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Posted: 11-12-07 14:02pm
From what I've heard, it's far from
painless. I guess it depends on which type
you get though.
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Jincks013
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Posted: 11-14-07 07:33am
Jude-Love
wrote:
I think the idea that the
majority of children rot in the adoption
system is a little misguided. Nearly all
of the children who remain in the system
are not children who were put there as
babies, but children who were removed from
homes where the conditions were
inadequate. White babies are probably
more in demand than non-white babies, but
regardless-people want to adopt babies.
They don't want children.
IMHO, whether or not adoption is good or
bad depends on the mother, the father, and
their situation. Same with abortion. I
can think of plenty of situations where
each one would be a bad idea in some
respect.
Why don't you post sources and proof of
this supposition then. I"ve researched it
several times across several debate boards
so I know the facts but you are perfectly
welcome to provide evidence supporting
your supposition.
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unicarrie
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Posts: 26 Location: East Midlands, UK
Posted: 11-14-07 07:42am
"I think the idea that the majority of
children rot in the adoption system is a
little misguided."
I don't know if that was for me but hey!
I'll reply anywho :p
I did not mean to imply that all children
rot in the adoption system, what I was
trying to say was that here in the UK we
cannot 'pick' families for a baby before
she is born, you do just have to hand her
over to the adoption services and hope
that before too long she'll be adopted
into a loving home. You have no guarantee
that your baby will be adopted, and no
guarantee that the family who do adopt her
will be the fantastic parents you hoped
for.
Also, there are so many children, who as
you said, did not enter the system as
babies, so many children with special
needs, with a different skin colour, all
of whom are turned down in favour of the
most common preference
"white/newborn/non-disabled/preferably
female". I would rather not provide yet
another white newborn baby when there are
so many born children fighting for a
loving home already.
My best friend has an adopted little
brother, her parents went out of their way
to provide a home for a child with special
needs, a beautiful 4 year old little boy,
but they are the rare ones. They weren't
waiting for a baby, a white baby, with no
disabilities, as most prospective adoptive
parents are. If I could:
1) Guarantee my baby a home before she was
born
2) Have more faith in the adoptive system
providing homes for
black/hispanic/chinese/non-white/disabled/
over 2 year old children then I would
consider adoption more seriously.
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 11-14-07 12:44pm
From what I've learned recently (all of
this is in a couple of recent threads,
with sources, etc.) babies are the most
common aged child to be taken into foster
care, and the younger they ar the longer
they languish there. The problem is that
mothers do not relinquish their parental
rights until the children get older.
9 out of 10 teen moms bring their child
home instead of putting them up for
adoption. Since a large number of these
parents cannot care for the children, they
end up in state care ANYWAY, only everyone
suffers a lot more, especially the
children, this way.
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Cambion
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Posted: 11-16-07 02:17am
That's because 9 out of 10 teen moms are
1diots who want someone to raise their
snookums for free until they're at a more
bearable age, and then Junior comes back
home to the mom who didn't want him for
seventeen years. One of my former
classmates is doing this - she had a waif,
is giving it up for adoption so she can
get her degree for some bizarre
non-existant field of work (like dolphin
hugging or some crap) and then when Juniro
is about two days shy of turning 18,
she'll ask for him back.
Teen mothers don't think enough into their
situations (usually) to realize they can't
actually care for the children they
create...just check out some of the
trainwrecks over on eHealth's own
knocked-up teen forum. It's too bad girls
couldn't be required by law to get IUDs
put in before puberty hits to prevent all
these stupid teen girls from spawning and
thinking it'll all work out, and thus
adding more children to the system when
Snookums gets taken away because Mommy was
too busy spending quality time with her
acid to notice Junior hasn't eaten for
four days.
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Reptar
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Posted: 11-16-07 14:56pm
Why didn't I choose adoption?
Because I'm anemic and diabetic to begin
with. I'm 40 hours away from any family.
I'm living in a province in which I have
no health coverage. My parents just lost
both of their jobs so I can't expect money
to come out of them. Because of this, I
can't afford the proper nutrition, the
doctors appointments, the exercise and all
of the other things a pregnant women
requires. I'm living on campus in a room
the size of most people's bathrooms and
I'm trying to attend university. I was on
birth control pills when I got pregnant
and therefore feel I took the necessary
precautions not to get pregnant. My
boyfriend is taking pills that have a very
high risk of birth defect or miscarriage.
I don't care how many times you meet the
family that's about to adopt your child,
you probably don't know them. The neighbor
of a pedophile will most likely never even
suspect him, and I'm not going to take
that chance. Not every adoption ends up
happily. And I was afraid if I carried the
baby to term that I wouldn't want to give
it up to some family I barely knew. I'm 18
and I know I can't afford a child and I
won't have time for one until I graduate
from university and am actually able to
give my own child a good life.
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 11-21-07 22:35pm
Reptor, what you did was the most
unselfish and caring thing out of all of
your choices, in my opinion.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 11-21-07 23:21pm
Reptar
wrote:
Why didn't I choose
adoption?
Because I'm anemic and diabetic to begin
with. I'm 40 hours away from any family.
I'm living in a province in which I have
no health coverage. My parents just lost
both of their jobs so I can't expect money
to come out of them. Because of this, I
can't afford the proper nutrition, the
doctors appointments, the exercise and all
of the other things a pregnant women
requires. I'm living on campus in a room
the size of most people's bathrooms and
I'm trying to attend university. I was on
birth control pills when I got pregnant
and therefore feel I took the necessary
precautions not to get pregnant. My
boyfriend is taking pills that have a very
high risk of birth defect or miscarriage.
I don't care how many times you meet the
family that's about to adopt your child,
you probably don't know them. The neighbor
of a pedophile will most likely never even
suspect him, and I'm not going to take
that chance. Not every adoption ends up
happily. And I was afraid if I carried the
baby to term that I wouldn't want to give
it up to some family I barely knew. I'm 18
and I know I can't afford a child and I
won't have time for one until I graduate
from university and am actually able to
give my own child a good
life.
When I was 18 haven sex did not crossed my
mind. I knew I was not ready for pregnancy
so I decided to have sex later. No
abortion, no pregnancy scares, just had
fun with guys without intercourse. Worked
out well and this is the way I plan to
teach a future daugther of mine...
I think the pill works best if you are
prepared for pregnancy. I never take the
pill at same hour, particulary in the
honeymoon with such a big change in time I
was about 3 days without taking them one
time and sure enough I did not got
pregnant lol! And I already missed the
first pill this month hehe.
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 11-22-07 01:39am
Why are you even on the pill?
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ladylee70
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Posted: 11-22-07 02:22am
futureshock
wrote:
From what I've learned
recently (all of this is in a couple of
recent threads, with sources, etc.) babies
are the most common aged child to be taken
into foster care, and the younger they ar
the longer they languish there. The
problem is that mothers do not relinquish
their parental rights until the children
get older.
9 out of 10 teen moms bring their child
home instead of putting them up for
adoption. Since a large number of these
parents cannot care for the children, they
end up in state care ANYWAY, only everyone
suffers a lot more, especially the
children, this
way.
A lot of times the courts have to step in
and legally take away parental rights.
It's such a sad process. We were fostering
a little boy, age 10, who was in and out
of foster care since he was born due to
mother's drug abuse. She would do just
enough of what the courts asked and then
get her child back. When they found out
she wasn't doing the required classes,
they tried to hunt her down. She moved
frequently. The poor child ended up with
reactive attachment disorder due to not
properly attaching to a caregiver between
his vital birth to three years.
When children are finally legally placed
for adoption, they are older. The kids
that are up for adoption between birth to
three, are usually ones who have severe
medical and/or emotional needs unless you
are fostering a child and that child just
happens to become available. That is
usually not the case. Those poor children
with severe medical and/or
social-emotional concerns are in foster
care for such a long time because it's
hard to find parents able or willing to
step forward and care for them.
We were going to adopt the 10 year old but
his RAD was just too severe and it ended
up being dangerous for my lil' two year
old. We tried so hard. We may consider
doing it again when both children are
considerably older. There is such a need
for people to adopt older children.
I don't know if I can post on here but
look at adoptuskids.com website. Each
state also has kids posted who are legally
or will become legally available.
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Jincks013
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Posted: 11-22-07 08:39am
Jincks013
wrote:
Jude-Love
wrote:
I think the idea that the
majority of children rot in the adoption
system is a little misguided. Nearly all
of the children who remain in the system
are not children who were put there as
babies, but children who were removed from
homes where the conditions were
inadequate. White babies are probably
more in demand than non-white babies, but
regardless-people want to adopt babies.
They don't want children.
IMHO, whether or not adoption is good or
bad depends on the mother, the father, and
their situation. Same with abortion. I
can think of plenty of situations where
each one would be a bad idea in some
respect.
Why don't you post sources and proof of
this supposition then. I"ve researched it
several times across several debate boards
so I know the facts but you are perfectly
welcome to provide evidence supporting
your
supposition.
I'm still waiting Jude...
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nightangel73
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Posted: 11-22-07 09:09am
futureshock
wrote:
Why are you even on the
pill?
Well because my husband wants to wait til
march because he will be finishing his
masters next year but he will be done by
the end of the year..
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-22-07 11:02am
If God wanted you to wait, he would keep
you from getting pregnant without birth
control. You're clearly defying his will!
Because of recent posts, I must verify
that the above statement is 100% sarcasm.
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 11-22-07 11:05am
ladylee70
wrote:
futureshock
wrote:
From what I've learned
recently (all of this is in a couple of
recent threads, with sources, etc.) babies
are the most common aged child to be taken
into foster care, and the younger they ar
the longer they languish there. The
problem is that mothers do not relinquish
their parental rights until the children
get older.
9 out of 10 teen moms bring their child
home instead of putting them up for
adoption. Since a large number of these
parents cannot care for the children, they
end up in state care ANYWAY, only everyone
suffers a lot more, especially the
children, this
way.
A lot of times the courts have to step in
and legally take away parental rights.
It's such a sad process. We were fostering
a little boy, age 10, who was in and out
of foster care since he was born due to
mother's drug abuse. She would do just
enough of what the courts asked and then
get her child back. When they found out
she wasn't doing the required classes,
they tried to hunt her down. She moved
frequently. The poor child ended up with
reactive attachment disorder due to not
properly attaching to a caregiver between
his vital birth to three years.
When children are finally legally placed
for adoption, they are older. The kids
that are up for adoption between birth to
three, are usually ones who have severe
medical and/or emotional needs unless you
are fostering a child and that child just
happens to become available. That is
usually not the case. Those poor children
with severe medical and/or
social-emotional concerns are in foster
care for such a long time because it's
hard to find parents able or willing to
step forward and care for them.
We were going to adopt the 10 year old but
his RAD was just too severe and it ended
up being dangerous for my lil' two year
old. We tried so hard. We may consider
doing it again when both children are
considerably older. There is such a need
for people to adopt older children.
I don't know if I can post on here but
look at adoptuskids.com website. Each
state also has kids posted who are legally
or will become legally
available.
Thank-you for that information.
Are the courts successful in many cases
trying to sever parental rights? I'm glad
to know there is at least a process. Why
do these mothers keep trying to get their
kids back only to neglect them again?
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 11-22-07 11:10am
nightangel73
wrote:
futureshock
wrote:
Why are you even on the
pill?
Well because my husband wants to wait til
march because he will be finishing his
masters next year but he will be done by
the end of the
year..
So, it sounds to me like your husband is
under the impression that you will not be
trying to get pregnant until next March.
You, on the other hand, have decided that
that is too long to wait, and it's not
necessary to wait that long because he'll
be finished with his master's sooner than
he first said, so you will be trying to
get pregnant now. Amirite?
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nightangel73
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Posted: 11-22-07 21:50pm
futureshock
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
futureshock
wrote:
Why are you even on the
pill?
Well because my husband wants to wait til
march because he will be finishing his
masters next year but he will be done by
the end of the
year..
So, it sounds to me like your husband is
under the impression that you will not be
trying to get pregnant until next March.
You, on the other hand, have decided that
that is too long to wait, and it's not
necessary to wait that long because he'll
be finished with his master's sooner than
he first said, so you will be trying to
get pregnant now.
Amirite?
I will be waiting until march. When I miss
a pill in a day I tell him so he is aware.
Begining to try in march will just be nice
because assuming I did got pregnant then
by the time he is done with the school the
baby would be just born. We both are very
much looking forward having babies and we
need to hurry up do to our ages. I would
like to have 2 children and I will be 35
next year..But really you just don't know
what will happen.. I don't know how long
it would take to actually get pregnant,
neither I know if I can have children,
neither I know if my husband can have
children too. You can only know than when
you begin trying, no pills at all,
nothing. Hope that clears out
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 11-22-07 22:22pm
You are almost the exact same age I was.
You should go off the pill now and use
some other form of bc 'till March.
(JMHO).
My friends told me all sorts of dumb ways
to ttc. The first month I waited too long
in my cycle. Ideally you want the sperm
to be there ahead of the egg.
For example:
If you ovulate on day 14, have sex the 12,
and 13th. I waited until day 14, which
was too late. The next month I did it in
time and BINGO!
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Jincks013
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Posted: 11-23-07 07:04am
Your 35 and just starting, or planning,
your family NA? I am 38 and my eldest
daughter is just now in college.. *Feels
old now*...
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 11-23-07 09:36am
Jincks, my dad was 54 when I was born,
lol!!!! I was 33 when I got married and
34 when my daughter was born. Think how
old nightangel and I will be when we're
chasing our teens around: 50 something. I
feel old, lol!