What Is the Definition of Pro-life? Posted: 11-01-07 09:39am
After posting on here for a while now, it
has become apparent to me that many of you
have very different definitions of
pro-life.
So, what does being "pro-life" mean, in
your opinion?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-01-07 10:01am
In my opinion (hope p-ch opinions are
welcome!) pro-life in general means the
following (99% of pro-lifers seem to
follow these rules):
1) You will personally never abort.
1a) Or, you have aborted in the past and
hated the experience so you think all
women will feel exactly like you so you
want to protect them.
2) You believe to some extent that the
rights of the unborn equal or override the
rights of the mother.
3) You believe birth is the right choice
in almost all cases.
3a) Exceptions MAY include rape, incest,
maternal danger and in very rare cases,
fetal deformity. Any other child should be
given birth to no matter what is wrong
with it.
4) Abortion is murder.
The following are things that only SOME
pro-lifers believe:
1) The unborn is more important that the
mother and even in cases of maternal
danger, a mother should never abort.
2) Even in cases of rape she should give
birth, because it's not the "baby's"
fault.
3) All women who abort have something
mentally wrong with them.
3a) And should possibly be jailed/and or
punished.
4) God and the bible are the truth, and
they said murder was bad.
5) The father should have the right to
control the woman's body and force her to
give birth because it's "his baby too".
The following are some general pro-life
beliefs/opinions I've heard but don't know
where to place:
1) Women who become pregnant on accident
are loose hussies.
2) They should have kept their legs
closed, aka, abstinence is the only
acceptable form of birth control.
3) If you have sex, you are consenting to
becoming pregnant, even if you use birth
control.
4) The only acceptable way of "taking
responsibility" is to give birth.
If I think of more I'll edit my post
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Posted: 11-01-07 14:07pm
lol @ the "loose hussies" comment!
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Posted: 11-01-07 14:09pm
I think a lot more people are pro-choice
but think they are pro-life.
I'll explain this after I get a few more
opinions, hopefully from pro-lifers.
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Posted: 11-01-07 16:50pm
To be a pro-lifer, you need to be/do:
- of the belief that women who abort are
dirty whores
- value the life of a fetus over the life
of the mother, and once the child is born,
move on to the next woman because babies
aren't as important as fetuses
- believe that women carry fully-formed
infants from the moment of conception
- believe that the aforementioned
full-term 'babies' can feel pain, think,
breathe, write sad propaganda poetry
describing how they feel abortions, build
model planes and so forth
- believe that anyone else having an
abortion is an evil god-hating
satan-worshipping baby-killer...but it's
perfectly okay for a pro-lifer to abort
because they do it for 'moral' reasons
while the dirty whores get abortions do it
out of convenience/laziness
- believe that women should birth babies
no matter what, and if they die during the
birth, they deserve it because they're
such dirty whores or it's god's will for a
woman to die during childbirth for the
sake of her unwanted child
- (optional but usually a symptom of being
a pro-liar) be an overly zealous Catholic
- think that adoption is a perfectly
wonderful alternative (since growing up
with abslutely no family and the knowledge
that your own mother didn't want you is so
much better than dying when you can't even
feel anything)
- to stick your fingers in your ears and
chant "I don't heeeear you" when anyone
mentions the possibility of the
fetus/child you 'saved' being neglected,
abused or killed because the parent
snapped
- rally to have all women's rights
destroyed because women are nothing more
than breeding machines and property and
they don't deserve to have control over
their own bodies
- most pro-liars are parents, but they
will say that having children is
punishment to the shrewish women for
having sex. Hmm - I wonder what they think
deep down about their own little waifs.
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Now, what pro-lifers think they do:
- save children, because Mommy will love
them once they're born no matter what and
there's no way the child will ever be
unloved or abused because the pro-life
vibe will be powerful enough to stop Mommy
from suffocating her unwanted baby in a
pillow or drowning the baby in the
bathtub
- are doing God's will
- are teaching promiscuous women a lesson
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Posted: 11-01-07 21:37pm
THAT IS BRILLIANT!!!!
I would only add one thing, and that is
that next to the "overly zealous
Catholic", I would add, "or equally overly
zealous Christian Fundamentalist"
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Posted: 11-01-07 22:35pm
Hey now, I tried writing mine unbiasedly
with only the beliefs I've seen from
pro-lifers, and I tried really hard not to
add in overt opinions or be obnoxious
That said, her post was still hilarious ^^
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Posted: 11-02-07 06:38am
It was. Here is what I meant by many
people think they are pro-life when they
are actually pro-choice.
Anyone who would never abort, but would
not stop someone else from aborting by
legal means (making abortion illegal) is
pro-choice. They are leaving the choice
to abort or not up to the individual.
They are CHOOSING not to abort, for
themselves. which is just as pro-choice as
if they chose to abort.
It's not whether or not a person aborts
that makes them pro-choice, it's whether
or not they were able to make the decision
themselves.
making a decision=making a choice, hence
the name "pro-choice".
People mistakenly say "I'm pro-ife
personally, or I'm pro-life for myself,
but pro-choice for other people. They are
all pro-choice.
If they were really "pro-life" for
themselves, they would have to want the
government to force them not to abort
under threat of penalty of law, because to
be "pro-life" means to want to make
abortion illegal.
That is very different from choosing
for yourself not to abort.
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Posted: 11-02-07 07:30am
I think it is kind of mean, but I refer to
pro-lifers as anti-choicers, since a lot
of them seem to believe the mother should
never abort even when her life is in
dancer. And of course there are the
extremists that bomb clinics, which is
just ridiculous and hypocritical.
Aside from that, I think Eiri summed it up
pretty well.
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Posted: 11-02-07 07:44am
Cambion
wrote:
To be a pro-lifer, you need
to be/do:
- of the belief that women who abort are
dirty whores
- value the life of a fetus over the life
of the mother, and once the child is born,
move on to the next woman because babies
aren't as important as fetuses
- believe that women carry fully-formed
infants from the moment of conception
- believe that the aforementioned
full-term 'babies' can feel pain, think,
breathe, write sad propaganda poetry
describing how they feel abortions, build
model planes and so forth
- believe that anyone else having an
abortion is an evil god-hating
satan-worshipping baby-killer...but it's
perfectly okay for a pro-lifer to abort
because they do it for 'moral' reasons
while the dirty whores get abortions do it
out of convenience/laziness
- believe that women should birth babies
no matter what, and if they die during the
birth, they deserve it because they're
such dirty whores or it's god's will for a
woman to die during childbirth for the
sake of her unwanted child
- (optional but usually a symptom of being
a pro-liar) be an overly zealous Catholic
- think that adoption is a perfectly
wonderful alternative (since growing up
with abslutely no family and the knowledge
that your own mother didn't want you is so
much better than dying when you can't even
feel anything)
- to stick your fingers in your ears and
chant "I don't heeeear you" when anyone
mentions the possibility of the
fetus/child you 'saved' being neglected,
abused or killed because the parent
snapped
- rally to have all women's rights
destroyed because women are nothing more
than breeding machines and property and
they don't deserve to have control over
their own bodies
- most pro-liars are parents, but they
will say that having children is
punishment to the shrewish women for
having sex. Hmm - I wonder what they think
deep down about their own little waifs.
____________________________________
Now, what pro-lifers think they do:
- save children, because Mommy will love
them once they're born no matter what and
there's no way the child will ever be
unloved or abused because the pro-life
vibe will be powerful enough to stop Mommy
from suffocating her unwanted baby in a
pillow or drowning the baby in the
bathtub
- are doing God's will
- are teaching promiscuous women a
lesson
I don't think you are going to get any
comments from pro-lifers when you say
nasty things like we think they are all
dirty whores.. but go ahead and you
pro-choicer debate between yoursleves,
without pro-choice opions..
That will be sort of boring, but have fun!
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-02-07 08:08am
Meblonde01, was that post supposed to make
sense? Grammatically? I'm confused.
Pro-choicers are not arguing amongst each
other. Do you see arguing?
Without pro-choice options? What does that
mean? Pro-choice has ALL of the options,
not just some of them. "Pro-choice
options" is like saying "ONLY every choice
available". It sounds like you're
excluding a choice of some kind, when in
fact you cannot, because pro-choice by
nature includes ALL choices, including the
choice to give birth.
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Posted: 11-02-07 09:01am
meblonde01
wrote:
I don't think you are going to get any
comments from pro-lifers when you say
nasty things like we think they are all
dirty whores.. but go ahead and you
pro-choicer debate between yoursleves,
without pro-choice opions..
That will be sort of boring, but have
fun!
I think you may have misunderstood
Cambion. She said that prolifers believe
women who have pregnancies they don't want
and subsequently abort believe women are
"dirty whores".
Sometimes that is true.
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meblonde01
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Posted: 11-02-07 09:31am
Eiri
wrote:
Meblonde01, was that post
supposed to make sense? Grammatically? I'm
confused. Pro-choicers are not arguing
amongst each other. Do you see arguing?
Without pro-choice options? What does that
mean? Pro-choice has ALL of the options,
not just some of them. "Pro-choice
options" is like saying "ONLY every choice
available". It sounds like you're
excluding a choice of some kind, when in
fact you cannot, because pro-choice by
nature includes ALL choices, including the
choice to give
birth.
where did I say arguing?? Hummm? and what
the heck are you talking about.. you are
not making any sense.,.. read what I
wrote..
I thought she was saying that pro-lifers
thought all women how had abortion where
dirty-whores.. That is all I was talking
about..
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Posted: 11-02-07 09:32am
This is what I was posting about..
To be a pro-lifer, you need to be/do:
- of the belief that women who abort are
dirty whores
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Posted: 11-02-07 09:34am
Birch
wrote:
meblonde01
wrote:
I don't think you are going to get any
comments from pro-lifers when you say
nasty things like we think they are all
dirty whores.. but go ahead and you
pro-choicer debate between yoursleves,
without pro-choice opions..
That will be sort of boring, but have
fun!
I think you may have misunderstood
Cambion. She said that prolifers believe
women who have pregnancies they don't want
and subsequently abort believe women are
"dirty whores".
Sometimes that is
true.
ok.. got ya.. But just for the records I
don't think women that abort are dirty
whores..
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Birch
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Posted: 11-02-07 10:20am
meblonde01
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
meblonde01
wrote:
I don't think you are going to get any
comments from pro-lifers when you say
nasty things like we think they are all
dirty whores.. but go ahead and you
pro-choicer debate between yoursleves,
without pro-choice opions..
That will be sort of boring, but have
fun!
I think you may have misunderstood
Cambion. She said that prolifers believe
women who have pregnancies they don't want
and subsequently abort believe women are
"dirty whores".
Sometimes that is
true.
ok.. got ya.. But just for the records I
don't think women that abort are dirty
whores..
Okay.
What do you think out of curiousity?
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Posted: 11-02-07 12:10pm
meblonde, I wrote the original
post/question, not cambion.
What is your definition of pro-life?
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meblonde01
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Posted: 11-02-07 15:28pm
I Think pro-lifers feel a fetus is growing
into an human being and it makes them sad
to think that child to be, has no choice
over their life. I think a lot of
pro-lifers are indeed Christian and
believe it is wrong in God’s eyes. I
know many of you don’t believe in God
but for the ones that do it is a valid
reason to them. As much as your reasons
are to you.
I think Pro-life = Life versus Death.
I think Pro-Life = Having a chance to
experience life versus not.
Sort of simple.. But all in all I think
that is what most pro-lifers feel!
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Posted: 11-02-07 16:23pm
That's nice, meblonde.
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Cambion
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Posted: 11-04-07 11:41am
I'm glad my list was well-received
*snicker*
Honestly, I think pro-choicers are more in
favor of life than those who clam to be
pro-life. Life is about choice, not about
limiting it (which pro-lifers just love
doing). I'd say pro-choicers are the real
pro-lifers, but I don't want to wave the
enemy's flag.