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Georgia59

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Posted: 11-12-07 14:02pm

From what I've heard, it's far from painless. I guess it depends on which type you get though.
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Posted: 11-14-07 07:33am

Jude-Love wrote:
I think the idea that the majority of children rot in the adoption system is a little misguided. Nearly all of the children who remain in the system are not children who were put there as babies, but children who were removed from homes where the conditions were inadequate. White babies are probably more in demand than non-white babies, but regardless-people want to adopt babies. They don't want children.

IMHO, whether or not adoption is good or bad depends on the mother, the father, and their situation. Same with abortion. I can think of plenty of situations where each one would be a bad idea in some respect.


Why don't you post sources and proof of this supposition then. I"ve researched it several times across several debate boards so I know the facts but you are perfectly welcome to provide evidence supporting your supposition.
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Posted: 11-14-07 07:42am

"I think the idea that the majority of children rot in the adoption system is a little misguided."

I don't know if that was for me but hey! I'll reply anywho :p

I did not mean to imply that all children rot in the adoption system, what I was trying to say was that here in the UK we cannot 'pick' families for a baby before she is born, you do just have to hand her over to the adoption services and hope that before too long she'll be adopted into a loving home. You have no guarantee that your baby will be adopted, and no guarantee that the family who do adopt her will be the fantastic parents you hoped for.

Also, there are so many children, who as you said, did not enter the system as babies, so many children with special needs, with a different skin colour, all of whom are turned down in favour of the most common preference "white/newborn/non-disabled/preferably female". I would rather not provide yet another white newborn baby when there are so many born children fighting for a loving home already.

My best friend has an adopted little brother, her parents went out of their way to provide a home for a child with special needs, a beautiful 4 year old little boy, but they are the rare ones. They weren't waiting for a baby, a white baby, with no disabilities, as most prospective adoptive parents are. If I could:

1) Guarantee my baby a home before she was born
2) Have more faith in the adoptive system providing homes for black/hispanic/chinese/non-white/disabled/ over 2 year old children then I would consider adoption more seriously.
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Posted: 11-14-07 12:44pm

From what I've learned recently (all of this is in a couple of recent threads, with sources, etc.) babies are the most common aged child to be taken into foster care, and the younger they ar the longer they languish there. The problem is that mothers do not relinquish their parental rights until the children get older.

9 out of 10 teen moms bring their child home instead of putting them up for adoption. Since a large number of these parents cannot care for the children, they end up in state care ANYWAY, only everyone suffers a lot more, especially the children, this way.
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Posted: 11-16-07 02:17am

That's because 9 out of 10 teen moms are 1diots who want someone to raise their snookums for free until they're at a more bearable age, and then Junior comes back home to the mom who didn't want him for seventeen years. One of my former classmates is doing this - she had a waif, is giving it up for adoption so she can get her degree for some bizarre non-existant field of work (like dolphin hugging or some crap) and then when Juniro is about two days shy of turning 18, she'll ask for him back.

Teen mothers don't think enough into their situations (usually) to realize they can't actually care for the children they create...just check out some of the trainwrecks over on eHealth's own knocked-up teen forum. It's too bad girls couldn't be required by law to get IUDs put in before puberty hits to prevent all these stupid teen girls from spawning and thinking it'll all work out, and thus adding more children to the system when Snookums gets taken away because Mommy was too busy spending quality time with her acid to notice Junior hasn't eaten for four days.
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Posted: 11-16-07 14:56pm

Why didn't I choose adoption?

Because I'm anemic and diabetic to begin with. I'm 40 hours away from any family. I'm living in a province in which I have no health coverage. My parents just lost both of their jobs so I can't expect money to come out of them. Because of this, I can't afford the proper nutrition, the doctors appointments, the exercise and all of the other things a pregnant women requires. I'm living on campus in a room the size of most people's bathrooms and I'm trying to attend university. I was on birth control pills when I got pregnant and therefore feel I took the necessary precautions not to get pregnant. My boyfriend is taking pills that have a very high risk of birth defect or miscarriage. I don't care how many times you meet the family that's about to adopt your child, you probably don't know them. The neighbor of a pedophile will most likely never even suspect him, and I'm not going to take that chance. Not every adoption ends up happily. And I was afraid if I carried the baby to term that I wouldn't want to give it up to some family I barely knew. I'm 18 and I know I can't afford a child and I won't have time for one until I graduate from university and am actually able to give my own child a good life.
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Posted: 11-21-07 22:35pm

Reptor, what you did was the most unselfish and caring thing out of all of your choices, in my opinion.
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Posted: 11-21-07 23:21pm

Reptar wrote:
Why didn't I choose adoption?

Because I'm anemic and diabetic to begin with. I'm 40 hours away from any family. I'm living in a province in which I have no health coverage. My parents just lost both of their jobs so I can't expect money to come out of them. Because of this, I can't afford the proper nutrition, the doctors appointments, the exercise and all of the other things a pregnant women requires. I'm living on campus in a room the size of most people's bathrooms and I'm trying to attend university. I was on birth control pills when I got pregnant and therefore feel I took the necessary precautions not to get pregnant. My boyfriend is taking pills that have a very high risk of birth defect or miscarriage. I don't care how many times you meet the family that's about to adopt your child, you probably don't know them. The neighbor of a pedophile will most likely never even suspect him, and I'm not going to take that chance. Not every adoption ends up happily. And I was afraid if I carried the baby to term that I wouldn't want to give it up to some family I barely knew. I'm 18 and I know I can't afford a child and I won't have time for one until I graduate from university and am actually able to give my own child a good life.


When I was 18 haven sex did not crossed my mind. I knew I was not ready for pregnancy so I decided to have sex later. No abortion, no pregnancy scares, just had fun with guys without intercourse. Worked out well and this is the way I plan to teach a future daugther of mine...

I think the pill works best if you are prepared for pregnancy. I never take the pill at same hour, particulary in the honeymoon with such a big change in time I was about 3 days without taking them one time and sure enough I did not got pregnant lol! And I already missed the first pill this month hehe.
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Posted: 11-22-07 01:39am

Why are you even on the pill?
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Posted: 11-22-07 02:22am

futureshock wrote:
From what I've learned recently (all of this is in a couple of recent threads, with sources, etc.) babies are the most common aged child to be taken into foster care, and the younger they ar the longer they languish there. The problem is that mothers do not relinquish their parental rights until the children get older.

9 out of 10 teen moms bring their child home instead of putting them up for adoption. Since a large number of these parents cannot care for the children, they end up in state care ANYWAY, only everyone suffers a lot more, especially the children, this way.



A lot of times the courts have to step in and legally take away parental rights. It's such a sad process. We were fostering a little boy, age 10, who was in and out of foster care since he was born due to mother's drug abuse. She would do just enough of what the courts asked and then get her child back. When they found out she wasn't doing the required classes, they tried to hunt her down. She moved frequently. The poor child ended up with reactive attachment disorder due to not properly attaching to a caregiver between his vital birth to three years.

When children are finally legally placed for adoption, they are older. The kids that are up for adoption between birth to three, are usually ones who have severe medical and/or emotional needs unless you are fostering a child and that child just happens to become available. That is usually not the case. Those poor children with severe medical and/or social-emotional concerns are in foster care for such a long time because it's hard to find parents able or willing to step forward and care for them.

We were going to adopt the 10 year old but his RAD was just too severe and it ended up being dangerous for my lil' two year old. We tried so hard. We may consider doing it again when both children are considerably older. There is such a need for people to adopt older children.

I don't know if I can post on here but look at adoptuskids.com website. Each state also has kids posted who are legally or will become legally available.
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Posted: 11-22-07 08:39am

Jincks013 wrote:
Jude-Love wrote:
I think the idea that the majority of children rot in the adoption system is a little misguided. Nearly all of the children who remain in the system are not children who were put there as babies, but children who were removed from homes where the conditions were inadequate. White babies are probably more in demand than non-white babies, but regardless-people want to adopt babies. They don't want children.

IMHO, whether or not adoption is good or bad depends on the mother, the father, and their situation. Same with abortion. I can think of plenty of situations where each one would be a bad idea in some respect.


Why don't you post sources and proof of this supposition then. I"ve researched it several times across several debate boards so I know the facts but you are perfectly welcome to provide evidence supporting your supposition.


I'm still waiting Jude...
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Posted: 11-22-07 09:09am

futureshock wrote:
Why are you even on the pill?



Well because my husband wants to wait til march because he will be finishing his masters next year but he will be done by the end of the year..
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Posted: 11-22-07 11:02am

If God wanted you to wait, he would keep you from getting pregnant without birth control. You're clearly defying his will!

Because of recent posts, I must verify that the above statement is 100% sarcasm.
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Posted: 11-22-07 11:05am

ladylee70 wrote:
futureshock wrote:
From what I've learned recently (all of this is in a couple of recent threads, with sources, etc.) babies are the most common aged child to be taken into foster care, and the younger they ar the longer they languish there. The problem is that mothers do not relinquish their parental rights until the children get older.

9 out of 10 teen moms bring their child home instead of putting them up for adoption. Since a large number of these parents cannot care for the children, they end up in state care ANYWAY, only everyone suffers a lot more, especially the children, this way.



A lot of times the courts have to step in and legally take away parental rights. It's such a sad process. We were fostering a little boy, age 10, who was in and out of foster care since he was born due to mother's drug abuse. She would do just enough of what the courts asked and then get her child back. When they found out she wasn't doing the required classes, they tried to hunt her down. She moved frequently. The poor child ended up with reactive attachment disorder due to not properly attaching to a caregiver between his vital birth to three years.

When children are finally legally placed for adoption, they are older. The kids that are up for adoption between birth to three, are usually ones who have severe medical and/or emotional needs unless you are fostering a child and that child just happens to become available. That is usually not the case. Those poor children with severe medical and/or social-emotional concerns are in foster care for such a long time because it's hard to find parents able or willing to step forward and care for them.

We were going to adopt the 10 year old but his RAD was just too severe and it ended up being dangerous for my lil' two year old. We tried so hard. We may consider doing it again when both children are considerably older. There is such a need for people to adopt older children.

I don't know if I can post on here but look at adoptuskids.com website. Each state also has kids posted who are legally or will become legally available.


Thank-you for that information.

Are the courts successful in many cases trying to sever parental rights? I'm glad to know there is at least a process. Why do these mothers keep trying to get their kids back only to neglect them again?
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Posted: 11-22-07 11:10am

nightangel73 wrote:
futureshock wrote:
Why are you even on the pill?



Well because my husband wants to wait til march because he will be finishing his masters next year but he will be done by the end of the year..


So, it sounds to me like your husband is under the impression that you will not be trying to get pregnant until next March. You, on the other hand, have decided that that is too long to wait, and it's not necessary to wait that long because he'll be finished with his master's sooner than he first said, so you will be trying to get pregnant now. Amirite?
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Posted: 11-22-07 21:50pm

futureshock wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
futureshock wrote:
Why are you even on the pill?



Well because my husband wants to wait til march because he will be finishing his masters next year but he will be done by the end of the year..


So, it sounds to me like your husband is under the impression that you will not be trying to get pregnant until next March. You, on the other hand, have decided that that is too long to wait, and it's not necessary to wait that long because he'll be finished with his master's sooner than he first said, so you will be trying to get pregnant now. Amirite?



I will be waiting until march. When I miss a pill in a day I tell him so he is aware. Begining to try in march will just be nice because assuming I did got pregnant then by the time he is done with the school the baby would be just born. We both are very much looking forward having babies and we need to hurry up do to our ages. I would like to have 2 children and I will be 35 next year..But really you just don't know what will happen.. I don't know how long it would take to actually get pregnant, neither I know if I can have children, neither I know if my husband can have children too. You can only know than when you begin trying, no pills at all, nothing. Hope that clears out Smile
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Posted: 11-22-07 22:22pm

You are almost the exact same age I was. You should go off the pill now and use some other form of bc 'till March. (JMHO).

My friends told me all sorts of dumb ways to ttc. The first month I waited too long in my cycle. Ideally you want the sperm to be there ahead of the egg.
For example:

If you ovulate on day 14, have sex the 12, and 13th. I waited until day 14, which was too late. The next month I did it in time and BINGO!
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Posted: 11-23-07 07:04am

Your 35 and just starting, or planning, your family NA? I am 38 and my eldest daughter is just now in college.. *Feels old now*...
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Posted: 11-23-07 09:36am

Jincks, my dad was 54 when I was born, lol!!!! I was 33 when I got married and 34 when my daughter was born. Think how old nightangel and I will be when we're chasing our teens around: 50 something. I feel old, lol!
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Posted: 11-24-07 14:32pm

rofl!!!!!!!!!!!
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