There are four types of pro-abortion
people reading this
1. A person who considers lack of abortion
an infringement on female rights
2. A person who had an abortion
3. A person (man or woman) who has never
had an abortion
4. The type of person who is not
listed….
1) For the first type conception can only
occur three ways… willingly, an
“accident” or rape. In the first two
a woman chooses to have sex accepting the
risk she may in fact conceive a child.
Therefore she is responsible just as much
as the male is. If she doesn’t wish to
get pregnant… agree to use birth
control. However no form is 100%
protective therefore the risk is still
there. Both of them are responsible.
Please realize that life is not fair and
woman carry children men don’t. Nothing
in life is fair. She chose to take the
risk of conceiving a child as did the
male. It is a sad fact of life in many
unwanted pregnancies men leave their
partner abandoned. However, the woman must
realize she had more to lose in the risk
she undertook. Abortion is a way of
running from this so called “mistake”
and she runs just like male partners do.
She chooses not to take responsibility for
her own risk and hides in the comfort of
killing her own future child. I commend
those strong amazing woman who didn’t
run but rather took responsibility (just
as men should). This doesn’t mean she
has to keep this child but rather give it
life; just as the woman who conceived had
her own chance at life. There are millions
of loving families wanting children
through adoption.
The minority of woman who conceive under
rape deserve respect and understanding.
(Personally I believe men who rape should
receive the death penalty… that’s
right, not all pro-lifers protect all life
but rather innocent ones) She above all
should be given the help and kindness she
deserves. It is necessary to realize that
her child did nothing wrong; it was the
man that raped her that should be
punished. Again… why kill an innocent?
2) A woman who had an abortion either
supports it or regrets it. I hope those
women who have to deal with the nightmares
or regrets of killing what would have been
her child find comfort in overcoming their
circumstances. For those who support it…
“Denial is the foremost of all human
reactions”. By admitting she killed her
child she has to overcome what she did was
wrong. By supporting abortion she is so
hopelessly consumed with herself, she is
blind to the fact she killed what would be
her child.
3) Those that haven’t usually are
influenced by others in their opinion and
have never had to deal with this
situation. Instead of receiving any biased
opinion you should observe both sides more
carefully then decide.
4) Both Pro-choice and Pro-life people
realize that the only separation between a
zygote and a baby is time. Thus, when an
abortion takes place the death of a future
child occurs. If you support such action
you support the death of a child’s
future. Why not adopt?
Those of you skipping to the bottom of
this and not reading have no need to
respond. Also those of you who have
resorted to name calling should realize
you are resorting to a childish response
and therefore place yourself at the
pinnacle of ignorance.
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Mabel
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Posted: 11-02-07 15:43pm
2. Am I right in thinking you are saying
if a woman isn't repentent for getting an
abortion she is in denial? I am neither.
4. Every month a 'future child' dies in my
womb when an egg goes unfertilized. With
men, I think of the millions of children
they don't have every time sperm is
wasted. (I don't think that is your
intent of this part of your post, but that
is how it reads.)
How many children have you adopted?
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16 father
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Posted: 11-02-07 16:06pm
You are correct in that that is not what I
meant... Some woman don't regret having an
abortion. however do you acknowledge you
killed what could have been your child?
You are incorrect in your belief that a
"zygote(fertilized egg)" is the same as
one that isn't ;Nor does sperm have the
potential to become a human being.
I can't adopt because I'm underage and I
have a child of my own. I'm not stupid as
many have called me by keeping he or she
(with my girlfriend), and will be on my
way to become a lawyer very soon. However,
many thousands of sound families wish to
adopt. I myself am an adopted child and
happy my birth mother gave me a chance at
life.
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 11-02-07 16:22pm
When are you marrying the mother of your
child?
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16 father
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Posted: 11-02-07 16:24pm
We are more than happily engaged right
now!
Please answer the question though.... and
aren't you one of the people who responded
rudely to one of my other posts, oh well.
Also everyone please read the topic post
before posting a response. Thanks.
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xphile_1002
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Re: Why Not Adopt? Posted: 11-02-07 16:39pm
16 father
wrote:
There are four types of
pro-abortion people reading
this.
Most prochoicers are NOT proabortion. If
we were just proabortion, we'd have all
aborted all of our children (I personally
have 2) and we'd be forcing all women to
abort.
16 father
wrote:
3) Those that haven’t
usually are influenced by others in their
opinion and have never had to deal with
this situation. Instead of receiving any
biased opinion you should observe both
sides more carefully then
decide.
I HAVE had to deal with this situation.
Even if I hadn't, though, I would still be
prochoice, because it is NOT up to me
whether or not a woman aborts.
That's why I'm prochoice, because I don't
have the right to tell another woman what
to do with her own body.
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Rodge
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Posted: 11-02-07 16:44pm
It's not like there's a shortage of
children waiting to be adopted. If someone
is that desperate to adopt a child they
can take one of the kids rotting in the
system.
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16 father
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Posted: 11-02-07 16:48pm
wrong, you have no experience with child
services as I do (family). The waiting
list to adopt in the us is outrageous and
takes years
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Rodge
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Posted: 11-02-07 16:51pm
That's not because there aren't enough
children.
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Mabel
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Posted: 11-02-07 17:08pm
16 father
wrote:
wrong, you have no
experience with child services as I do
(family). The waiting list to adopt in the
us is outrageous and takes
years
Wrong. Only babies are on that long list,
my friend. What about the OLDER children.
They are ready to be adopted too.
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Mabel
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Re: Why Not Adopt? Posted: 11-02-07 17:16pm
16 father
wrote:
There are four types of
pro-abortion people reading this
1. A person who considers lack of abortion
an infringement on female rights
2. A person who had an abortion
3. A person (man or woman) who has never
had an abortion
4. The type of person who is not
listed….
1) For the first type conception can only
occur three ways… willingly, an
“accident” or rape. In the first two
a woman chooses to have sex accepting the
risk she may in fact conceive a child.
Therefore she is responsible just as much
as the male is. If she doesn’t wish to
get pregnant… agree to use birth
control. However no form is 100%
protective therefore the risk is still
there. Both of them are responsible.
Please realize that life is not fair and
woman carry children men don’t. Nothing
in life is fair. She chose to take the
risk of conceiving a child as did the
male. It is a sad fact of life in many
unwanted pregnancies men leave their
partner abandoned. However, the woman must
realize she had more to lose in the risk
she undertook. Abortion is a way of
running from this so called “mistake”
and she runs just like male partners do.
She chooses not to take responsibility for
her own risk and hides in the comfort of
killing her own future child. I commend
those strong amazing woman who didn’t
run but rather took responsibility (just
as men should). This doesn’t mean she
has to keep this child but rather give it
life; just as the woman who conceived had
her own chance at life. There are millions
of loving families wanting children
through adoption.
The minority of woman who conceive under
rape deserve respect and understanding.
(Personally I believe men who rape should
receive the death penalty… that’s
right, not all pro-lifers protect all life
but rather innocent ones) She above all
should be given the help and kindness she
deserves. It is necessary to realize that
her child did nothing wrong; it was the
man that raped her that should be
punished. Again… why kill an innocent?
2) A woman who had an abortion either
supports it or regrets it. I hope those
women who have to deal with the nightmares
or regrets of killing what would have been
her child find comfort in overcoming their
circumstances. For those who support it…
“Denial is the foremost of all human
reactions”. By admitting she killed her
child she has to overcome what she did was
wrong. By supporting abortion she is so
hopelessly consumed with herself, she is
blind to the fact she killed what would be
her child.
3) Those that haven’t usually are
influenced by others in their opinion and
have never had to deal with this
situation. Instead of receiving any biased
opinion you should observe both sides more
carefully then decide.
4) Both Pro-choice and Pro-life people
realize that the only separation between a
zygote and a baby is time. Thus, when an
abortion takes place the death of a future
child occurs. If you support such action
you support the death of a child’s
future. Why not adopt?
Those of you skipping to the bottom of
this and not reading have no need to
respond. Also those of you who have
resorted to name calling should realize
you are resorting to a childish response
and therefore place yourself at the
pinnacle of
ignorance.
I'm not sure where the idea that anyone
'hides in the comfort of killing her own
future child'. Where on earth would you
get that idea?
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Mabel
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Posted: 11-02-07 17:20pm
16 father
wrote:
You are correct in that that
is not what I meant... Some woman don't
regret having an abortion. however do you
acknowledge you killed what could have
been your child?
You are incorrect in your belief that a
"zygote(fertilized egg)" is the same as
one that isn't ;Nor does sperm have the
potential to become a human being.
I can't adopt because I'm underage and I
have a child of my own. I'm not stupid as
many have called me by keeping he or she
(with my girlfriend), and will be on my
way to become a lawyer very soon. However,
many thousands of sound families wish to
adopt. I myself am an adopted child and
happy my birth mother gave me a chance at
life.
Actually, you do not yet have a child of
your own as per your own posts. Your
girlfriend is currently pregnant and due
at the end of January/early February. So
at this point, you cannot even tell us
what it is like to be a parent.
Are you 100% financially supporting your
girlfriend and this baby? How are you
doing that while attending high school? Is
your girlfriend continuing high school? Do
you live together? How will both of you
manage college with a baby? Why aren't you
putting this child up for adoption?
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 11-02-07 17:59pm
Since when does pro-choice = pro-abortion?
Pro-choice is exactly that... pro-CHOICE.
We believe a woman should have the right
to make her own CHOICE: whether that be
birth, adoption, or abortion.
I'm pro-choice and I don't plan on ever
aborting. You should re-think your labels.
We could just as easily call you
anti-choice or anti-woman. Doesn't feel
very nice, does it?
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lucy315
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Re: Why Not Adopt? Posted: 11-02-07 18:33pm
16 father
wrote:
The minority of woman who conceive under
rape deserve respect and understanding.
(Personally I believe men who rape should
receive the death penalty… that’s
right, not all pro-lifers protect all life
but rather innocent ones) She above all
should be given the help and kindness she
deserves. It is necessary to realize that
her child did nothing wrong; it was the
man that raped her that should be
punished. Again… why kill an
innocent?
Until you have been raped, or have known
someone personally who has, your opinions
mean nothing. When a woman is raped, the
LAST thing on her mind is whether or not
she is going to carry the child of the
monster that hurt her. And, yes, I know
someone personally who was not only raped,
but kidnapped, tied up, and left for dead.
Thank god she escaped with her life. It
was almost 12 years ago, and she is still
dealing with what happened to her. Now
the mother of a 2 year old little girl,
she can barely leave her house for fear of
being "grabbed" as she puts it. The worst
part is that it was a security guard that
did this to her. Someone who was supposed
to keep people safe. She trusts no one,
and it's very sad. Being pregnant for 9
months with a rapist's baby is a constant
reminder, everyday, of what happened. Not
to mention she was only 17, and in still
in high school. By the way, the dude that
raped her only got 7 years in prison! It
makes me so angry.
Quote:
A woman who had
an abortion either supports it or regrets
it. I hope those women who have to deal
with the nightmares or regrets of killing
what would have been her child find
comfort in overcoming their circumstances.
For those who support it… “Denial is
the foremost of all human reactions”. By
admitting she killed her child she has to
overcome what she did was wrong. By
supporting abortion she is so hopelessly
consumed with herself, she is blind to the
fact she killed what would be her
child.
I have been in this situation, and have NO
REGRETS at all. Call me what you will,
but I was nothing but happy when it was
over. A woman who aborts is not in denial
about what she has done. We all know that
we could be mothers right now. We all
know that the embryo growing inside us
could have become a baby. It's the way
that you look at the situation that makes
you assume we are in denial. I didn't see
it as doing anything wrong, and you do.
It's simply different opinions.
Quote:
Both Pro-choice
and Pro-life people realize that the only
separation between a zygote and a baby is
time. Thus, when an abortion takes place
the death of a future child occurs. If you
support such action you support the death
of a child’s future. Why not adopt?
The answer for me is simple. I didn't
want to be pregnant. If I wanted to be
pregnant, I would have given the child up
for adoption.
Quote:
Those of you
skipping to the bottom of this and not
reading have no need to respond. Also
those of you who have resorted to name
calling should realize you are resorting
to a childish response and therefore place
yourself at the pinnacle of
ignorance.
I have read you whole post, and did not
resort to any name calling or childish
responses. I'm fairly new here, but will
do my best to answer your questions with
respect.
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Posted: 11-02-07 19:48pm
I was so happy after my abortion I was
skipping for joy.
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lucy315
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Posted: 11-02-07 20:13pm
futureshock
wrote:
I was so happy after my
abortion I was skipping for joy.
I was so relieved after mine. We actually
went to a diner and had breakfast. I was
starving from not eating for 17 hours!
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young Girl
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Posted: 11-02-07 21:25pm
okay
point blank
the woman has a CHOICE
to be able to have a child
to be able to keep that child
or to be able to terminate her pregnancy
who the heck is anyone to sit back and say
"oh no your bad if you get an A word youre
going to hell"
think about it like this
if EVERY woman in the world carried and
UNWANTED pregnancy then gave the baby up
for adoption, orphanages would be like
animal shelters
over crowded
tons of kids piling in each day
no where to call home
and just like dogs and puppies and cats
and kittens, they would have to start
euthinizing these children becausee there
are NOT ebough families who are wanting to
adopt
there are more unwanted kids sitting in
group homes and orphanages or foster
homes.being bounced around from place to
place without families
how fair is that?
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Posted: 11-02-07 22:59pm
WB embarrassed (16 father).. how can we
run you out again? You just might want to
change how you post if you intend to hide
your actual identity though.
But I'll play your game.. again..
Why should my body be used for the
commercialization of the fetal industry
commonly called adoption? Why is my value
only in what comes out of my uterus?
Lets play the question game with the
hypotheticals shall we?
What will you be doing to ensure that our
mythical babies have healthy, nurturing
complete lives?
Or do you wash your hands and the point of
birth and say its her responsibility?
How do you demonstraite you care at all
about our mythical child's life beyond the
birth canal? By cutting welfare? Reducing
food stamps? Stopping daycare assistance?
It seems to me the people who screech the
loudest about "save the babiez!!1!1!! are
the same ones preaching getting rid of
entitlements. Why is that?
Ok.. so you've forced the gestation .. now
what will you do?
No? you don't want to answer actual
question? Ok.. we'll play a new game..
lets view some actual material about your
anti-choice pro-enslavement people push
for there 16 father..
She was bleeding
… That’s why I took her to the
emergency room … but the doctors said
that she didn’t have anything. … Then
she felt worse [with fever and
hemorrhaging] and on Tuesday they admitted
her. They put her on an IV and her blood
pressure was low. … She said: ‘Mami,
they are not treating me.’ … They
didn’t treat her at all, nothing. …
When her husband came to bring her food,
he heard screams. … They took her to
[another hospital in Managua], but it was
too late. She died of cardiac arrest. …
She was all purple, unrecognizable. It was
like it wasn’t my daughter.”
-- Angela Morales [real name withheld],
mother of a 22-year-old woman who died
from pregnancy-related hemorrhaging at
public hospital in Managua in November
2006, only days after the blanket ban on
abortion was implemented. From comments
made by the doctors at the time, Morales
believes her daughter was left untreated
because doctors were reluctant to treat a
pregnancy-related emergency for fear that
they might be accused of providing
therapeutic abortions.
“Here [at this hospital] we have had
women who have died. … For example,
[name withheld] came here and had an
ultrasound. It was clear that she needed a
therapeutic abortion. No one wanted to
carry out the abortion because the fetus
was still alive. The woman was here two
days without treatment till she expulsed
the fetus on her own. And by then she was
already in septic shock and died five days
later. That was in March 2007.”
-- Dr. Francisco Del Palacio, Deputy
Educational Director at Aleman Hospital,
Managua.
This is completely unacceptable!! These
are not cattle; they are women!! Oh right,
catholic country, women don't matter their
lives are insignificant.
Oh PL.. lets see your justification for
the slow torture and deaths of these
women..c'mon step up to the plate tell me
how this is 'prolife' at all?
source
Obviously not everyone deserves a chance
to live to you 16..womens lives don't seem
to matter to your type at all
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Posted: 11-02-07 23:06pm
I'm not done yet. First we saw the bill proposed
to pay women a measley $500.00 not to
abort. This placed a $500.00 value on the
life of a fetus (Gratz PFL, I never knew a
fetus had a set material value). Now it
costs rougly around $10,000.00 to have a
baby these days, now the fetus has
improved markedly in value; next we have
the adoption fees:
EXPLANATION OF
ADOPTION FEES
Permanent Family Resource Center has three
adoption programs:
Waiting Children Program
Domestic Infant/Toddler Program
International Program
WAITING CHILDREN PROGRAM
Low or No Cost Services: Permanent Family
Resource Center works very hard to provide
low cost or no cost adoption services for
families willing to adopt children from
the foster care system. The Waiting
Children Program placed children from the
foster care system into permanent, loving
adoptive families. The agency works with
social workers from all over the United
States to best match the children with
families. State governments contract with
us and pay us to do adoption services for
children for whom they have financial
responsibility. To qualify for the Waiting
Children program at a reduced cost you
must be willing to adopt a child who falls
into at least two of the following
categories:
1. children age ten or older
2. sibling groups of two or more (at least
one school age or older)
3. medically complex children
4. children with moderate or severe mental
disability
5. children with a history of sexual abuse
6. boys of school age or older
7. children of African descent
8. Native American children of any age IF
one adoptive parent is an enrolled member
of a tribe
Grants and other available funds:
Permanent Family Resource Center will help
you find funding for your adoption through
other resources, loans and grants. You may
qualify for a grant to pay the entire cost
of the home study through Adopt America
Network. These grants are for families who
agree to adopt Waiting Children. You must
agree to work with Permanent Family
Resource Center prior to applying for the
grant.
Non-recurring Adoption Expenses: Fees for
the home study for the Waiting Children
Program most likely will be reimbursed
through the non-recurring adoption expense
program offered through the State Adoption
Assistance Program at the time of adoption
finalization. Maximums apply, typically up
to $2,000 for all adoption related
expenses, such as the home study, travel
and legal fees.
Federal Tax Credit: Families who adopt
children with special needs are eligible
for a $10,500 per child tax credit from
the federal government. This tax credit is
not a tax deduction and you do not need to
save receipts or document expenses. You
can spread it over a five year period and
it reduces your tax burden by $10,500!
It’s a great benefit!
Item:
Amount:
When due:
Training
$100 per person
One week before training
Application
$100
At time of application
Home study fee (1st half)
$250
At time of first visit
Home study fee (2nd half)
$250
Before approval of home study
ESTIMATED TOTAL:
$800
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EXPLANATION OF ADOPTION FEES, Cont. Page 2
of 2
C:\Adoption\FORMS-PROCESS
FOLDERS\Homestudy\Explanation of Adoption
Fees.doc
Created: 2/2007
DOMESTIC INFANT/TODDLER PROGRAM
There is not a government agency that
provides funding for people to adopt
healthy infants. Permanent Family Resource
Center provides counseling and legal
services to birth parents considering
adoption. The agency works with many birth
parents who, after several visits, choose
not to place their child for adoption. We
may counsel 10 or more families, including
grandparents and birth fathers, for every
one infant that gets placed for adoption.
Financial Assistance: There are some
grants and loans available for people who
want to adopt an infant. You worker will
help you locate assistance. The agency
tries to make the payments as easy as
possible for families by spreading it out
over time. However, we cannot provide
loans or credit for services.
Item:
Amount:
When due:
Training
$100 per person
One week before training
Application
$100
At time of application
Home Assessment fee (1st half)
$1,550
At the time of first visit
Home Assessment fee (2nd half)
$1,550
Before approval of home study
Placement fee (1st half)
$2,200
At time of placement of infant
Placement fee (2nd half)
$2,200
At court finalization
ESTIMATED TOTAL:
$7,800
These are agency fees, and do not include
legal fees, medical costs and court filing
fees. Many families chose not to use an
attorney. Permanent Family Resource Center
helps birth mothers obtain free medical
care. Infants are typically covered by the
adoptive parents’ insurance at the time
of birth. Adoptive families rarely incur
medical expenses.
INTERNATIONAL HOME STUDIES
Permanent Family Resource Center partners
with other agencies to provide
International Adoption Services. Permanent
Family Resource Center performs the
required home study and post placement
services, if required. Our partner
agencies provide the referral (which
means, telling you about your child) an
the overseas work, such as travel
arrangements, visas, etc. Different
countries and different agencies have
different costs. You would be wise to
investigate several agencies. The
following costs are for Permanent Family
Resource Center services only.
Tax credit: You may qualify for a federal
tax credit if your child has a documented
special need at the time of placement.
Item:
Amount:
When due:
Training
$100 per person
One week before training
Application
$100
At time of application
Home study fee (1st half)
$1,550
At the time of first visit
Home study fee (2nd half)
$1,550
Before approval of home study
Post-Placement fee (1st half)
$900
Before placement of child
Post-Placement fee (2nd half)
$900
At court finalization
ESTIMATED TOTAL:
$5,200
The above fees are detailed on the
DISCLOSURE STATEMENT & FEE AGREEMENT,
which you will be asked to sign at the
time you apply to the agency. Do NOT sign
this form now. Your assigned social worker
will discuss it with you. Don’t let the
TOTAL COST column scare you away from
adoption. We are here to help add another
limb to your family tree! source
Additionally, there is an ADOPTION
MARKET--a whole cottage industry of people
that make money off of adoptions.
I am not saying that adopting a child is
always a bad thing--buying something is
not always a bad thing--but I am saying
that it is a CONSUMER concept and it is
much closer to commodification of human
beings than legal abortion is. I am also
hoping to point out that, in many (not
all) cases, there is a level of
exploitation and coersion that goes into
adoptions that disturbs me.
The use of the term commidity seems to be
injecting a set of connotations that I
don't necessarily associate--that is,
there is the suggestion that
commodification is always already bad.
That may or may not be the case. My point
is simply that all sorts of things are
commodified and if we frame abortion in
terms of the negative connotations
associated with commodification, it is
fair to associate adoption (which is
offered often as an alternative to
abortion) in the same terms.
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daffodil67
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Nov 2007 Posts: 54 Location: , midsouth, usa (think presidential pair)
Ok, the Title of the Thread... Posted: 11-02-07 23:47pm
What happened to the question of
adoption--personally, it is one of my
favorites, and I'll tell you why.
All you people who think we should change
the laws of the country based on the
religious beliefs of one group (I know, I
know, it doesn't coem from your RELIGIOUS
belief, it's just RIGHT), putting women
and children at risk in myriad ways
(almost too numerous to enumerate)--here's
the pertinent question:
How many of YOUR children are adopted?
That's right, folks, you hear it all the
time, "they should jsut have the baby and
put it up for adoption." There are WAY
too many kids who need good homes as it
is, and WAY too few of y'all who advocate
this alternative are stepping up to the
plate and putting your money where your
mouths are and bringing home a 7 or 12
year old kid whose mother lsot her
parental rights cause she's in prison.
That kid doesnt' need parents any less
than newborn babies do--perhaps they need
them more.
This is a PRIVACY issue. What happens
between a person and her doctor should NOT
be up for public debate. Doctors take
oaths, some choose to practice one kind of
medicine, others the rest...Abortion was
legal in the US from colonial times until
about the mid 19th century, and was only
restricted then because there were too
many UNSAFE practices taking place. Now we
have safe procedures, safe venues. THis
is a personal choice issue.
If you don't like athe idea of abortion,
then don't have one. But the practice of
medicine shoudl NOT be dictated by
religion. Period. Neither should the laws
of this great country.
Be warned...an ugly response may not get a
response.
