago.
Step 2. Human life begins hundreds of thousands of years ago.
Step 3. The DNA that will create the future child is formed thousands of years ago.
Step 4. The embryo of the grandmother of the future child, the child's mother, creates her germline which contains the egg which will become the future child. The DNA of that child is put into that egg while the grandmother is pregnant with the child's mother.
Step 5. The child's father's germline forms in a similar but not exact way.
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Up to this point, environmental factors, internal factors, etc., can effect the future child, because he or she already exists. In fact, what the grandmother eats while she is pregnant with the child's mother influences the egg that will become the child.

Step 6. The germlines of the future child's parents mature.
Step 7. Sexual intercourse or IVF bring the egg and sperm together.
Step 8. The fertilized egg copies itself and splits in two identical cells.
Step 9. The mother's body creates each cell through a combination of biochemical, hormonal, and nutritional processes. The food she eats becomes the actual raw material from which she forms the body of the future child.
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What the future child's mother ingests, food, alcohol, tobacco, effects every single cell her body manufactures, since it is the raw material which makes the cells.

You are what your mother eats,

Thus a mother's diet may have an enduring influence on succeeding generations, independent of later changes in diet. [T]his study demonstrates that a specific mammalian gene can be subjected to germ-line epigenetic change.

Someone's acting rather dense o.O

What I have said over and over. And is fact. is it takes the sperm and the egg to make a child! Period! it can't happen without!! Period! what ever it is you are going around and around about does not change the fact that with out an egg or sperm. A CHILD IS NOT CREATED! PERIOD! that is not playing dumb.. That is FACT!!! It is you that is trying to play dumb to what I mean!

I think Futureshock means that if the egg and sperm together are so important to you, then why are they less important when apart? After all, each egg and each sperm represent a potential pregnancy. I'm pretty sure that's why the Catholic Church frowns on masturbation, for example.