What Is the Male Pro-lifer's Responsibility? Posted: 10-29-07 23:27pm
If you are male and pro-life, and your
girl is pro-choice, then in my opinion if
you want to prevent your girl from
aborting don't get her pregnant. Use
pills, condoms and a spermicide. Your girl
doesn't want to get pregnant either, but
she knows she has the right to control her
body if it happens.
As a male, you absolutely do not have any
right to tell her what to do with her
body. If you want control over abortion,
then do it by preventing it. Do not take
chances. If you don't trust condoms, pills
and spermicide, then abstain.
Do not ignorantly get a girl pregnant and
then whine about how she can't make the
choice to kill "your baby". You should
have worn a condom, period.
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Posted: 10-29-07 23:33pm
agreed.
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Posted: 10-29-07 23:46pm
I would never date a pro-life male. They
inherently see women as second class
citizens.
*sigh*
I know some of you won't get this, so here
is the spoon feeding some of you need:
1) All people, men and women, have the
right to control their own bodies.
2) Pro-life men want to take away the
right of all women to control their own
bodies.
3. This would leave men and embryos with
more rights than women.
4. If one group of citizens has more
rights than another, the one with less
rights is SECOND CLASS because of that.
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Posted: 10-30-07 00:24am
my DH is prolife and is great when it
comes to woman having equal rights.
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Posted: 10-30-07 07:39am
Sandy_Pants
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my DH is prolife and is
great when it comes to woman having equal
rights.
Good! it's nice to hear as in everything
there are exceptions to all rules.. You changed your
name....
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Posted: 10-30-07 13:50pm
I agree, Eiri. It amazes me the number of
men who complain when their partner gets
an abortion - or even when they carry to
term and then hit them up for support -
but they didn't wear a condom or even
discuss what would happen in the event of
pregnancy BEFORE they dropped their pants.
I do feel for the men who were deceived
ie. the woman said she'd carry or abort,
then changed her mind once pregnant.
However, I think those are the minority.
If a man does not want to be a father, or
does not want his partner to abort should
she conceive, it behooves him to wrap it
up before playing hide the weenie with
her.
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Posted: 10-30-07 14:07pm
Sandy_Pants
wrote:
my DH is prolife and is
great when it comes to woman having equal
rights.
Then I guess we have a different
definition of pro-life. My definition
means that he wants to make abortion
illegal.
pro-life
–adjective
opposed to legalized abortion
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Posted: 10-30-07 16:33pm
I just think it's something that needs to
be discussed before sex, and if you really
disagree, maybe you shouldn't be having
sex. Or you could find yourself in a
pretty bad situation.
Of course that's not always gonna happen,
one night stands don't start with "What
are your views on abortion?"
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Posted: 10-30-07 18:31pm
I agree with you on both counts, Georgia!
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Posted: 10-30-07 21:02pm
Most women who are pro-choice have
children or will eventually. Get an
education. You have nothing but
propaganda between your ears. I can tell
this just from reading your posts.
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Posted: 10-30-07 23:01pm
16 father
wrote:
Well pro life men you heard
it, don't date ignorant pro choice
women.
Why do you assume all pro-choice woman are
ignorant? I'm pro-choice and my boyfriend
is pro-life. We have a great
relationship.
Quote:
tr>
Eventually pro
life people will have children and pro
choice will die out. ha ha
.
Only pro-lifers have children? My mom is
pro-choice, and had 3 kids. Are you
forgetting that pro-choicers also support
pregnancy, birth, and adoption?
Quote:
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Fathers should
have (and morally have) the same right to
their children as mothers
do
How do you figure? Are you going to carry
the child in your body for 9 months? Are
you going to give birth? The father
should definitely have an opinion in the
matter (and hopefully the couple will make
the decision together) but in the end,
it's up to the woman carrying the child.
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Posted: 10-31-07 06:29am
The reason abortion doesn't effect
population rates is that the vast majority
of women who have abortions go on to have
children later in life. In other words,
they have the same amount of children they
would have had whether there was such a
thing as abortion or not.
If they hadn't aborted when they were
younger, all of the children they
eventually had would never have been born.
Do those children have a lesser right to
life than the aborted embryos?
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Posted: 10-31-07 10:07am
futureshock
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The reason abortion doesn't
effect population rates is that the vast
majority of women who have abortions go on
to have children later in life. In other
words, they have the same amount of
children they would have had whether there
was such a thing as abortion or not.
If they hadn't aborted when they were
younger, all of the children they
eventually had would never have been born.
Do those children have a lesser right to
life than the aborted
embryos?
My brother and I wouldn't exist if my
mother hadn't aborted. I guess we don't
matter, eh?
Re: What Is the Male Pro-lifer's Responsibility? Posted: 10-31-07 13:25pm
Eiri
wrote:
If you are male and
pro-life, and your girl is pro-choice,
then in my opinion if you want to prevent
your girl from aborting don't get her
pregnant. Use pills, condoms and a
spermicide. Your girl doesn't want to get
pregnant either, but she knows she has the
right to control her body if it happens.
As a male, you absolutely do not have any
right to tell her what to do with her
body. If you want control over abortion,
then do it by preventing it. Do not take
chances. If you don't trust condoms, pills
and spermicide, then abstain.
Do not ignorantly get a girl pregnant and
then whine about how she can't make the
choice to kill "your baby". You should
have worn a condom,
period.
Good points, Eiri, but you are neglecting
to mention the exceptions. As we already
know, measures taken to prevent pregnancy
are overwhelmingly, but not absolutely
reliable. So, supposing the pro-life male
has tried his best to prevent pregnancy
but unfortunately his pro-choice partner
has fallen pregnant and decided to
terminate, what are his rights (if any)?
Personally, I would applaud such a man for
trying his best and being very reliable a)
to try and prevent a pregnancy when
neither he nor his partner want this and
b) for taking the necessary and
conscientious measures to deter a
condition whose result is very divisive
between him and his partner. However, I am
pro-choice, and the final decision must
always fall in the
hands of the pregnant women; nevertheless,
I ardently encourage that the woman
discuss options with her partner
(regardless of his beliefs) in the hope
that, whatever the final decision, it is a
joint one.
Anyway, back to the discussion, I do feel
sympathy for all men who cannot act on the
decision of their pregnant partner, and my
advice to any pro-life man who has done
his best to prevent the pregnancy is
purely to get across his viewpoint and try
his best to dissuade his partner from
aborting. He must recognise thought that
while he has every right to put across his
ideas, he must respect the notion that he
cannot force her into her choice
and if he would rather split up with her
because he views her as a 'merciless
killer', that's his choice
.
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Posted: 10-31-07 14:02pm
What are his rights? None. He can advise,
he can talk. He can be a back-handed fool
if he wants and try to blackmail her into
gestating. But as far as laws go, he has
NO right to FORCE her to gestate.
I think most pro-choice women would
certainly be willing to talk with their
partner and work out a deal together
especially if care was taken towards
protection. I have no problem with that.
I still find a man sick if he dumps his
pregnant girlfriend simply because she is
going to exercise the right to control her
own body.
I didn't mean to say he has any legal
rights; rather, he has the freedom to do
anything (i.e. express his views,
encourage her with all his might to change
her mind and keep the baby, tell his lover
she's killing an innocent child) but force
her into something against her will. I
don't feel that men should have the right
to control a woman's body, regardlss of
whether the baby is his.
I do find it overtly bigoted of you,
however, to say that you find it "sick" if
a man dumps his girlfriend because she
chooses an abortion. If you are somehow
refusing to respect the man's
right to exercise his own pro-life
opinions, how can you demand that a man
respect his partner pro-choice decisions?
This is a hypocritical double standard -
the male shouldn't have to forgive what he
perceives to be child homicide just as a
woman shouldn't have to forgive her
partner because he has forced her into
birth. Between a couple there must always
be a freedom of expression of stances
fundamentally without forcing one partner
with no option but to carry out the
preferences of the other. If they are
unable to be content enough with the
partner's decision to love them again it
is their right not to forgive and forget.
I completely back pro-lifers' rights to
ditch a partner who has terminated an
innocent human life just as i condone
pro-choicers' rights to leave a man who
has coerced them into an action against
their will.
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Posted: 11-02-07 16:44pm
I apologize if my sarcasm of the dying out
of pro-choices was misinterpreted by some
of you.
However, I do believe pro-life men
shouldn't date pro-choice women, if then
intend to abort if they become pregnant.
She won't get pregnant or have him as a
boyfriend, everyone is happy.
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Posted: 11-02-07 17:13pm
Agreed.
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Posted: 11-02-07 18:47pm
16 father
wrote:
However, I do believe pro-life men
shouldn't date pro-choice women, if then
intend to abort if they become pregnant.
She won't get pregnant or have him as a
boyfriend, everyone is
happy.
I do agree with you in some situations. I
mentioned that my boyfriend is pro-life
and I am pro-choice. When I decided to
have an abortion (it was his) he was not
happy, but never once threatened to leave
me. We had some serious talks about it,
and he realized that he loved me too much
to let the situation break us apart. He
even went with me to the clinic, knowing
that in the end, although he can have an
opinion, that it was my body and my
choice.
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Posted: 11-02-07 23:11pm
Lemme spell it out for you 16; if and when
you get pregnant you can make all the
decisions you want about gestation; in the
mean time why don't you leave that choice
to the sex that actually gestates.. no the
7/10 of one second it takes for
fertilization to occure does not actually
constitute gestating..