I mean embryo, fetus,
baby.. all the same thing basically... a
miracle.
Not to all women they aren't (a miracle I
mean) and they actually aren't the same
thing (especially to many of us on this
board) but yes women are perfectly valid
in mourning a miscarriage and if they want
to see it as losing a baby then that is
their choice (which I think everyone has
agreed on during this thread).
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 10-29-07 10:11am
Breizzy,
Every single thing you wrote in your last
post is irrelevant. If you would just
take a breath and seriously listen to what
I am trying to tell you, you will
understand that I was not saying anything
like what you think I was saying.
First of all,
Having a miscarriage and mourning it,
whenever it happens, is perfectly valid
and understandable. Calling even a
fertilized egg a "baby" is perfectly fine,
in my opinion. I have a child, I was
pregnant, and I called her a "baby" before she was
even conceived.
However, those situations are valid
because the woman knows she didn't really
miscarry an actual infant, with arms,
legs, head, face, eyes, ears, nose, mouth,
capable of feeling, crying, being scared,
etc. etc.
BUT, can you imagine the additional horror
of having a miscarriage that was the
equivalent of a STILLBORN? An actual
whole, intact, living, breathing, felling,
infant dying is WORLDS AWAY from an embryo
dying.
SO, I just wanted to make sure this teen
was not experiencing the horror of
imagining the loss of an actual living,
breathing, feeling, suffering infant, on
top of the mourning of the loss of her
pregnancy.
Now, if you are going to argue that the
death of an embryo and the death of a
child are the same thing, have at it.
Just leave me out, because I will never
agree.
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Rodge
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Posted: 10-29-07 10:13am
Had she said anything to indicate that she
thought that, or were you just being
patronising?
Seriously, let's have some context. It
might make you look like less of an ass!
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Breizzy
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Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 40 Location: ,
Posted: 10-29-07 12:25pm
futureshock
wrote:
Breizzy,
Every single thing you wrote in your last
post is irrelevant. If you would just
take a breath and seriously listen to what
I am trying to tell you, you will
understand that I was not saying anything
like what you think I was saying.
First of all,
Having a miscarriage and mourning it,
whenever it happens, is perfectly valid
and understandable. Calling even a
fertilized egg a "baby" is perfectly fine,
in my opinion. I have a child, I was
pregnant, and I called her a "baby" before she was
even conceived.
However, those situations are valid
because the woman knows she didn't really
miscarry an actual infant, with arms,
legs, head, face, eyes, ears, nose, mouth,
capable of feeling, crying, being scared,
etc. etc.
BUT, can you imagine the additional horror
of having a miscarriage that was the
equivalent of a STILLBORN? An actual
whole, intact, living, breathing, felling,
infant dying is WORLDS AWAY from an embryo
dying.
SO, I just wanted to make sure this teen
was not experiencing the horror of
imagining the loss of an actual living,
breathing, feeling, suffering infant, on
top of the mourning of the loss of her
pregnancy.
Now, if you are going to argue that the
death of an embryo and the death of a
child are the same thing, have at it.
Just leave me out, because I will never
agree.
You know... whatever.. you need to
actually read what i post instead of
making your own stuff up.
I said NOTHING about stillborn babies..
nor would i EVER minimize any of that...
cuz i know that is rough.
I know TOO well about stillborn.. or how
about giving birth and holding your baby
and watching her DIE in your arms gasping
for AIR!!!!
But i meantioned nothing about that..
before help could get there.
My whole thing was aout your comment about
if your gonna mourn a m/c at 7 weeks..
then mourn your period. Those are two
totally separate things. If ther was a
m/c when the period showed up on time...
the woman didnt know about it if she didnt
test and thought her period was ontime..
or just a day or so late.... by 7 weeks u
know you are pregnant most of the time....
Maybe u should go back and read my post
again. Cuz apparently you read something
that mine did not contain. I said NOTHINg
about stillborn.... Again i would NEVER
minimize that. Please don't minimize
anything that anyone else would go through
either.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 10-29-07 13:18pm
Futureshock is saying this:
If you are sexually active, there is no
way for you to know for SURE that your
latest period wasn't actually a
miscarriage unless you're testing for
pregnancy every single day. So, since
there is a chance you just miscarried, you
should be sad every single month because a
potential baby could have just died.
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Breizzy
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 40 Location: ,
Posted: 10-29-07 14:39pm
Eiri
wrote:
Futureshock is saying this:
If you are sexually active, there is no
way for you to know for SURE that your
latest period wasn't actually a
miscarriage unless you're testing for
pregnancy every single day. So, since
there is a chance you just miscarried, you
should be sad every single month because a
potential baby could have just
died.
Excuse me...
I do mourn every period cuz i have been
trying to concieve...
And NO you don't mourn every period...
because, if you dont know you are
pregnant.. then it a totally different.
And if your period come ontime and you
happened to have been pregnant.. it is
called chemical cuz from 7-10dpo.. to when
your period is due... you are not even
fully implanted.
At 7 weeks They have a heartbeat. You can
see it on a u/s if they are not dead
already. There is a reason to mourn and
not MOURN your period.
Like I said.. if oyu don't know... then
you won't mourn.
Sorry to be soo blunt.. but you were
bringing up things about Stillborn, and
baby's born too soon.. and I didnt.
Whether, it is a early m/c or a late one..
it still hurts...
and people can mourn and that's all that
is about it.
If she wanted to claim it as a baby.. than
that is fine
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Moo
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Posted: 10-29-07 15:34pm
Breizzy
wrote:
If she wanted to claim it as a baby.. than
that is fine
And no-one has said otherwise
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Birch
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Posted: 10-29-07 22:01pm
You inspired me to look up the definition
of the word "miracle", Breizzy.
I found this:
1. An event that appears inexplicable by
the laws of nature and so is held to be
supernatural in origin or an act of God:
“Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot
be summoned, but come of themselves”
(Katherine Anne Porter).
2. One that excites admiring awe. See
synonyms at wonder.
3. A miracle play.
I'm thinkin' conception just ain't one of
'em.
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Phant Ears
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 111
Posted: 10-29-07 22:13pm
Birch
wrote:
You inspired me to look up
the definition of the word "miracle",
Breizzy.
I found this:
1. An event that appears inexplicable by
the laws of nature and so is held to be
supernatural in origin or an act of God:
“Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot
be summoned, but come of themselves”
(Katherine Anne Porter).
2. One that excites admiring awe. See
synonyms at wonder.
3. A miracle play.
I'm thinkin' conception just ain't one of
'em.
Tell that to a person who's been ttc for
years and finally gets pregnant.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 10-29-07 22:15pm
I believe that would fulfill #1.
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Sandbox Party
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Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 7276
Posted: 10-29-07 22:20pm
its not a miracle... its chance. its
fate.
i agree with Futureshock.
And Breizzy... you mourn the fact that you
have your period, which means you arent
pregnant, and means another month of TTC.
NOT becuase you are thinking to yourself.
*That might have been a viable baby and my
body rejected it! How sad!*
A baby isnt considered stillborn til i
*believe* after 19 weeks.. prior to that
it is till a miscarriage. I can understand
where you are coming from though. With a
heartbeat, its still a baby. But its hard
to become attached to something in a
months time. Try having a stillborn baby
at 20 weeks, or 28 weeks.. after you have
felt the baby ALIVE inside of you..
kicking, moving.. believe it or not,
hiccups. THEN it becomes far more
personal.
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Phant Ears
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 111
Posted: 10-29-07 22:22pm
I was told that I could never have
children, so to me this pregnancy is a
miracle. Just my opinion. You don't have
to agree.
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Birch
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Posted: 10-29-07 22:29pm
Bunny_
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
You inspired me to look up
the definition of the word "miracle",
Breizzy.
I found this:
1. An event that appears inexplicable by
the laws of nature and so is held to be
supernatural in origin or an act of God:
“Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot
be summoned, but come of themselves”
(Katherine Anne Porter).
2. One that excites admiring awe. See
synonyms at wonder.
3. A miracle play.
I'm thinkin' conception just ain't one of
'em.
Tell that to a person who's been ttc for
years and finally gets pregnant.
You mean that they had sex and conception
occurred? That has happened billions of
times over the course of history by every
species on the planet. It's a biological
function that is expected of the laws of
nature. (Unless you have no uterus, or "he
cummed on my soap plz help i preggo")
I'm not trying to cheapen the experience
of couples ttc, but it's no supernatural
miracle, especially if they start getting
modern science involved.
Anyone else enjoy the double entendre of
this statement: “Miracles are
spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but
come of themselves”?
Last edited by Birch on 10-29-07 22:32pm; edited 1 time in total
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Phant Ears
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 111
Posted: 10-29-07 22:31pm
Birch
wrote:
Bunny_
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
You inspired me to look up
the definition of the word "miracle",
Breizzy.
I found this:
1. An event that appears inexplicable by
the laws of nature and so is held to be
supernatural in origin or an act of God:
“Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot
be summoned, but come of themselves”
(Katherine Anne Porter).
2. One that excites admiring awe. See
synonyms at wonder.
3. A miracle play.
I'm thinkin' conception just ain't one of
'em.
Tell that to a person who's been ttc for
years and finally gets pregnant.
You mean that they had sex and conception
occurred? That has happened billions of
times over the course of history by every
species on the planet. It's a biological
function that is expected of the laws of
nature.
I'm not trying to cheapen the experience
of couples ttc, but it's no supernatural
miracle, especially if they start getting
modern science involved.
Anyone else enjoy the double entendre of
this statement: “Miracles are
spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but
come of themselves”?
We can agree to disagree.
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Birch
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Posted: 10-29-07 22:33pm
Bunny_
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
Bunny_
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
You inspired me to look up
the definition of the word "miracle",
Breizzy.
I found this:
1. An event that appears inexplicable by
the laws of nature and so is held to be
supernatural in origin or an act of God:
“Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot
be summoned, but come of themselves”
(Katherine Anne Porter).
2. One that excites admiring awe. See
synonyms at wonder.
3. A miracle play.
I'm thinkin' conception just ain't one of
'em.
Tell that to a person who's been ttc for
years and finally gets pregnant.
You mean that they had sex and conception
occurred? That has happened billions of
times over the course of history by every
species on the planet. It's a biological
function that is expected of the laws of
nature.
I'm not trying to cheapen the experience
of couples ttc, but it's no supernatural
miracle, especially if they start getting
modern science involved.
Anyone else enjoy the double entendre of
this statement: “Miracles are
spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but
come of themselves”?
We can agree to disagree.
Yes, we'll agree that you're wrong.
J/K!!!!
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Phant Ears
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 111
Posted: 10-29-07 22:35pm
Birch
wrote:
Bunny_
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
Bunny_
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
You inspired me to look up
the definition of the word "miracle",
Breizzy.
I found this:
1. An event that appears inexplicable by
the laws of nature and so is held to be
supernatural in origin or an act of God:
“Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot
be summoned, but come of themselves”
(Katherine Anne Porter).
2. One that excites admiring awe. See
synonyms at wonder.
3. A miracle play.
I'm thinkin' conception just ain't one of
'em.
Tell that to a person who's been ttc for
years and finally gets pregnant.
You mean that they had sex and conception
occurred? That has happened billions of
times over the course of history by every
species on the planet. It's a biological
function that is expected of the laws of
nature.
I'm not trying to cheapen the experience
of couples ttc, but it's no supernatural
miracle, especially if they start getting
modern science involved.
Anyone else enjoy the double entendre of
this statement: “Miracles are
spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but
come of themselves”?
We can agree to disagree.
Yes, we'll agree that you're wrong.
J/K!!!!
I was like 'she's so mean' lol
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Birch
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Posted: 10-29-07 22:43pm
Bunny_
wrote:
I was like 'she's so mean' lol
Hee hee...
I can tell from your posts that you have a
good sense of humor...hope you stick
around.
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Phant Ears
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 111
Posted: 10-29-07 22:54pm
Birch
wrote:
Bunny_
wrote:
I was like 'she's so mean' lol
Hee hee...
I can tell from your posts that you have a
good sense of humor...hope you stick
around.
My water will break & I'm still going
to be on here typing.
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Sandbox Party
Especially EHEALTHy
Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 7276
Posted: 10-29-07 22:55pm
Bunny_
wrote:
I was told that I could
never have children, so to me this
pregnancy is a miracle. Just my opinion.
You don't have to agree.
i just noticed ur in my favorite city in
the whole wide world!!
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Phant Ears
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 111
Posted: 10-29-07 22:57pm
Sandy_Pants
wrote:
Bunny_
wrote:
I was told that I could
never have children, so to me this
pregnancy is a miracle. Just my opinion.
You don't have to agree.
i just noticed ur in my favorite city in
the whole wide
world!!
I thought that's where you were from.
I love Chicago.
Especially downtown.