As an educated, unwed, pregnant teen, I
would like to add on grammar note: some
handbooks call for an apostrophe in the
plural forms of numbers, letters, and
words used as words.
School isn't everything. My mom was a
principal at a private school, and I hated
school with a passion. With all her years
of learning to get her masters, my dad(a
high school dropout) still makes more
money than her. He has been at the same
job for 20+ years so it all goes back to
character. Some people, in my opinion, are
not cut out to be parents. I work with
kids from 15 months to 11 years every day,
and I see so many irresponsible parents it
makes me want to be a better one. I mean,
who forgets to pick up their child from
daycare??? Or leaves town and doesn't
bother getting someone else to pick up
their child??? Being a parent is a BIG
responsibility. My pregnancy was neither
planned nor prevented, but I will be
responsible and take parenting seriously.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 10-30-07 23:12pm
Oh certainly marriage and an education
does not instantly make someone parenting
material.
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blondie_e
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Posted: 10-30-07 23:17pm
thats not what i said. i said if u have a
good stable job and you are very
intelegent you will make a better life for
your child. well at least ideally you
should.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 10-30-07 23:23pm
blondie_e
wrote:
thats not what i said. i
said if u have a good stable job and you
are very intelegent you will make a better
life for your child. well at least ideally
you should.
I know; I was agreeing with you :/
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sillyakchick
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Posted: 10-31-07 06:29am
I don't think marriage is a pre-requisite
for having children, it's just the path
that I chose. I waited for 8 years after
beinf married to have my children because
i wanted to enjoy my life with my husband
for a while.
There's this really interesting phonomena
happening that I read about recently (and
I am sorry I can't remember exactly which
juornal it was from...I think it was the
Journal of Marriage and Family
development) Anyway, it stated that a
great percentage of couples who had
children right away instead of waiting
until furhter along into their
relationship experienced a greatly
increased amount of marital stress when
their children finished high school and
left the family home. They hypothesized
that since children had always been the
focal point of their relatioinship, they
suddenly found themselves with nothing in
common, having spent their first eighteen
years or so of marriage caught up in the
whirlwind of parenting. Pretty
interesting stuff. It's a relatively new
phenomenon as well. Prior to the women's
lib movment of the 1970's, women were
expected to have their children within the
first year or two of marriage. Maybe we
have come to expect a lot more form our
rrelationships these days, I don't know,
but I never really thought about the long
term repurcussions of this.
As for the debate, Future, i am not sure
why some people prefer to have children
first and marriage later. Many times, I
think it was a "woops" situation and when
the options were weighed, marriage was not
the first priority, and I can understand
that. The last thing I would have wanted
to do when I was prego was plan and have a
wedidng. As for those who choose to do it
without a marriage commitment, I assume
that they believe the fiber of their
relationship is strong enough withotu the
marriage ertificate and ceremony to have
children.
As for the childish portion of this
debate, Lets look at a few things:
Money doesn't mean everything, but it is
certainly helpful. let me be first to
inform you that graduatioin from high
school or college does not mean you will
make millions anymore. It helps, but it's
not a shoo in. I do think that if you
can't possibly afford to have children,
then you should wait, save up some money,
and not rely on the state to help you.
Accidents DO happen, and that is what
state aid is for.
Education means a lot to me, I think it is
incredibly important. If I had it to do
over again, I would have gotten my
Master's degree prior to having children.
For many women, educational opportunities
cease to happen upon the birth of a child
and seldom resume later in life. That is
a statistical fact. Although I have my
own axe to grind in regard to public
education, I would never ever allow my
children to drop out of school, despite
their circumstances.
I am sure that if we all sat down and
acted like adults we would agree that it
is EASIER to raise a child when one has a
stable job and has finished their
education? Yes? no? So let's act like
the adults that we all insist that we are
and really look at the question the OP has
put forth instead of resulting to petty
arguments, Okay?
*Moderator gets out key for lock
button....
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 10-31-07 07:17am
sillyakchick
wrote:
As for the debate, Future, i am not sure
why some people prefer to have children
first and marriage later. Many times, I
think it was a "woops" situation and when
the options were weighed, marriage was not
the first priority, and I can understand
that. The last thing I would have wanted
to do when I was prego was plan and have a
wedidng.
I get that, but I specifically wanted to
know about those who had children on
purpose, as the next part of your post
addresses:
sillyakchick
wrote:
As for those who choose to do it without
a marriage commitment, I assume that they
believe the fiber of their relationship is
strong enough withotu the marriage
ertificate and ceremony to have children.
But why not just get the certificate?
sillyakchick
wrote:
As for the childish portion of this
debate, Lets look at a few things:
Money doesn't mean everything, but it is
certainly helpful. let me be first to
inform you that graduatioin from high
school or college does not mean you will
make millions anymore. It helps, but it's
not a shoo in. I do think that if you
can't possibly afford to have children,
then you should wait, save up some money,
and not rely on the state to help you.
Accidents DO happen, and that is what
state aid is for.
Many teens on these forums that want
children seem oblivious to this.
sillyakchick
wrote:
Education means a lot to me, I think it is
incredibly important. If I had it to do
over again, I would have gotten my
Master's degree prior to having children.
For many women, educational opportunities
cease to happen upon the birth of a child
and seldom resume later in life. That is
a statistical fact. Although I have my
own axe to grind in regard to public
education, I would never ever allow my
children to drop out of school, despite
their circumstances.
Me neither. I wonder what the parents of
all of these unwed teen mothers are
thinking???
sillyakchick
wrote:
I am sure that if we all sat down and
acted like adults we would agree that it
is EASIER to raise a child when one has a
stable job and has finished their
eductation.
Thanks for helping me get my point and
question across, , but I don't think
many here agree with that last part.
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blondie_e
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Posted: 10-31-07 08:37am
I am only 17 and agree to every word
sillyakchick said.
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sillyakchick
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Posted: 10-31-07 11:11am
My original post was completely riddled
with horrid misspellings. You can thank
my cat for that!
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very-confused
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Posted: 10-31-07 12:16pm
i think that people dont wait because of
pressure sometimes.
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Mommy35
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Posted: 10-31-07 12:24pm
Sometimes they think it's going to be a
lot easier than it actually is. It seems
the topic of raising kids always goes back
to money and it takes a heck of a lot more
than money to raise a good kid.
I know some really poor people that have
the greatest kids.
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young Girl
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Posted: 11-01-07 13:52pm
Mommy35
wrote:
Sometimes they think it's
going to be a lot easier than it actually
is. It seems the topic of raising kids
always goes back to money and it takes a
heck of a lot more than money to raise a
good kid.
I know some really poor people that have
the greatest
kids.
thats very true and im so glad you raised
this point! money is not everything! it
ceratinly helps but its not the only or
the most important part of being a parent!
love is
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kaerbear
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Posted: 11-02-07 13:15pm
Did anyone think about the fact that
pregnancy can happen by accident but
marriage doesn't? You can be in a
relationship with someone and suddenly
find yourself pregnant even though you've
been using birth control but you don't
just wake up married one day and say "oh
what happened?" It takes a long time to
come to the decision and then you have to
save up your money and make all the plans
etc. If you find yourself pregnant with
someone you planned to marry and have a
family with in the future anyway, then it
doesn't seem like such a big deal. I
would have preferred to be married first
but it will happen and we are comitted to
each other anyway. To me, having a child
with someone entails the same kind of
committment that a marriage does anyway,
in some ways it is more binding.
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Katrinadoodle
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Posted: 11-02-07 15:11pm
Some people don't believe in marriage. Why
stay celibate your whole life?
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Re: Why Don't People Wait 'til They're Married to Have Child Posted: 11-02-07 18:54pm
futureshock
wrote:
What is the big
rush?
Why don't people wait to have children
before they're married? Easy. Accidents
happen. Birth control fails. Some women
choose to abort, some choose to bear their
kids. I chose to keep my pregnancy and it
turned out to be the best thing ever for
me.
Also, the divorce rate is so high these
days. Over 50% of marriages fail. With
those rates, I'll take my "common law
marriage." Plus, divorce is expensive.
Lawyers, assets, etc.
Everything gets split 50/50. Sometimes
it's not a good financial decision to get
married. Children aren't always asked for,
sometimes they are pleasant surprises, as
I like to refer to my Kyleigh-bug
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 11-02-07 19:59pm
Thanks. I specifically was curious about
people having children on purpose before
they are married and before they can
afford it, though.
I'm glad things worked out for you,
though.
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Mommy35
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Posted: 11-02-07 20:26pm
IMO I think for some people they think
that a child is going to fill some void in
their lives. They need someone that loves
them for who they are. I don't think all
the people that have children before they
are ready really know what they are in
for. Some may think that kids are really
cute and wouldn't it be great to have one,
but they don't take into consideration
that the little person they just brought
into the world is a huge responsibility
that needs love, attention, a roof over
their head, food, etc. They may know (or
have heard) that they get up in the night,
but they may not realize that child
doesn't care if your tired or not feeling
well, they want their needs met now.
Sorry that you had your heart set on
buying that new outfit you want, the kid
needs a new jacket and boots. Parenting
takes sacrafice and I'm not sure a lot of
people that have kids realize it.
I don't know if the average couple could
actually ever financially prepare for a
child. I have heard people say, "if you
wait until you can afford kids you'll be
too old to enjoy them". Money isn't
really the most important part, maturity
is.
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 11-07-07 14:26pm
Actually you can be financially ready for
children. Besides that point, I agree
with all that you said.
Since I first asked his question I've done
a lot of research. One reason why young
teens have children on purpose keeps
coming up, and that is they actually think
it is a career choice. They don't like
school, don't want to go to college, can't
think of a career that they would like, so
they choose motherhood.
AS IF that were a career choice!
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angelinhiseyes2007
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I have nothing against single parents but
ideally I do think a child should have
both a mother and father who love each
other.
Personally, if you're a person who
believes in marriage, you should wait
until you're married to have a child. That
way it grows up in a (hopefully) stable
home with two parents.
well i honestly think that as long as the
people are in love that they do not need
to get married if that feel that they are
married at heart legaly if the birth
father is in the child life the dna and
the last name is all they need to have
legal rights to them. my husband and i
were not married before we got pregnant
and honestly were not planing on children
for a while anyway but we are having a
little girl and we are so in love that i
can no imagion not haveing a life without
him married or not. we got married because
of family,living, and work arraingments
his family does not believe in children
out of wedlock, we would not have a place
to live with out being married and i would
not have a job without being married..
because i work in a church i would have to
resign because we were not married and we
are living together and having a baby...
other than that we were not going to get
married until we wanted to but that does
not change how we feel about each other or
how good of parents we are going to be..
my parents were not married and yet they
raised me just fine.. i see nothing wrong
with having children and not being married
as long as the parents love each other or
in some cases can be civil to one another
for the childs sake just because parents
are not together does not mean that they
are not good parents or that they care or
love their children any less..
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Posted: 12-02-07 06:49am
In an ideal world getting married before
having a child would be ideal. But like
people have said things don't always work
out like that.
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sociable_recluse
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Posted: 12-14-07 12:50pm
Eiri
wrote:
Personally, I would have a problem with
raising a child out of wedlock. A child is
something I want to share with a partner,
not something I want to do alone.
*shrug*
After having done the "partner" and child
thing, i'm now the opposite
In the future it will be a case of partner
OR another child, but certainly not both.