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What Is the Definition of Pro-life?
Posted: 11-01-07 09:39am

After posting on here for a while now, it has become apparent to me that many of you have very different definitions of pro-life.

So, what does being "pro-life" mean, in your opinion?
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Posted: 11-01-07 10:01am

In my opinion (hope p-ch opinions are welcome!) pro-life in general means the following (99% of pro-lifers seem to follow these rules):

1) You will personally never abort.
1a) Or, you have aborted in the past and hated the experience so you think all women will feel exactly like you so you want to protect them.
2) You believe to some extent that the rights of the unborn equal or override the rights of the mother.
3) You believe birth is the right choice in almost all cases.
3a) Exceptions MAY include rape, incest, maternal danger and in very rare cases, fetal deformity. Any other child should be given birth to no matter what is wrong with it.
4) Abortion is murder.

The following are things that only SOME pro-lifers believe:

1) The unborn is more important that the mother and even in cases of maternal danger, a mother should never abort.
2) Even in cases of rape she should give birth, because it's not the "baby's" fault.
3) All women who abort have something mentally wrong with them.
3a) And should possibly be jailed/and or punished.
4) God and the bible are the truth, and they said murder was bad.
5) The father should have the right to control the woman's body and force her to give birth because it's "his baby too".

The following are some general pro-life beliefs/opinions I've heard but don't know where to place:

1) Women who become pregnant on accident are loose hussies.
2) They should have kept their legs closed, aka, abstinence is the only acceptable form of birth control.
3) If you have sex, you are consenting to becoming pregnant, even if you use birth control.
4) The only acceptable way of "taking responsibility" is to give birth.

If I think of more I'll edit my post Smile
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Posted: 11-01-07 14:07pm

lol @ the "loose hussies" comment!
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Posted: 11-01-07 14:09pm

I think a lot more people are pro-choice but think they are pro-life.

I'll explain this after I get a few more opinions, hopefully from pro-lifers.
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Posted: 11-01-07 16:50pm

To be a pro-lifer, you need to be/do:

- of the belief that women who abort are dirty whores
- value the life of a fetus over the life of the mother, and once the child is born, move on to the next woman because babies aren't as important as fetuses
- believe that women carry fully-formed infants from the moment of conception
- believe that the aforementioned full-term 'babies' can feel pain, think, breathe, write sad propaganda poetry describing how they feel abortions, build model planes and so forth
- believe that anyone else having an abortion is an evil god-hating satan-worshipping baby-killer...but it's perfectly okay for a pro-lifer to abort because they do it for 'moral' reasons while the dirty whores get abortions do it out of convenience/laziness
- believe that women should birth babies no matter what, and if they die during the birth, they deserve it because they're such dirty whores or it's god's will for a woman to die during childbirth for the sake of her unwanted child
- (optional but usually a symptom of being a pro-liar) be an overly zealous Catholic
- think that adoption is a perfectly wonderful alternative (since growing up with abslutely no family and the knowledge that your own mother didn't want you is so much better than dying when you can't even feel anything)
- to stick your fingers in your ears and chant "I don't heeeear you" when anyone mentions the possibility of the fetus/child you 'saved' being neglected, abused or killed because the parent snapped
- rally to have all women's rights destroyed because women are nothing more than breeding machines and property and they don't deserve to have control over their own bodies

- most pro-liars are parents, but they will say that having children is punishment to the shrewish women for having sex. Hmm - I wonder what they think deep down about their own little waifs.

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Now, what pro-lifers think they do:

- save children, because Mommy will love them once they're born no matter what and there's no way the child will ever be unloved or abused because the pro-life vibe will be powerful enough to stop Mommy from suffocating her unwanted baby in a pillow or drowning the baby in the bathtub
- are doing God's will
- are teaching promiscuous women a lesson
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Posted: 11-01-07 21:37pm

THAT IS BRILLIANT!!!!


I would only add one thing, and that is that next to the "overly zealous Catholic", I would add, "or equally overly zealous Christian Fundamentalist"
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Posted: 11-01-07 22:35pm

Hey now, I tried writing mine unbiasedly with only the beliefs I've seen from pro-lifers, and I tried really hard not to add in overt opinions or be obnoxious Wink

That said, her post was still hilarious ^^
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Posted: 11-02-07 06:38am

It was. Here is what I meant by many people think they are pro-life when they are actually pro-choice.

Anyone who would never abort, but would not stop someone else from aborting by legal means (making abortion illegal) is pro-choice. They are leaving the choice to abort or not up to the individual. They are CHOOSING not to abort, for themselves. which is just as pro-choice as if they chose to abort.

It's not whether or not a person aborts that makes them pro-choice, it's whether or not they were able to make the decision themselves.

making a decision=making a choice, hence the name "pro-choice".

People mistakenly say "I'm pro-ife personally, or I'm pro-life for myself, but pro-choice for other people. They are all pro-choice.

If they were really "pro-life" for themselves, they would have to want the government to force them not to abort under threat of penalty of law, because to be "pro-life" means to want to make abortion illegal.

That is very different from choosing for yourself not to abort.
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Posted: 11-02-07 07:30am

I think it is kind of mean, but I refer to pro-lifers as anti-choicers, since a lot of them seem to believe the mother should never abort even when her life is in dancer. And of course there are the extremists that bomb clinics, which is just ridiculous and hypocritical.

Aside from that, I think Eiri summed it up pretty well.
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Posted: 11-02-07 07:44am

Cambion wrote:
To be a pro-lifer, you need to be/do:

- of the belief that women who abort are dirty whores
- value the life of a fetus over the life of the mother, and once the child is born, move on to the next woman because babies aren't as important as fetuses
- believe that women carry fully-formed infants from the moment of conception
- believe that the aforementioned full-term 'babies' can feel pain, think, breathe, write sad propaganda poetry describing how they feel abortions, build model planes and so forth
- believe that anyone else having an abortion is an evil god-hating satan-worshipping baby-killer...but it's perfectly okay for a pro-lifer to abort because they do it for 'moral' reasons while the dirty whores get abortions do it out of convenience/laziness
- believe that women should birth babies no matter what, and if they die during the birth, they deserve it because they're such dirty whores or it's god's will for a woman to die during childbirth for the sake of her unwanted child
- (optional but usually a symptom of being a pro-liar) be an overly zealous Catholic
- think that adoption is a perfectly wonderful alternative (since growing up with abslutely no family and the knowledge that your own mother didn't want you is so much better than dying when you can't even feel anything)
- to stick your fingers in your ears and chant "I don't heeeear you" when anyone mentions the possibility of the fetus/child you 'saved' being neglected, abused or killed because the parent snapped
- rally to have all women's rights destroyed because women are nothing more than breeding machines and property and they don't deserve to have control over their own bodies

- most pro-liars are parents, but they will say that having children is punishment to the shrewish women for having sex. Hmm - I wonder what they think deep down about their own little waifs.

____________________________________

Now, what pro-lifers think they do:

- save children, because Mommy will love them once they're born no matter what and there's no way the child will ever be unloved or abused because the pro-life vibe will be powerful enough to stop Mommy from suffocating her unwanted baby in a pillow or drowning the baby in the bathtub
- are doing God's will
- are teaching promiscuous women a lesson


I don't think you are going to get any comments from pro-lifers when you say nasty things like we think they are all dirty whores.. but go ahead and you pro-choicer debate between yoursleves, without pro-choice opions.. Smile

That will be sort of boring, but have fun!
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Posted: 11-02-07 08:08am

Meblonde01, was that post supposed to make sense? Grammatically? I'm confused. Pro-choicers are not arguing amongst each other. Do you see arguing?

Without pro-choice options? What does that mean? Pro-choice has ALL of the options, not just some of them. "Pro-choice options" is like saying "ONLY every choice available". It sounds like you're excluding a choice of some kind, when in fact you cannot, because pro-choice by nature includes ALL choices, including the choice to give birth.
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Posted: 11-02-07 09:01am

meblonde01 wrote:


I don't think you are going to get any comments from pro-lifers when you say nasty things like we think they are all dirty whores.. but go ahead and you pro-choicer debate between yoursleves, without pro-choice opions.. Smile

That will be sort of boring, but have fun!


I think you may have misunderstood Cambion. She said that prolifers believe women who have pregnancies they don't want and subsequently abort believe women are "dirty whores".

Sometimes that is true.
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Posted: 11-02-07 09:31am

Eiri wrote:
Meblonde01, was that post supposed to make sense? Grammatically? I'm confused. Pro-choicers are not arguing amongst each other. Do you see arguing?

Without pro-choice options? What does that mean? Pro-choice has ALL of the options, not just some of them. "Pro-choice options" is like saying "ONLY every choice available". It sounds like you're excluding a choice of some kind, when in fact you cannot, because pro-choice by nature includes ALL choices, including the choice to give birth.


where did I say arguing?? Hummm? and what the heck are you talking about.. you are not making any sense.,.. read what I wrote..
I thought she was saying that pro-lifers thought all women how had abortion where dirty-whores.. That is all I was talking about..
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Posted: 11-02-07 09:32am

This is what I was posting about..

To be a pro-lifer, you need to be/do:

- of the belief that women who abort are dirty whores
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Posted: 11-02-07 09:34am

Birch wrote:
meblonde01 wrote:


I don't think you are going to get any comments from pro-lifers when you say nasty things like we think they are all dirty whores.. but go ahead and you pro-choicer debate between yoursleves, without pro-choice opions.. Smile

That will be sort of boring, but have fun!


I think you may have misunderstood Cambion. She said that prolifers believe women who have pregnancies they don't want and subsequently abort believe women are "dirty whores".

Sometimes that is true.


ok.. got ya.. But just for the records I don't think women that abort are dirty whores.. Smile
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Posted: 11-02-07 10:20am

meblonde01 wrote:
Birch wrote:
meblonde01 wrote:


I don't think you are going to get any comments from pro-lifers when you say nasty things like we think they are all dirty whores.. but go ahead and you pro-choicer debate between yoursleves, without pro-choice opions.. Smile

That will be sort of boring, but have fun!


I think you may have misunderstood Cambion. She said that prolifers believe women who have pregnancies they don't want and subsequently abort believe women are "dirty whores".

Sometimes that is true.


ok.. got ya.. But just for the records I don't think women that abort are dirty whores.. Smile


Okay. Very
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What do you think out of curiousity?
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Posted: 11-02-07 12:10pm

meblonde, I wrote the original post/question, not cambion.

What is your definition of pro-life?
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Posted: 11-02-07 15:28pm

I Think pro-lifers feel a fetus is growing into an human being and it makes them sad to think that child to be, has no choice over their life. I think a lot of pro-lifers are indeed Christian and believe it is wrong in God’s eyes. I know many of you don’t believe in God but for the ones that do it is a valid reason to them. As much as your reasons are to you.
I think Pro-life = Life versus Death.
I think Pro-Life = Having a chance to experience life versus not.
Sort of simple.. But all in all I think that is what most pro-lifers feel!
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Posted: 11-02-07 16:23pm

That's nice, meblonde. Smile
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Posted: 11-04-07 11:41am

I'm glad my list was well-received *snicker* Smile

Honestly, I think pro-choicers are more in favor of life than those who clam to be pro-life. Life is about choice, not about limiting it (which pro-lifers just love doing). I'd say pro-choicers are the real pro-lifers, but I don't want to wave the enemy's flag.
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