I agree. I feel incredibly sorry she didn't know abortion was a perfectly moral option, and felt she had to kill her own child instead. Her life is now ruined, all because of the pro-life doctrine.

Hey, she gave birth. That's all pro-life cares about.

This is LITERALLY throwing away a baby. Abortion is not.

I can't see your post Marianne, all I've got is a blank page. I can see Eiri's reply.

Here's her post:

Thanks Eiri!

That's just heartbreaking. The girl could have been in denial about her pregnancy or didn't realise she was pregnant. I can't believe she would have planned in advance to murder her child.

I don't think she deserves the death penalty. I think her mental state needs to be looked into.

I understand her fears...she probably didn't want to tell her parents out of fear of angering them. If she has a boyfriend, maybe she feared him leaving her if she told him about her condition. If she bought into pro-life BS, she probably figured aborting the thing made her a m/urderer. She freaked out and wanted to hide the evidence of the situation and move on with her life...I don't blame her. She doesn't need to be put to death because she was scared...mental help, maybe. Also, does Kentucky even have the drop-off laws? And wouldn't some eyebrows be raised if she left her dorm with a newborn and came back without? I feel bad for her because she probably worked her tail off to get that scholarship and then it got blown all to hell probably because of pro-liar BS.

A little OT, but I once had a dream similar to this story...I dreamt I got knocked up and kept it a secret, gave birth in my dorm and then killed the waif and disposed of it in the river. Only differences were I did not get caught and it didn't actually happen in real life, but this was an extremely vivid dream - perhaps the most clear dream I've ever had, to the point where I knew the time of night (1 a.m.) and how far along I was when I gave birth (7 months), and under what bridge I disposed of the body and in what particular area under that bridge. I also was not sad or frightened or upset the next day - I felt more relieved and relaxed than I had in a long time. This dream happened shortly after a time when I feared I was pregnant (I thankfully was not).

I took it as a warning of what would befall a waif born to me and promised myself to never ever allow myself to be swayed away from my lifestyle choice by the stupid people who tell me I'll love a baby once I have one. No - a dream that vivid coming to a childfree person isn't a coincidence. The scariest part is through the entire dream, I felt no remorse whatsoever. There was far greater detail involved in the dream (as in I recall exactly how the homicide progressed), but I know someone will get huffy about it - like I intended to have that dream - so I'll refrain from sharing the more explicit details.

That's just terrible for everyone involved.

Yeah, that ^.

I do not think she should be sentenced to death. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I agree. She needs some serious psychiatric help from a pro-choice psychiatrist who won't fill her full of more guilt. She needs love and caring right now, and a lot of it.

If I were prolife, I would be on your case for this.

No one knows why she made this decision.

That's terrible. That poor baby drowned to death in a toilet. I'm sorry, but my sympathy for the mother is... somewhat lacking. I can appreciate the stress and panic she must have experienced, so please don't. I just can't feel very sorry for her. Maybe I'm a terrible person.

It doesn't matter WHY she made the decision. The outcome is a murder trial, a lost scholarship, and a ruined life. But she's from Kentucky. Call me biased, but I'd bet money she didn't tell anyone and she didn't abort because everyone around her was pro-life. This could all have been avoided with a LEGAL medical procedure.

yup. Or it all could have been avoided with proper sex ed.

That too

You are a stereotyping queen. Geezus.

[Jude-Love, we need you!!!]

Maybe she didn't abort because aborting would have meant actually telling someone and she was either utterly terrified or in total denial?

Killing a child in the womb or outside of the womb, whats the difference. Yes she could have legaly killed the child before birth but not after thats it. Abortion is 100% not a moral choice, it is a legalised choice but it is not a moral choice.

She killed her child.... was it due to "pro life doctrine" or was it due to pro choice ideology, or simply mental anguish of some other root cause. logically who knows what the woman was thinking when she killed her child perhaps she felt that if it were morally acceptable to kill a child in the womb then although ilegal it was still morally acceptable to kill a newborn child?

Perhaps she didnt have an abortion due to christian pro life people around her, but it seems a sensless thought process if she considered that killing the child after birth would be deemed any less immoral, it is therefore my view that it is probably not due to pro life christian "peer presure"

Probably not due to pro choice ideology but probably down to mental angusish brought about some other root cause, not pro life arguments or pro choice arguments. The woman was clearly suffering some sort of mental illness we should not judge her or on her actions since we do not know her state of mind ect, what she did was clearly immoral, clearly wrong but she needs our prayers not condemnation, she needs help, she is obviously very troubled.

Well I dont get since she made it that far.. and if she didnt want to keep the baby... why didnt she just give it up for adoption.
... or don't they have those safe havens down there.. where they can just drop off the baby at a hospital with no questions asked.. and they will take it to an adoption place from there.

I have no empathy for her.. I just feel sorry for that little baby that was a victim in all this.

Going with my 'pure terror' theory from earlier- giving it up for adoption or dropping it off at a hospital would mean acknowledging it. People do strange, irrational things sometimes.

I agree with the last paragraph or so of Guest's post, but the first two... You don't seriously believe that, do you? That a college-age girl would think "Oh, it's okay to terminate a pregnancy, so it must be okay to kill a live baby!" It's kind of THE LAW that you aren't allowed to kill a born child. By the time you're in college, you should be able to distinguish morality from legality.

Young women, for reasons known only to them, probably know good and well in their hearts and minds that Yes, they are pregnant, No, it is not going away, and at the end of the nine months a baby is going to be born.

This girl, obviously going to Bellarmine, was a Catholic girl who knows the santity of life. Did she get counseling, probably not unless she sought it out. Did she know that she could without a doubt have a safe place to leave her child, questions unasked? Probably. But, she probably just kept pushing it to the back of her mind until, guess what? Here comes the baby.

Young women who hide their pregnancy from their family is certainly not new. It happens all the time. Women who work in the fields, just keep working until the baby shows up. Sometimes, they trow them into the garbage bins at the back of gas stations.

My question is: how can any woman hide her condition to the point that NOONE has the slightest clue that she is pregnant? And, didn't this girl have a roommate at college? Surely, you live in pretty close proxcimity when you are in a dorm room.

Is will always be a total mystery to me where some of you say, abortion is not killing a baby, but the actual birth and then killing of a child is homicide. Please! Life is sacred. Period.

And, furthermore, where have some of you already somehow felt this girl has gone through the legal system, been sentenced to death and will die for this crime? Somehow, must have missed that one.

My beautiful, intelligent 26 year old granddaughter was here visiting me from Alaska where she is studying to become a nurse.

Nicole's comment was, "If you are woman enought to spread your legs, then you should be woman enough to accept the consequences of what happens as a result." I agree.

Roberta