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Teenagers And Friendship (long) Aaaa I Need Help
Posted: 10-29-07 08:50am

I think this goes here. I'll try to keep this short but the situation is making my brain hurt. I need help, please, I'm practically begging here. Sad

I have a friend who's over 3 years younger than me, I turned 22 last month (female), he's 19 in early '08, we're both in college, both very inexperienced in terms of relationships or sex and all, but we're just kinda old-fashioned, I suppose. It's long distance, but we're great friends and just have an amazing spark, we've been close but that was more up until '07, now it's on and off. Anyways, his attitude lately is badly affecting our friendship...


.:: Point of the post ::.
I feel like I can't say anything right, or talk to him when I need a friend because he makes everything about him. He even said "Oh, those msn subtitles aimed at me? :p". HELLO EGOMANIAC. This guy means a lot to me but I don't know how to deal with his hot and coldness, this latest phase. He knows what he means to me, we've tried a relationship when he has felt the same as me, yet doesn't see why he can't talk "openly" about his latest crush. WHY would I want to hear about that? How many times do I need to spell it out for the total person that I still feel the same about him. That's just one thing though, he lashes out at random things, or just gets plain weird at times.

Anyway. I've asked him to chill, tried talking about everything but he turns stuff on me like I'm insecure or cynical, like I'm the problem. Or says how I should have some faith in what I'm worth to people (he was dodging the issue, since I asked what I was worth to HIM not John Smith down the damned road). I was just asking him to tell me something nice for once, I suppose. Simply put, I don't know how not to feel hurt and angry when he treats me like crap sometimes, because these days there's little balance.

What I'm asking for is some help on how to keep "cool". At times he gets so moody like a PMSing chick, whining over stupid things like how he can't pull off a certain song (he plays guitar and drools over his own music) or how he has to watch couples walking around and feels jealous. Not to mention he has this "American dream" attitude, where he talks like a delusional fool, bypassing real issues and people.

Sidenote: He told me he'd been clinically depressed as a young teen. Now it's like he tries to hard with everything. Could that explain why he's being such a dick towards me sometimes? Why he's so self-absorbed and scatter-brained? Something's just not right, with him. It was months back, but someone who's known him longer mentioned how he "didn't seem sane".

I have plenty of reason not to trust him or know what I mean to him, with how he is towards me and everything I mention here. He says he'd have left for good already if he was ever going to walk away from me, that I'm "a real hassle to put up with" but honestly, everyone who knows of our situation says they have no idea how I put up with so much crap, or why he bothers with me at all. One friend is seriously like, "It confuses the life out of me". My simple answer to everyone would be that I love him, and he's not always a complete ass but I don't know how to handle this teenage idiocy. How do I oppose lashouts without lecturing or criticizing? I need tips, ideas or general interpretations. D:

Someone tell me what to think, what to say or do, and most of all how to put up a white flag so this friendship can work. =/

Feel free to stop here and/or reply if you don't like long posts... the rest is just a little more details.



.:: Background story ::.
In late September he came back after completely cutting ties with me for about a month (I was devastated by his leaving). This followed a big argument because of massive insensitivity where he rubbed his meeting a new girl in my face, having been very distant with me for almost two months after our "breakup" in late June. Basically I hit a few nerves with my reply to that message where he went on about the damned chick (completely ignoring my previous message). He left but truthfully my reply was WELL deserved. He apologized upon his return, said he thought I hated him, and for a few weeks he went on and off of being into that same chick ("bad crush on a bad girl", he says) til HE apparently gave up on her (probably defending his pride). :roll

We've been better since his return, in some ways, but there's some kind of unresolved tension or frustration, and it's coming off worse from him than me, short but sharp outbursts. It's like he doesn't care enough to try and talk things out, or expects me to be volatile when his silence MAKES me volatile.

He's such a painfully typical teenager, lacking his usual depth or character lately. Not to mention he's INSANELY self-absorbed, lame and as my friend says, "he exaggerates his 'problems' into giant proportions". Honestly... someone get him a room with himself or his guitar. Mad



.:: My liking him ::.
Sometimes he feels the same way, he initiated everything, always does. We have feelings for each other (mine basically "love", his... God knows), and it seems that feeling comes and goes for him. In the past he's literally begged me to forgive him for his painfully typical teenage spazzout phases (smoking, drinking, trying to act like one of the boys), and he begged me to take him back. What gets me is that he makes so much effort at times, others I feel like a spare part. My friends say that for some reason he makes effort, even wants me in his life, but they can't figure why he is the way he is with me, or his attitudes. Maybe without the long distance, something more would happen, but that aside... I just don't know. He says he doesn't feel the same as me now, but I recall from what he's said a few times that he thought he was leading me on before, so maybe he's not going to say anything even if he does like me 'cause there's no point? His feelings are fickle, so that might be why, I suppose. He said he wasn't willing to try with me again, 'cause he refused to hurt me and he was "unstable".

Plus he seems desperate for a relationship (at college) now, and we're less than ideal given the situation and atmosphere lately. Anyway. Now an "old friend" of his has shown up, and they're having this "great connection that's too good to be true"... he said how they're hanging out this week and probably "hooking up as a couple", so that last chick is out of the picture. :roll

Not five months ago it was me and him talking about how we wanted to be together, a month later he got his panties in a twist after a roadtrip and was all "I can't commit. Yes I want to be with you but it's not worth it, for you. I'm too immature. I can't put myself forth." blah blah. Then he got distant, worked like a crazy guy, didn't talk more than 3 times til our spat where he left. Come on... if he cared that much about me he'd have done something about it, not run away, right? Confused

Maybe I'm too much hard work in more ways than one, and we conflict too much? =/


.:: His stress outs ::.
I'm pretty open about stuff, he can be but when it comes to "our" issues, he doesn't address them. Instead he'll lash out at me, like how the other day I said he should perform the vox to his own song, not use his friend, and he bit my head off about it, saying "JESUS. you're really pushing my buttons here" -it was crazy. That aside, we had a truly great day of talking (all of which he was making effort) and clicking as we can so well.

Same crap happened last night, though, when he was trying to cover a certain song and failed. He kept cursing and saying he's frustrated beyond belief, then when he said "I'm just stubborn" 'cause I reacted, I said "No, you're just irritable" (he was being a pansy) and he basically stopped talking to me and disappeared like half hour later. When he came back a while later, he wasn't talking to me, and when I did approach him it was so stand-off-ish and making excuses. I could have hit him. It's a contrast to sometimes when he's all "HI HI HI" and all over me, even if it's about his music or whatever. I even woke up in the middle of the night, sat online for a lil while and he didn't approach me. (he's in a different time zone) Lame. Schizo much? o_O

There's also the case that he wrote/performed this one damned song that got me irritated/confused. He was going on to me about it so when I read the lyrics I swear to God it sounded personal... The good kind, but ugh... I don't let myself believe it might be aimed at me 'cause we're not "that way" anymore, I mean he doesn't feel the same so what was that about? Either he's clueless, or sadistic. And I don't even know for sure he'd describe me as he described the person he was effectively hoping to be like and with in the song. Definitely doesn't sound like any other chick he's been into, it referred to our disagreements and such. A friend who knows our situation was like, "Almost seems he's talking about you, but don't get your hopes up because he's teenagery and odd lately".


K that was a grueling essay. I'm honestly sorry. Thank you so much if you tried to piece all that together. Help? Sad

p.s. I am hanging in there because I believe in the fundamental good of this guy. I just need some strength at this point in time. Losing that hope right now will probably destroy my faith in anyone, so yeah. Optimists? :p
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Posted: 10-29-07 21:25pm

haha I bet writing this felt really good. The perfect vent. Very
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Ugh, he sounds like one of my ex's personality wise. He would talk in detail about ALL the girls he's been dating since we broke up. ::Barf:: I have an extremely high tolerance for this creep so I've always just sat back and listened to all his complaining and stories about new girls. But I pretty much just let him talk and then every once in awhile give a short input even though I don't exactly listen. He unfortunately still considers me a very close friend but I will admit that he has toned down and better now.

So you like this guy, but he acts crazy and his moods and actions are like roller coasters to you correct? I told you my story because I think you're in the same spot. You know he's a little crazy but you are willing to be friends. Pretty much all you can do is not get too worked up with what he says or does. Sometimes yes, its appropriate to argue with whatever ridiculous things he says, but otherrwise just roll your eyes and let it slide just so you can get through the conversation without wanting to beat him over the head with a big, blunt stick Wink

If you don't think you can do this sorta thing, which is understable-- I'm a little embarrassed that I do, then really just cut ties with him for a bit. Don't listen to his songs, don't answer his calls, don't anything. Especially if you aren't really over the guy. Give yourself some time to get over the guy.

However basing off my personal experience, I think that when you stop letting him get a rise out of you-- and move on yourself!-- he'll back off and become the nice guy you say is there.

Does this make sense? I had to come back to your story a few times so let me know if I didn't get everything right Very
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Posted: 10-30-07 04:43am

Did feel pretty good. ^_^

Thank you so much for taking the time to read. I know it's a lot, but it helps. <3

The thing is, I do consider him and me close, and I care for him a lot. We've been through a lot, at times we were kinda all each other had. Most times he pulls through even in these situations (longest time being this "weird" was like 4-5 months n_n). In the past he replied to a heartfelt letter I wrote, saying how he just couldn't deal with how close he gets to me but it's a flaw he needs to fix 'cause he does feel the same. If he's afraid of closeness, why is he chasing for that with these random crushes? And suddenly all like "Omg I see so many happy couples and I want that closeness" like it's something you can buy? o.O

If I'm honest, I do want him back, not even specifically the old version, just the non-retarded him. The problem with how he's acting, the hot and cold thing, it just makes me wonder why he bothers at all. And combined with how sometimes he's seriously keen on just talking about anything, as if just being with me is great, then others he's quiet and obviously angry or something. I mean... I can't say ANYTHING right. This weekend was great, then sunday the attitude turned...

Could he be like... schizo? or something? or just narcissistic? o_O


Last night was... interesting, though. He ignored me for like two hours online (note: I don't approach him first, 'cause frankly last few times I have he's distant or just being all ADHD-ish), suddenly he came to me saying "While we're being pissy with each other: ..." and gave me some random reply from a band we're both into. I mean... then he made conversation, and I wasn't in the best of moods but usually we just fall into decent convo. I mentioned ('cause I said how I WASN'T being pissy, just reacting to his pissiness) how I'd come online at like 4am after a bad dream, and he'd blanked me, he was just like "sorry" I mean... EVERYTHING turns to being about him. He says he wants friendship, but he can't deliver these days. He'll make effort with convo, but even then I don't get why.

Anyway he said "brb in a minute" so I waited. Ten minutes... half hour... almost an hour and I notice his screen name's changed. So I childishly made a mocking subtitle on mine and he went offline not long after. I was still signed into my other account (offline) since my latest email doesn't have all my emotes, and noticed he'd UNblocked me on there (he'd blocked me on there before, just not on my new one). Guess he wanted me to notice, but frankly I couldn't be bothered with him.

I mean, if he'd block me, it hardly means he gives a damn, right? Probably too busy chatting to his latest crush. Although he's said before that he blocks me when he's mad at me... but frankly nothing's being solved here. He's the one who as my friend says "Doesn't seem to know what he wants", and that his not knowing how to be straightforward with me or "affectionate" it because he doesn't even know what I mean to him. =/

So at this point, given his lash outs, mixed messages and general attitude, I'm super confused. I mean... he wonders why I get so irked at him, it's that kind of attitude (which is weirdly only since his latest crush of two weeks) that gets my back up.

Yeah I tolerate it, 'cause I do love the guy. I'm just not talking to him when he gets online til he apologises or talks about something other than bullshiz. I might even just do what he did and change screenname when he tries. Talking and letting his little spazzouts slide sure isn't helping, he just carries on, like last night. So you're right... I'm not letting him get a reaction, 'cause that's usually when he comes crawling back. And I've had practice with him being "gone" what with the time he left... so I can take dishing out some of my own casual attitude at him.


God I wanna scream right now. I know how I am, I honestly do... but how can ANYONE be THAT mixed up, self-involved and oblivious to their retardation as he is. -_-
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Posted: 10-30-07 09:03am

Are you trying to get back to a girlfriend/boyfriend kind of thing or just stay good friends?

Staying friends is relatively easy, but it involves a lot of patience. If you're looking for more then I'd have to advise against it. He's so up and down it will drive you crazy.

I think that when you find a new guy to be with, his erratic behavior would either stop or cool off. Normally I don't really like the whole you-don't-so-I-won't game but in this case I think its warranted. Stop talking to him for awhile, obviously not too long though. When he realizes you aren't gripping the sides of your desk waiting for his reply then maybe he'll learn to appreciate when you do answer a little more. But this plan can backfire pretty easily, so don't get too surprised if it doesn't work and he just gets angry. I don't know this guy personally so I'm not sure how he would react.
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Posted: 10-30-07 10:04am

Thank you, that makes sense. ^_^

Yes, I still have feelings for him. As he's being, friendship itself is what we need to focus on. And although I'd like more, like you say he's all over the place, and with his random crushes I guess I'm not that important or as simple. Or simply he just doesn't feel the same. Who knows.

Like when we go from good days and long friendly talks, then lash outs, or last night's stuff, it really confuses me. =/

I've realised a lot in the last few months, about how I can sometimes cause some of our problems with lash outs, being demanding, reading into things. I'm sure he'd like to list more issues with me, but not all of those are fair or even right, 'cause a lot of the time they're reactions to him or his attitude.

It's like a cycle, not sure where the ball started rolling but I just want him to respect me more, listen and it wouldn't kill him to genuinely give back once in a while. He's extremely self-involved, badly so... to the point where I feel embarrassed for him, but all those not-so-nice qualities aside, he's really a good and respectable guy who I adore.

I suppose I gotta deal with all this behaviourally, since letting him know things doesn't get through or he lets it slide. Like the issue with his crushes, or how he's continuing in a few irritating behaviours.

And you're right. I might just give him some breathing space, see if things calm down. He's not the type to get outwardly angry -at people or me, I'm not sure how to describe him... even though he can express his mood and environment/life, he's not really that emotional. He doesn't like being serious at all, discuss issues unless he's effectively defending himself (seems I get his back up at times, this week's lash outs aside -which weren't provoked at all), or say nice things to people he _supposedly_ cares for.

When we were super close, before he started work (finished now) or college, he was the same except when the need would arise he pulled through and was an amazing friend. And basically I was one of the few -possibly the one person he truly "let in". I wish I still felt that special to him.

Maybe he's having his teen phase... but I really hope we can get back that closeness, or maybe this drama and everything is ruining that. =/
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Posted: 10-30-07 11:20am

Nope, I doubt this will ruin all chances of friendship, and who knows what will happen in the future?

These random crushes? Maybe he's just trying to get you jealous. Again, who knows. And I'm sure you ARE important to him else he wouldn't even talk to you. When you do talk, try and keep it light and jokingly for awhile and see how that works. Anything else is a step backwards for the both of you. You've just got to be patient. Since you've been close before and he's been coming to you for problems I think you will be able to get things back on track. Just wondering though, do you go to him for problems to? If not then maybe try talking about your problems, even if you don't really think its a big deal, and ask for advice. Might as well give in and let him play hero for the sake off bringing him closer to you emotionally right?

How old is this guy that you think he's going through a teen phase? haha it does sound like PMS Very
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Posted: 10-30-07 11:59am

Thank you so much. Those are fantastic ideas. ^_^

He's 19, and you're so right... it's totally PMS. Haha. :p
I think he's just making up for the fact he's held back from peer pressure his whole life, along with his whole "I hate the idea of regrets" and other issues which he's striving/struggling to overcome. So I could be more tolerant... but he gets me so frustrated with his hot and coldness towards me... and his acting like a jerk in general. Last night REALLY irked me... and he's not talked to me today. n_n

I guess if I was just "some girl" he'd not make any effort, so maybe I'm a little important to him. Sometimes he's just so impossible to figure out and it makes me hostile, 'cause I want to understand. Again... he tolerates that side of me, so if I could turn that around into a positive, in theory we'd be great and close friends again. Hmmz.

I don't really go to him for problems, actually. Aside from my problems with him I don't really talk about my problems, I don't bottle them up... I don't think, but it makes me feel weird. Admittedly, I do lecture him at times, but he seems alright with it because he values my opinion and insight into him. Still... maybe I'm too serious too often... and let him get to me, 'cause he knows just how to drive me up the wall. n_n
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Posted: 10-30-07 12:28pm

haha I understand completely. And after reading what I said I've realized I'm such a pushover! Very
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But you don't even need to tell him really personal problems, could be something kind of dumb that you've already made up your mind about. I'm thinking maybe if he feels like you need him for support too he'll be a little more uh... stable?

Yeah, I think just acting like friends would be a good way to stay friends. Smile
A conversation doesn't always need to be serious. But I understand that he would probably turn the conversation in a way to make you cranky. Thats when you lecture, but quickly take it back to joking and happy conversation.
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Posted: 10-30-07 17:10pm

Ugh.
Well, he emailed me today about last night, and he was angry. It was a basic rant that said he thought my screen name was an attack on him and the girl (his crush). Also told me that he was gonna keep it a secret, but he's now dating her. -_-

Anyways, he said "You're right, I dunno why I'm trying to force a friendship with you, which it sometimes feel like I'm doing". And that we can hardly keep civil for more than 24 hours either side, and that that might not chance anytime soon, maybe never.

Then he said it's good to know that I loved him, but he's changed from the "creepy fat loser" he was and to summarise, he basically said I should move on.

So yeah. Thankfully I replied and clarified that bit about the lame screen name thing, 'cause he didn't get that it was a lyric, and took real dislike towards it to the point he said it had irritated him all night and even all of today (kinda graphic Rufus Wainwright lyric)... and basically he didn't see the non-horrid sub/title which was aimed at him. -_-
As well as explaining other stuff. I'll paste the rest below...

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"And I don't care how you were or are now, I care about WHO you are. I wasn't searching for some random kid to talk to, I just happened to meet you and I liked what I found, I thought you were the same with that. And I never said it [friendship] was ideal, or cool, but is it so easy for you to now brush off all the time and closeness we found in each other? I know it's easy to remember the caca and how that can ruin things, but can't you for one minute think over the great things?

Force a friendship? I thought you wanted to be friends. I know you'll probably not think much of what I'm going to say given how your mood and outlook, it feels like you think nothing of the friendship just because things are how they are (we can't even sit and talk, or anything), but when/if you want to talk about stuff... I promise I'll try not to be hostile or whatever. I don't handle things the best of ways... but at times I just get so mixed up and things like last night just aggravate.

And I know we can't always be civil but you confused me with your ignoring me after talking yesterday, as well as lashing out at me a few times, 'cause I just wanted to talk. I know I'm volatile, and there are things I haven't told you but I'm not going to go into them 'cause frankly if you are going to stay or talk to me, I don't want that out of guilt.

p.s. You have a bad memory. How can you tell me you value me one minute then turn around like this to shove me away again? Don't throw everything away, please.

p.p.s. If you're too pissed, careless or don't wanna talk to me, then I guess all I can say is that I do care about you, I swear. Please don't question that. I guess I just thought you cared about me too and it seems not so much. =/

p.p.p.s. I'm sure I missed a bunch of stuff, or failed at saying the words I could have, but this was unexpected to be fair. Hopefully you'll listen and give me a chance to talk, but if you don't want anything to do with me, what more can I say except it'll hurt losing you again.
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Yeah we do the p.p.p.p.p.p.s. thing a lot. haha.

He felt bad for getting that mixed up... and I suppose now I need to just breathe and let things calm down but I feel so weird. Another friend who's known him longer says he's just changed a lot, maybe we're both two totally different people in different points in life and we're just fed up with each other. But the fact he's making effort, I mean he could have walked away if he didn't see the point, so hopefully this friendship can work. He still values me, and I value him. Help? D:

Or maybe I guilt tripped him. But honestly... a month ago he came back to restore our friendship after some other random crush that went bad. It's this damned teenage maleness... I hate the thought of him and her, but don't wanna let my mind go there. -_-


Basically... I dunno how to keep strong here, for myself and for everything. How do I get over him when I care about him so much? And is there a chance he's experiencing life (his first relationship where it's not long distance) and as he's done in the past letting things with me slide because of it. Is there a hope that if we do drift apart, things can pick up when we're both more... stable, I guess? =/
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Posted: 10-30-07 20:42pm

I know, it really sucks to try and get over a guy. I'm so sorry you are in this situation! I feel like such a wench telling you this but you need to realize he's moving on. You have to too. If you aren't ready for a new guy then at least stop playing with the notion of getting back together with this guy. If it happens, let it happen because its meant to be, not because you've been holding off for months or years while he explores his options. That’s not right. You shouldn’t wait for him.

You're never going to like the idea of him with another girl. I still get annoyed seeing any of my past boyfriends happy with some other chick and I'm more than happy in my own relationship. I don't know why, but I think I always go back to thinking why I couldn't make that guy happy. Which is stupid. I just wasn't right for them. Just as you may not be right for him and maybe he’s not right for you. Make sense?
***It has nothing to do with what either one is lacking as a person!***

When you ask if things can pick back up and be more stable, I'd think yes. But you are going to have to just give it time. I’m not saying give up hope for all friendship, but just don’t rush it. Things will work out Smile
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Posted: 10-30-07 20:50pm

Some friends have cheered me up tonight, and I'm actually finding it amusing that he's yet again blocked me. No idea why but he still hasn't blocked my old account so he's probably just careless, though it's odd since he'd blocked it before yesterday errr.... I'm sidetracked. So yeah.

Methinks he's just basking in his latest romance.

I'm giving him space, letting him wise up or whatever if need be and just not chasing him. I think I've become a bit of a backup for him, hence why he comes back when his relationships fail. So seems time to stand up for myself, whatever that means for our future as friends and such or otherwise. D:

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Posted: 10-30-07 21:02pm

Yay! I'm happy to hear of your revelation! It's good you have close friends to help you through it!

Just don't think about him for awhile. This whole blocking on msn thing is kind of juvenile and really not worth your time.

No problem. I'm glad you've got things figured out a little more.
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Posted: 10-30-07 21:08pm

wow


you guys type ALOT
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Posted: 10-30-07 21:14pm

I've got workstudy Tuesday and Thursday mornings. Smile

And as long as I'm finished with my homework I spend a lot of time fartin' around on forums.

Besides, short answers never work for relationship stuff anyways.
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Posted: 10-30-07 21:15pm

true true
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Posted: 11-09-07 11:06am

So... he hasn't spoken to me since. I'm so confused. Sad

It's like a relapse to the time he met that chick and left for a month *shudder*... maybe he doesn't care for me or our friendship when he's got some new girl to focus on (always seems that way). Dunno if his new relationship is working out... he started dating her on the Monday, the 30th or something. Why has he suddenly decide to cut ties with me again? Why does a relationship mean he can't talk to me? Why was he SO unbelievably hostile?

I can't believe he's being this way AGAIN. What the hell is it with that BOY? What was with his coming back, the lashouts as well as the flirtations -no, he isn't a natural "flirter". He HATES when people lead others on... what the hell was it all about? My instincts on these things are usually right, something doesn't fit, here. =/

It's like we're some old married couple arguing and then connecting and now he goes and treats me like this. What was the significance in throwing me away again when he finally got his much-wanted "college relationship"? What the hell AM I? Is this that I'm "no big deal" or "too much effort" or "avoided but difficult 'interest' ". God my head.

I don't know what to do. I don't know what to think. Anyone got some ideas on why the hell he's pulled away again? Please? Why has he been acting like such an ASS lately? Why the hell can't he ever just say things straight up without being an insensitive jerk? *sigh*

My head just can't take it all in. Can't think why but I feel like I need to understand, or just figure something. -_-
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Posted: 11-09-07 13:43pm

Look hun, this isn't going to solve itself in a little over a week. It wil take a month or probably longer you know? The boy is self centered. To. The. Max. He's not going to change just after a week of not talking and he might not ever change.

And any guy can say they hate "leading people on" but it doesn't mean they won't. He may not even think he's doing it, especially considering how self centered he is.

What are your instincts saying by the way?

Don't know what to do? You sound like you've got some great friends. Be with them. Go out and have fun. And don't think of this boy for awhile. It's just going to drive you nuts because its impossible to understand him. College is time when you learn your true friends from high school and gain new ones. It sucks, but sometimes even the closest high school friendships can come up short in college when there's distance involved.

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If you feel like you're going to cave and start a conversation with him then I suggest you keep it light. No arguing. If that starts then be the mature woman you are, and remove yourself from the situation and try again another day. Arguing will only be backwards for you.
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Posted: 11-09-07 14:55pm

Thank you so much. ^_^

My instincts are saying that he still cares about me, that I'm "something". Otherwise I can't see why he came back at all since he apparently "has it together" at college, something he said when he returned late September. I don't fit into his life, yet he came back for me, then with the chick on the scene it's like he doesn't want to bother. Part of me says alright, maybe that's 'cause I'd get jealous and he's giving me time to get over him. Another says he doesn't want to risk his new relationship because maybe he's worried he'll start liking me "that way" again. We're like an old married couple, and the flirting thing he did, it was outright -he's a conscious guy, and it just kinda struck me. Plus those lyrics, that song he wrote, he was so in my face about it and it could have easily be written to me if we were still "together".

He's beyond extreme about the leading people on thing. If I so much as mention to him about guys interested in me, he goes off on one "say no, don't lead him on" and can go on for like ten minutes about how it could get me in dangerous situations or break the guy's heart. He's so weird. O.O

A friend says he'll probably talk again, but it'll be if/when things go wrong with the new girl. I kinda want to be mad at him if he does, which he'll expect, but I want to scream at him. I want to let him know how I love and hate him, the way he runs off like I'm nothing, the way I'm the only real friend in our now poor excuse for a friendship. How can he care about me if he's not even around to be half a friend? Teenage self-centredness? x_x

Maybe it's wishful thinking, given how he's being right now. Something just tells me that he wants what he wants right now, and like he said once about us back in Jan "This is one dream that I won't hold onto forever because I know how these things go 99% of the time". He's very logical, mind over heart. Whereas I'm heart over mind, occasionally lashing out 'cause I have so much passion for him, misdirected - ya know? I wish I wasn't that way, 'cause I can be cliché agro female.

He's determined to push his past away, hell he mentioned how he's maybe getting a tattoo with "Kiss your past goodbye" on it, stuff like that... so maybe I'm tainted with being a part of that past. He has that whole lame "American dream" attitude.

I'm doing a lot better than I did last time he left, but grief/anger/upset hits me in waves. If this weren't long distance, I wouldn't ask myself "is this love?", and if it isn't then no way do I want to feel the real deal. x_x Missing him is sometimes too much to take, and it feels weak.

I can't approach him, I'm still blocked as far as I know, although his profile is still there he hasn't logged in for over a week. I've blocked him on MSN, 'cause I think if we do talk it needs to be through emails so we can both gather our thoughts. You're right, though, it's too much of a mess right now and he's beyond narcissistic.

I noticed a reply of his to a thread in the music forum on the site we met/sometimes talk on, about inspiration to writing music, he was all like: "Exhaustion, heartbreak, bad relationships, drinking, drugs, and general unhappiness has done wonders for my writing, too". Angst queen, he is. I know college was badly stressing him out, too, and he had health issues, and now with him being in his first official relationship. Ugh. Guess I'm sidelined and I don't think I'll believe anything more because he turns away so easily.

Sorry that was really long. I could rant for England. D:
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Posted: 11-10-07 02:03am

Trust me; I love to rant, but I also love to listen, so rant away! Wink

Ok, there are a lot of reasons he's ignoring you, many of which you've named and I'll go with those because they are very practical. Whatever his reasons for not wanting to be with you-- even if they don't make sense to you-- the point is that he's trying to move on. I don't know why he doesn't think you could be together, but you shouldn't feel the need to sit and wait for him to crawl back to you. You are really at an age where this game he's playing-- isn't worth it. It's so junior high! Get out with your friends and live your life without him for awhile! If/when he does come back; hopefully he will be more mature and then you can continue a relationship as you see fit. But if you get hung up on him for too long, you may regret it later on.

When the two of you were together-- like dating-- was it up and down like this?

This is not love, not the head-over-heals--I'll-grow-old-with-you love anyways. I'm not trying to belittle your feelings, but love is so much more satisfying than being "sidelined" for an unknown amount of time. You're hurt right now. He's treating you like crap, and you shouldn't wait around and just take it. That's not even close to love, so please stop tossing it around in your head so you can move on emotionally. Sorry if that sounds harsh—I’m kind of blunt and I’m not sure of a nicer way to say that without it sounding too nice. Sad

Your passion for him is misdirected-- you remind me so much of my friend back home! Please show more sense than her and stop waiting for him to change. She's so miserable sometimes and it’s hard to get her out of it. Things have a very slim chance of change hun, are you sure you want to spend your time waiting for it to happen or even trying to make it happen? Are you sure it will be worth it?

Eh, sorry this post may seem really mean. But you are sounding so much like my friend alex-- its unreal. And she's been in this situation for as long as I remember. Too much heart and no head can really work against you sometimes!
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Posted: 11-10-07 09:57am

Eh, I probably need some meanness. I know I'm foolish, but this isn't the first time we've been in a bad state. He's come to his senses several times, practically crawls back to me saying I'm what he truly wants, his "real/great friend in the least", or that he feels "that way" about me. And it's not like I'm looking for love or anything. I'm not all "Move on and find someone" 'cause relationships have never been my priority. Sparks happen when they happen, as far as I'm concerned. Hell, maybe he's found that with his latest hippy chick... almost as bad as when he met that chick just before he left for a month. Just sounded forced... somehow.

The dilemma is mind-blowing, though, the situation. I guess I need to focus on being happy, not letting him bring me down just by not being here. He's in college, until 2011, and God knows whether he'll bother trying to fix things with me now he's got someone -seems our friendship isn't worth his time now he's got his first "official" girlfriend. Clearly I'm not a priority anymore, but his coming back just threw me, the things he said, the way he put forth effort (and believe me, he's not remotely the type to bother with people he doesn't care about)... now with him running away again... it's just ugh. So yet again I'm left confused with the happenings I mentioned. I guess he could be trying to move on, and the fact that he can do that doesn't really suggest he feels that much for me, I don't think. Not as much as I feel for him, obviously.

When we were together it was great, but the long distance thing was an obstacle, like we couldn't do enough for each other, or be official. He described that problem as "Depressing" at times, but even with that said, he made the effort and took chances and again, he's just not the type to bother unless he truly wants something. We're like kindred spirits, but it's like the problem of distance turned us into monsters. His angst-ridden mood swings along with my knowing what I want but never quite saying it as I should without female "clinginess". And I really would take a chance on him. If things were as great as I think they'd be, I'd happily grow old with him and all that cliché stuff. Not saying I'm "in love", but I care about him so much, I do have love for the guy, but right now I don't much like him.

And no it wasn't up and down when we were "together". Just as I described, it was frustrating even though we care(d) about each other. We both have our "off" days, his turned him into an apathic thoughtless teenaged brat, and made me outright hostile and "difficult" -his word for me.

As things are right now, I'm so disappointed in him, that he's turned away like this AGAIN as soon as there's a new interest on the scene. I don't feel like I should forgive him, and I hope he'll fight hard for my forgiveness if he cares enough to. Kinda like I don't want to let him just get away with this whole turn tail and run attitude. I want him to prove himself, if I'm worth that much to him, even just as "friends". He said when he came back, "I haven't proved myself to you" and such. God, so many puzzle pieces that won't fit together in my head. x_x

Perhaps he thinks that I hate him, again. I'm too angry with him for being this way to even disagree with him. Why should I make any effort at all? =/

I'm not sure of much, except I would regret it if I gave up hope altogether. He came back for me when there was no need. All those seemingly silly little things, but I suppose I'll never know why he is the way he is with me.
It's just hard, knowing he's so far in so many ways, being a painfully typical teen. I guess it's easier for him to find someone there and brush me to the back of his mind. =/
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