Here's my post in the
"Limiting How Many Abortions a Woman Can
Have" thread:
Marianne0558
wrote:
kaiti0103
wrote:
THEY GROW UP AND LEARN?!
Ive been in and out of "orphanages and
foster homes. and uess what i grew up. but
to this day still cry because of it...
some kids yes it makes them strong.
but about 65 percent of them try to kill
themselves by the time there 15.
now.
at those statictics.
why would you have a baby so you can put
it in an orphange let it hate itself and
feel like a POS and try to hurt
itself?
kaiteo
wrote:
Would you rather have been
aborted?
div>
kaiti0103
wrote:
yes
actually i wish i would have
been
meblonde01
wrote:
Marianne0558
wrote:
meblonde01
wrote:
Do You feel if you ask a person who grew
up in a home instead of being aborted that
the majority of them would say they would
rather have been aborted.. I think they
would not say that.. That is my point. You
can dance around it all you want to, but I
really don't think they would rather have
not been
born..
And who are you to speak for these people?
Have you been in an orphanage for your
life?
Like I said.. I think most people would
still say (even if they never got adoped)
they would still rather live than to be
aborted.. Just because they never get
adoped doesn't mean they stay in there for
ever! They leave when they get older.
I think even the ones in a bad ophanage
would still rather have lived than to have
been
aborted..
<
/div>
There you have it, mebolonde. Here is the
person you wanted to ask. 65% attempted
suicide rate?? Hmm... sounds like you were
wrong about your assumption that most of
these orphans would rather live. Sounds
like 65% is a majority.
Hmmm......
EDIT: I have no idea why my comment is in
strike-through.
?
**It quotes the original one who said
that.**
Yeah I would like to know where this came
from.. I'm not saying it is wrong, but I
would like to see the source.. I will ask
her..
THEY GROW UP AND LEARN?!
Ive been in and out of "orphanages and
foster homes. and uess what i grew up. but
to this day still cry because of it...
some kids yes it makes them strong.
but about 65 percent of them try to kill
themselves by the time there 15.
now.
at those statictics.
why would you have a baby so you can put
it in an orphange let it hate itself and
feel like a POS and try to hurt itself?
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Posted: 11-02-07 12:15pm
Eiri
wrote:
I didn't state it
originally!! Fine, I'll
go find the post. I believe it is in this
very topic.
Oh look, it was on page three. That would
have taken you SO much effort.
Marianne0558
wrote:
I am for abortion because
the children that end up in these
orphanages, don't really have the best
chance in life. A girl was on here just
yesterday saying how she grew up in a home
and wanted to die. She wish she had never
been born. She informed us that about 65% of
the children in those places attempt
suicide.
Most of the
children stayed in foster care, sometimes
bouncing from one family to another until
they were pronounced "failures." Only then
were they sent to group residential
programs or -- for more troubled children
-- facilities like Hollygrove. In
accordance with the act, children were
intended to stay at residential-treatment
centers no more than two years. After
that, "stabilized" kids were put back into
the foster-care system; those still
obviously asocial went to small "group
homes" with psychiatric
supervision.
Mm, sounds like fun.
Quote:
tr>
But in the 1980s
[the system] imploded, leaving massive
carnage. The crack epidemic unleashed a
new tide of kids on overburdened
social-service agencies. Beleaguered
child-welfare workers juggled huge case
loads, and soon the newspapers were filled
with horror stories not only about failures to
remove children from dangerous homes
but also about abuse in foster
families and kids who bounced
almost unnoticed from one inappropriate
foster-care experience to the next. A
report commissioned by the Reagan
Administration in the late '80s concluded:
"Foster
care is intended to protect children from
neglect and abuse at the hands of
parents and other family members, yet all too
often it becomes an equally cruel form of
neglect and abuse by the
state."
Quote:
tr>
In the United
States, children in Georgia have been
incarcerated in jail-like facilities,
where they may be bound to a bed by their
wrists and ankles as a disciplinary
measure, or for
showing signs of suicidal behavior.
In the Baltimore City Detention Center in
Maryland, guards will sometimes allow
youths
to fight with each other in what is called
the “square dance.” The two boys who
are going to
fight are allowed in a little area about
eight feet by eight feet, and everyone
else is locked in their
cells. Jackson F. described a square
dance: “There’s a lot of yelling from
everybody, but if it
gets too loud the officers will tell you
you need to be quiet or they’ll break up
the dance. It ends up with busted heads,
slashes over your eyes, broken fingers,
cut lips, maybe a broken nose. But
you don’t go to the hospital for the
cuts. If you did, there’d have to be a
report, and the guards
would have to explain why two guys were
out in the square while everybody else was
locked
in.”
1.
Institutionalization
a. Children in institutions are submitted
to collective routines of a group.
b. They are often unable to make
sufficient use of space to allow their
unique
personalities to develop.
b. The longer children remain in an
institutional environment, the greater the
chances are that they will experience
learning, adjustment and attachment
difficulties later in life. They may also
experience greater sensory motor
delays, educational difficulties, language
problems, emotional and relationship
problems than children from the general
population.
c. Some experts have estimated that
children typically “lose” about one
month of
growth for every three months of
institutional care.i
d. Infants and toddlers require a stable
and secure parental family unit and
hierarchy and an abundance of pure
maternal and paternal physical and
emotional experiences.
e. Even the very best and well-funded
orphanage care available (in any country,
including US) experience long-term
medical, developmental, behavior and
emotional issues as a result of their
orphanage experience.ii
2. Foster Care
a. This has proven to be very problematic
in the US, whether lack of
permanency and feels of contingency have
left many children with residual
psychological damage
b. Children who grew up in foster care
flood the jails, mental hospitals and
welfare rolls.
h. See story of Larry Adams
In a memoir she's
writing about growing up the way no child
should have to, Todd has this to say of
the foster-care system: "We are in
prison for crimes our families
committed."
Georgette Todd beat the odds on all
counts, with the help of her surrogate
mothers. She became one of the less than 5
percent of former foster children who earn
college
degrees.
Mmm, foster care and adoption just sound
SO awesome, don't they!?
I couldn't find Marianne0558 source (or
rather, the source of the girl who told
her) so if she'd be so kind as to find
that... I think I've provided enough proof
of the hardships in general that a 62%
suicide-attempt rate is NOT
unbelievable.
OMG that is horrendous. I didn't know how
horrible it was.
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Posted: 11-02-07 12:28pm
To read what a nightmare the foster system
is, check this out:
Foster children and young people who are
coming into care are particularly at risk
for suicide. The successful prevention of
a crisis depends on the ability of foster
parents and agency staff members to
understand the nature of the situation and
work together in dealing with it.
What the Science Says
In the time it takes to watch an episode
of Law and Order SVU, five infants are
being removed from their homes for abuse
or neglect or both. During the time
you’re getting ready to go to work,
another five babies move into foster care.
Everyday in the United States, 118 babies
leave their homes because their parents
cannot take care of them.1 The quality of
their entire lives – at home and in
foster care – is deeply troubling.
Children between birth and three years
have the highest rates of victimization,
with infants accounting for almost 10% of
all child maltreatment victims.2 Children
ages 3 and younger are also 34% more
likely to be placed in foster care than
children ages 4 to 11.3 Once they have
been removed from their homes and placed
in foster care, infants stay in foster
care longer than older children.4 Infants
and toddlers who come into contact with
the child welfare system are at great risk
of compromised development.5 Approximately
42% of them are developmentally delayed,
many of them so delayed that pediatricians
consider them developmentally impaired.6
Babies and toddlers are the most
vulnerable to the effects of maltreatment,
and its impact on all aspects of their
development can have life-long
implications if not properly addressed.
Research shows that young children who
have experienced physical abuse have lower
social competence, show less empathy for
others, have difficulty recognizing
others’ emotions, and are more likely to
be insecurely attached to their parents.7
They are also more likely to have deficits
in IQ scores, language ability, and school
performance than children who have not
been maltreated.8
The science of infant-toddler development
and mental health is instructive to both
professionals and policymakers working
toward improving outcomes for infants and
toddlers in the child welfare system.
Indeed, the science makes it abundantly
clear that positive intervention during
the first years
of life is critical to children in the
child welfare system. Consider these facts
about infant-toddler development and
mental health:
Between birth and three years old,
the brain cell connections that govern
sight, hearing, and language are mapped
out. External stimulation (positive and
negative) has major influence over
everything the brain regulates: among them
are memory, emotions, and learning.9
From the first days of life, infants
remember what has happened in their lives.
So called “perceptual memory” links
growing babies to sights and smells that
can trigger intense psychological and
physiological responses.
From smiles to averted gazes and
yawns, babies are trying to communicate
their needs and feelings to us.10
It is now possible to identify signs
of depression and other psychological
disorders in babies as young as 3
months.11
From birth, babies feel empathy
toward other babies in distress.12
Low birth weight and pre-maturity
lead to developmental challenges for
infants and put them at greater risk for a
range of medical problems. It is estimated
that forty percent of babies involved with
the foster care system were born low birth
weight or premature or both. More than
half of these children suffer from serious
health problems, including elevated lead
blood-levels, and chronic diseases such as
asthma.13
Flying below the radar screen is
Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD). It
is a physical disability whose primary
symptoms (e.g., poor judgment,
impulsivity, difficulty learning from
experience, slow developmental pace) are
often misdiagnosed as oppositional defiant
disorder, conduct disorder, attention
deficit disorder, and emotionally
disturbed. The brain damage is caused by
alcohol and drugs that pass the placental
barrier during pregnancy. It cannot be
cured but, if correctly diagnosed and
treated, accommodations can be made to
allow people with FASD to lead productive
lives.14
The single most important predictor
of a child’s healthy growth and
development is the attachment s/he forms
with a consistent, loving caregiver. A
secure emotional bond with a loving
caregiver gives infants the belief that
they are worthwhile and gives them the
ability to nurture themselves, care for
those around them, and develop the
motivation to learn about their world.
Babies grieve when their caregivers
disappear.
http://www.zerotothree.
org/site/DocServer/Court_Teams_Sci_to_Poli
cy.pdf?docID=2524
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Posted: 11-02-07 13:39pm
meblonde01
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
I thought that sounded
fishy.
what sounds fishy? You lost the blonde
some where in all of this
Birchie..
That 60% of children raised in orphanages
"try to commit suicide". I would be more
inclined to believe that they may have
suicidal ideation at some point in their
lives, but then I would compare that to
individuals who were not reared in an
orphanage and maybe there would be similar
results...
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Posted: 11-02-07 14:21pm
Birch
wrote:
meblonde01
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
I thought that sounded
fishy.
what sounds fishy? You lost the blonde
some where in all of this
Birchie..
That 60% of children raised in orphanages
"try to commit suicide". I would be more
inclined to believe that they may have
suicidal ideation at some point in their
lives, but then I would compare that to
individuals who were not reared in an
orphanage and maybe there would be similar
results...
Yeah and maybe teens in general.. I wonder
what the suicide rate is for teen agers..
I don't think it is that high but I will
see if I can find out..
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Posted: 11-02-07 14:36pm
[quote="futureshock"]Foster children and
young people who are coming into care are
particularly at risk for suicide. The
successful prevention of a crisis depends
on the ability of foster parents and
agency staff members to understand the
nature of the situation and work together
in dealing with it.
What the Science Says
In the time it takes to watch an episode
of Law and Order SVU, five infants are
being removed from their homes for abuse
or neglect or both. During the time
you’re getting ready to go to work,
another five babies move into foster care.
Everyday in the United States, 118 babies
leave their homes because their parents
cannot take care of them.1 The quality of
their entire lives – at home and in
foster care – is deeply troubling.
Children between birth and three years
have the highest rates of victimization,
with infants accounting for almost 10% of
all child maltreatment victims.2 Children
ages 3 and younger are also 34% more
likely to be placed in foster care than
children ages 4 to 11.3 Once they have
been removed from their homes and placed
in foster care, infants stay in foster
care longer than older children.4 Infants
and toddlers who come into contact with
the child welfare system are at great risk
of compromised development.5 Approximately
42% of them are developmentally delayed,
many of them so delayed that pediatricians
consider them developmentally impaired.6
Babies and toddlers are the most
vulnerable to the effects of maltreatment,
and its impact on all aspects of their
development can have life-long
implications if not properly addressed.
Research shows that young children who
have experienced physical abuse have lower
social competence, show less empathy for
others, have difficulty recognizing
others’ emotions, and are more likely to
be insecurely attached to their parents.7
They are also more likely to have deficits
in IQ scores, language ability, and school
performance than children who have not
been maltreated.8
The science of infant-toddler development
and mental health is instructive to both
professionals and policymakers working
toward improving outcomes for infants and
toddlers in the child welfare system.
Indeed, the science makes it abundantly
clear that positive intervention during
the first years
of life is critical to children in the
child welfare system. Consider these facts
about infant-toddler development and
mental health:
Between birth and three years old,
the brain cell connections that govern
sight, hearing, and language are mapped
out. External stimulation (positive and
negative) has major influence over
everything the brain regulates: among them
are memory, emotions, and learning.9
From the first days of life, infants
remember what has happened in their lives.
So called “perceptual memory” links
growing babies to sights and smells that
can trigger intense psychological and
physiological responses.
From smiles to averted gazes and
yawns, babies are trying to communicate
their needs and feelings to us.10
It is now possible to identify signs
of depression and other psychological
disorders in babies as young as 3
months.11
From birth, babies feel empathy
toward other babies in distress.12
Low birth weight and pre-maturity
lead to developmental challenges for
infants and put them at greater risk for a
range of medical problems. It is estimated
that forty percent of babies involved with
the foster care system were born low birth
weight or premature or both. More than
half of these children suffer from serious
health problems, including elevated lead
blood-levels, and chronic diseases such as
asthma.13
Flying below the radar screen is
Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD). It
is a physical disability whose primary
symptoms (e.g., poor judgment,
impulsivity, difficulty learning from
experience, slow developmental pace) are
often misdiagnosed as oppositional defiant
disorder, conduct disorder, attention
deficit disorder, and emotionally
disturbed. The brain damage is caused by
alcohol and drugs that pass the placental
barrier during pregnancy. It cannot be
cured but, if correctly diagnosed and
treated, accommodations can be made to
allow people with FASD to lead productive
lives.14
The single most important predictor
of a child’s healthy growth and
development is the attachment s/he forms
with a consistent, loving caregiver. A
secure emotional bond with a loving
caregiver gives infants the belief that
they are worthwhile and gives them the
ability to nurture themselves, care for
those around them, and develop the
motivation to learn about their world.
Babies grieve when their caregivers
disappear.
http://www.zeroto
three.org/site/DocServer/Court_Teams_Sci_t
o_Policy.pdf?docID=2524[/quot
I still don't see the 60% if that is what
you are trying to point out..
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Okay people, I'm sorry I ever brought it
up, geezzzeeee!
First of all, the girl who was in and out
of orphanages/foster care came up with
that percentage on her own. She said she
witnessed this. I never said she actually
got the statistic from a credible source.
The point was to show that not everyone
who grows up in foster/orphanage care are
"happy to be alive" and "would rather be
there than have been aborted." Meblonde
said that if you actually asked them, they
would say they choose life over
abortion...
What the girl said proved my point about
that...
Time to drop that. And anyway, it doesn't
really have anything to do with animal
rights either.
I already stated that the girl didn't have
a source and maybe if you people actually
read everything, you would
have figured that out a while ago.
Back to the topic at hand.
What does animal rights have to do with
abortion anyway? Abortion is about women's
rights, not the rights of puppies and
kittens and little fluffy bunnies.
I still don't see the 60% if that is what
you are trying to point
out..
You know, that is very typical of a
pro-lifer, to ignore the horror being
pointed out to them because it does not
fit their agenda.
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Posted: 11-02-07 19:45pm
Marianne0558
wrote:
Back to the topic at hand.
What does animal rights have to do with
abortion anyway? Abortion is about women's
rights, not the rights of puppies and
kittens and little fluffy
bunnies.
Some pro-lifers, like the person who
started this thread, think that people who
are pro-choice care more about animals
than "babies", I guess.
I still don't see the 60% if that is what
you are trying to point
out..
You know, that is very typical of a
pro-lifer, to ignore the horror being
pointed out to them because it does not
fit their
agenda.
I'm not ignoring, but a statement was made
with nothing to back it up.. if pro-lifers
did that you would ask the same thing.. We
all have to be accountable for our
statements. If someone says 60% they
should give a source. Both sides!
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Re: Do Pro-choice Individuals Support Animal Rights? Posted: 11-02-07 23:08pm
16 father
wrote:
Do some pro-choice people
support animal rights? Then why don't they
care for
humans?
I still don't see the 60% if that is what
you are trying to point
out..
You know, that is very typical of a
pro-lifer, to ignore the horror being
pointed out to them because it does not
fit their
agenda.
I'm not ignoring, but a statement was made
with nothing to back it up.. if pro-lifers
did that you would ask the same thing.. We
all have to be accountable for our
statements. If someone says 60% they
should give a source. Both
sides!
Yes, but I DID NOT POST THAT, did I? My
post was about SOMETHING ELSE.
If I had said, OK, here's the proof of
that 65 number you were looking for,
then your post would have made sense. But
I did not say any such thing.
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Posted: 11-03-07 07:45am
futureshock
wrote:
Foster children and young people who
are coming into care are particularly at
risk for suicide. The successful
prevention of a crisis depends on the
ability of foster parents and agency staff
members to understand the nature of the
situation and work together in dealing
with it.
What the Science Says
In the
time it takes to watch an episode of Law
and Order SVU, five infants are being
removed from their homes for abuse or
neglect or both. During the time you’re
getting ready to go to work, another five
babies move into foster care. Everyday in
the United States, 118 babies leave their
homes because their parents cannot take
care of them.1 The quality of their
entire lives – at home and in foster
care – is deeply troubling. Children
between birth and three years have the
highest rates of victimization, with
infants accounting for almost 10% of all
child maltreatment victims.2 Children ages 3
and younger are also 34% more likely to be
placed in foster care than children ages 4
to 11.3 Once they have been removed
from their homes and placed in foster
care, infants stay in foster care longer
than older children.4 Infants and toddlers
who come into contact with the child
welfare system are at great risk of
compromised development.5 Approximately
42% of them are developmentally delayed,
many of them so delayed that pediatricians
consider them developmentally
impaired.6
The reason I posted this was to give some
insight at the horrors of the whole foster
care system. I, personally, was
completely ignorant to just how tragic the
whole thing is, until I began reading
about it just yesterday.
I also realized how so many children get
put into that system. I used to be
confused about it because I know that
there is a long, long waiting list for
couples to adopt babies, so how could
there be half a million kids in foster
care?
The answer is, most teens and other ill
equipped women who give birth do not put
their children up for adoption. They take
them home from the hospital thinking they
have a clue what they are doing.
They don't, and they don't have the money
or support system either, and the babies
end up being taken away from them
and put in to foster care. Now these
babies are considered "damaged", and
nobody wants them, even though they are
still babies.
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Posted: 11-03-07 07:51am
Does anybody know why that post and others
have the sentences crossed out? I didn't
look like that when I looked at it in
preview.
Here is the crossed out part again,
(fingers crossed).
The reason I posted this was to give some
insight at the horrors of the whole foster
care system. I, personally, was
completely ignorant to just how tragic the
whole thing is, until I began reading
about it just yesterday.
I also realized how so many children get
put into that system. I used to be
confused about it because I know that
there is a long, long waiting list for
couples to adopt babies, so how could
there be half a million kids in foster
care?
The answer is, most teens and other ill
equipped women who give birth do not put
their children up for adoption. They take
them home from the hospital thinking they
have a clue what they are doing.
They don't, and they don't have the money
or support system either, and the babies
end up being taken away from them
and put in to foster care. Now these
babies are considered "damaged", and
nobody wants them, even though they are
still babies.[/quote]
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Posted: 11-03-07 08:48am
futureshock
wrote:
Marianne0558
wrote:
Back to the topic at hand.
What does animal rights have to do with
abortion anyway? Abortion is about women's
rights, not the rights of puppies and
kittens and little fluffy
bunnies.
Some pro-lifers, like the person who
started this thread, think that people who
are pro-choice care more about animals
than "babies", I
guess.
That's a bunch of bullnanny. I love my
dog, don't get me wrong, but of course I
care more about babies! The ones in my
life anyway. I love my daughter and niece
waaaaay more than this dog.
The OP might be getting us confused with
pro-abortionists.
Pro-choice is different.
I still don't see the 60% if that is what
you are trying to point
out..
You know, that is very typical of a
pro-lifer, to ignore the horror being
pointed out to them because it does not
fit their
agenda.
Wait a minute...was it shown anywhere that
60% of children raised in orphanages "try
to commit suicide"?
There's plenty to knock on meblonde about,
but you can't say "it's typica"...to
ignore the horror...because it does not
fit with their agenda" when you haven't
proven the very horror that she's talking
about.
While yes, the foster care system is
horrendous, and yes, undoubtably there are
orphanges that are horrendous, I have a
very hard time believing that almost 2/3
kids have an unsuccessful suicide attempt
if they were raised in an orphanage.
Suicidal ideation, perhaps, since a vast
number of teens no matter what their
circumstances may experience this, but an
actual unsuccessful suicide attempt? I
will be happy to eat my words but I'm not
buyin'.
Marianne0558
wrote:
futureshock
wrote:
Marianne0558
wrote:
Back to the topic at hand.
What does animal rights have to do with
abortion anyway? Abortion is about women's
rights, not the rights of puppies and
kittens and little fluffy
bunnies.
Some pro-lifers, like the person who
started this thread, think that people who
are pro-choice care more about animals
than "babies", I
guess.
That's a bunch of bullnanny. I love my
dog, don't get me wrong, but of course I
care more about babies! The ones in my
life anyway. I love my daughter and niece
waaaaay more than this dog.
The OP might be getting us confused with
pro-abortionists.
Pro-choice is
different.
I care more about animals than fetuses.
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Posted: 11-03-07 10:49am
I didn't bother reading all of these
posts. I started this initial post out of
spite which was a mistake. I do believe a
relation between pro-choice and animal
rights can be formed however it takes more
input. Time which I don't have. I
apologize for not supporting my claim and
will back it up at a further date on here.
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Marianne0558
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Posted: 11-03-07 11:57am
Birch
wrote:
futureshock
wrote:
Marianne0558
wrote:
Some pro-lifers, like the person who
started this thread, think that people who
are pro-choice care more about animals
than "babies", I
guess.
That's a bunch of bullnanny. I love my
dog, don't get me wrong, but of course I
care more about babies! The ones in my
life anyway. I love my daughter and niece
waaaaay more than this dog.
The OP might be getting us confused with
pro-abortionists.
Pro-choice is
different.
I care more about animals than
fetuses.
I care more about animals than other
people's fetuses as well. Now if it were
my personal fetus, that would be a
different story-depending on if I were
keeping the baby or not.
Futureshock was talking about animals
versus babies, not animals versus
fetuses.
I care about the babies that are apart of
my life, one of them being my daughter,
one of them being my niece, the other my
doggie
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