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Posted: 10-29-07 09:26am

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I mean embryo, fetus, baby.. all the same thing basically... a miracle.

Not to all women they aren't (a miracle I mean) and they actually aren't the same thing (especially to many of us on this board) but yes women are perfectly valid in mourning a miscarriage and if they want to see it as losing a baby then that is their choice (which I think everyone has agreed on during this thread).
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Posted: 10-29-07 10:11am

Breizzy,

Every single thing you wrote in your last post is irrelevant. If you would just take a breath and seriously listen to what I am trying to tell you, you will understand that I was not saying anything like what you think I was saying.

First of all,

Having a miscarriage and mourning it, whenever it happens, is perfectly valid and understandable. Calling even a fertilized egg a "baby" is perfectly fine, in my opinion. I have a child, I was pregnant, and I called her a "baby" before she was even conceived.

However, those situations are valid because the woman knows she didn't really miscarry an actual infant, with arms, legs, head, face, eyes, ears, nose, mouth, capable of feeling, crying, being scared, etc. etc.

BUT, can you imagine the additional horror of having a miscarriage that was the equivalent of a STILLBORN? An actual whole, intact, living, breathing, felling, infant dying is WORLDS AWAY from an embryo dying.

SO, I just wanted to make sure this teen was not experiencing the horror of imagining the loss of an actual living, breathing, feeling, suffering infant, on top of the mourning of the loss of her pregnancy.

Now, if you are going to argue that the death of an embryo and the death of a child are the same thing, have at it. Just leave me out, because I will never agree.
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Posted: 10-29-07 10:13am

Had she said anything to indicate that she thought that, or were you just being patronising?

Seriously, let's have some context. It might make you look like less of an ass! Very
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Posted: 10-29-07 12:25pm

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Breizzy,

Every single thing you wrote in your last post is irrelevant. If you would just take a breath and seriously listen to what I am trying to tell you, you will understand that I was not saying anything like what you think I was saying.

First of all,

Having a miscarriage and mourning it, whenever it happens, is perfectly valid and understandable. Calling even a fertilized egg a "baby" is perfectly fine, in my opinion. I have a child, I was pregnant, and I called her a "baby" before she was even conceived.

However, those situations are valid because the woman knows she didn't really miscarry an actual infant, with arms, legs, head, face, eyes, ears, nose, mouth, capable of feeling, crying, being scared, etc. etc.

BUT, can you imagine the additional horror of having a miscarriage that was the equivalent of a STILLBORN? An actual whole, intact, living, breathing, felling, infant dying is WORLDS AWAY from an embryo dying.

SO, I just wanted to make sure this teen was not experiencing the horror of imagining the loss of an actual living, breathing, feeling, suffering infant, on top of the mourning of the loss of her pregnancy.

Now, if you are going to argue that the death of an embryo and the death of a child are the same thing, have at it. Just leave me out, because I will never agree.


You know... whatever.. you need to actually read what i post instead of making your own stuff up.
I said NOTHING about stillborn babies.. nor would i EVER minimize any of that... cuz i know that is rough.

I know TOO well about stillborn.. or how about giving birth and holding your baby and watching her DIE in your arms gasping for AIR!!!!
But i meantioned nothing about that.. before help could get there.
My whole thing was aout your comment about if your gonna mourn a m/c at 7 weeks.. then mourn your period. Those are two totally separate things. If ther was a m/c when the period showed up on time... the woman didnt know about it if she didnt test and thought her period was ontime.. or just a day or so late.... by 7 weeks u know you are pregnant most of the time....
Maybe u should go back and read my post again. Cuz apparently you read something that mine did not contain. I said NOTHINg about stillborn.... Again i would NEVER minimize that. Please don't minimize anything that anyone else would go through either.
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Posted: 10-29-07 13:18pm

Futureshock is saying this:

If you are sexually active, there is no way for you to know for SURE that your latest period wasn't actually a miscarriage unless you're testing for pregnancy every single day. So, since there is a chance you just miscarried, you should be sad every single month because a potential baby could have just died.
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Posted: 10-29-07 14:39pm

Eiri wrote:
Futureshock is saying this:

If you are sexually active, there is no way for you to know for SURE that your latest period wasn't actually a miscarriage unless you're testing for pregnancy every single day. So, since there is a chance you just miscarried, you should be sad every single month because a potential baby could have just died.


Excuse me...
I do mourn every period cuz i have been trying to concieve...
And NO you don't mourn every period... because, if you dont know you are pregnant.. then it a totally different. And if your period come ontime and you happened to have been pregnant.. it is called chemical cuz from 7-10dpo.. to when your period is due... you are not even fully implanted.

At 7 weeks They have a heartbeat. You can see it on a u/s if they are not dead already. There is a reason to mourn and not MOURN your period.
Like I said.. if oyu don't know... then you won't mourn.

Sorry to be soo blunt.. but you were bringing up things about Stillborn, and baby's born too soon.. and I didnt.
Whether, it is a early m/c or a late one.. it still hurts...
and people can mourn and that's all that is about it.

If she wanted to claim it as a baby.. than that is fine
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Posted: 10-29-07 15:34pm

Breizzy wrote:

If she wanted to claim it as a baby.. than that is fine

And no-one has said otherwise
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Posted: 10-29-07 22:01pm

You inspired me to look up the definition of the word "miracle", Breizzy.

I found this:

1. An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God: “Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but come of themselves” (Katherine Anne Porter).
2. One that excites admiring awe. See synonyms at wonder.
3. A miracle play.

I'm thinkin' conception just ain't one of 'em.
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Posted: 10-29-07 22:13pm

Birch wrote:
You inspired me to look up the definition of the word "miracle", Breizzy.

I found this:

1. An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God: “Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but come of themselves” (Katherine Anne Porter).
2. One that excites admiring awe. See synonyms at wonder.
3. A miracle play.

I'm thinkin' conception just ain't one of 'em.


Tell that to a person who's been ttc for years and finally gets pregnant. Wink
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Posted: 10-29-07 22:15pm

I believe that would fulfill #1.
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Posted: 10-29-07 22:20pm

its not a miracle... its chance. its fate.

i agree with Futureshock.

And Breizzy... you mourn the fact that you have your period, which means you arent pregnant, and means another month of TTC.
NOT becuase you are thinking to yourself. *That might have been a viable baby and my body rejected it! How sad!*

A baby isnt considered stillborn til i *believe* after 19 weeks.. prior to that it is till a miscarriage. I can understand where you are coming from though. With a heartbeat, its still a baby. But its hard to become attached to something in a months time. Try having a stillborn baby at 20 weeks, or 28 weeks.. after you have felt the baby ALIVE inside of you.. kicking, moving.. believe it or not, hiccups. THEN it becomes far more personal.
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Posted: 10-29-07 22:22pm

I was told that I could never have children, so to me this pregnancy is a miracle. Just my opinion. You don't have to agree. Smile
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Posted: 10-29-07 22:29pm

Bunny_ wrote:
Birch wrote:
You inspired me to look up the definition of the word "miracle", Breizzy.

I found this:

1. An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God: “Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but come of themselves” (Katherine Anne Porter).
2. One that excites admiring awe. See synonyms at wonder.
3. A miracle play.

I'm thinkin' conception just ain't one of 'em.


Tell that to a person who's been ttc for years and finally gets pregnant. Wink


You mean that they had sex and conception occurred? That has happened billions of times over the course of history by every species on the planet. It's a biological function that is expected of the laws of nature. (Unless you have no uterus, or "he cummed on my soap plz help i preggo")

I'm not trying to cheapen the experience of couples ttc, but it's no supernatural miracle, especially if they start getting modern science involved.

Anyone else enjoy the double entendre of this statement: “Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but come of themselves”?

Cool


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Posted: 10-29-07 22:31pm

Birch wrote:
Bunny_ wrote:
Birch wrote:
You inspired me to look up the definition of the word "miracle", Breizzy.

I found this:

1. An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God: “Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but come of themselves” (Katherine Anne Porter).
2. One that excites admiring awe. See synonyms at wonder.
3. A miracle play.

I'm thinkin' conception just ain't one of 'em.


Tell that to a person who's been ttc for years and finally gets pregnant. Wink


You mean that they had sex and conception occurred? That has happened billions of times over the course of history by every species on the planet. It's a biological function that is expected of the laws of nature.

I'm not trying to cheapen the experience of couples ttc, but it's no supernatural miracle, especially if they start getting modern science involved.

Anyone else enjoy the double entendre of this statement: “Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but come of themselves”?

Cool


We can agree to disagree. Smile
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Posted: 10-29-07 22:33pm

Bunny_ wrote:
Birch wrote:
Bunny_ wrote:
Birch wrote:
You inspired me to look up the definition of the word "miracle", Breizzy.

I found this:

1. An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God: “Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but come of themselves” (Katherine Anne Porter).
2. One that excites admiring awe. See synonyms at wonder.
3. A miracle play.

I'm thinkin' conception just ain't one of 'em.


Tell that to a person who's been ttc for years and finally gets pregnant. Wink


You mean that they had sex and conception occurred? That has happened billions of times over the course of history by every species on the planet. It's a biological function that is expected of the laws of nature.

I'm not trying to cheapen the experience of couples ttc, but it's no supernatural miracle, especially if they start getting modern science involved.

Anyone else enjoy the double entendre of this statement: “Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but come of themselves”?

Cool


We can agree to disagree. Smile


Yes, we'll agree that you're wrong.








J/K!!!! Laughing
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Posted: 10-29-07 22:35pm

Birch wrote:
Bunny_ wrote:
Birch wrote:
Bunny_ wrote:
Birch wrote:
You inspired me to look up the definition of the word "miracle", Breizzy.

I found this:

1. An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God: “Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but come of themselves” (Katherine Anne Porter).
2. One that excites admiring awe. See synonyms at wonder.
3. A miracle play.

I'm thinkin' conception just ain't one of 'em.


Tell that to a person who's been ttc for years and finally gets pregnant. Wink


You mean that they had sex and conception occurred? That has happened billions of times over the course of history by every species on the planet. It's a biological function that is expected of the laws of nature.

I'm not trying to cheapen the experience of couples ttc, but it's no supernatural miracle, especially if they start getting modern science involved.

Anyone else enjoy the double entendre of this statement: “Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but come of themselves”?

Cool


We can agree to disagree. Smile


Yes, we'll agree that you're wrong.








J/K!!!! Laughing

I was like 'she's so mean' lol Smile
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Posted: 10-29-07 22:43pm

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I was like 'she's so mean' lol Smile


Hee hee...

I can tell from your posts that you have a good sense of humor...hope you stick around.
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Posted: 10-29-07 22:54pm

Birch wrote:
Bunny_ wrote:

I was like 'she's so mean' lol Smile


Hee hee...

I can tell from your posts that you have a good sense of humor...hope you stick around.


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Posted: 10-29-07 22:55pm

Bunny_ wrote:
I was told that I could never have children, so to me this pregnancy is a miracle. Just my opinion. You don't have to agree. Smile


i just noticed ur in my favorite city in the whole wide world!!
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Posted: 10-29-07 22:57pm

Sandy_Pants wrote:
Bunny_ wrote:
I was told that I could never have children, so to me this pregnancy is a miracle. Just my opinion. You don't have to agree. Smile


i just noticed ur in my favorite city in the whole wide world!!


I thought that's where you were from. Razz I love Chicago. Especially downtown.
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