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Q: Common Ground, Anti-choice Hypocrisy, Etc.
asked by: Verizon-y on October 22nd, 2007
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http://ourdescent.wordpress.com/2007/10/15 /common-ground-anti-choice-hypocrisy-etc/
Common Ground, Anti-Choice Hypocrisy, Etc.

October 15th, 2007 at 4:12 pm (conservatives, the truth about many of them, feminism, medical question the puritans!, health/healthcare, politics, sex)

Jill at Feministe wrote this interesting post in response to this interesting post about looking for common ground on abortion. In the original post, Morning’s Minion from the Catholic blog Vox Nova gives a thoughtful list of ways feminists and anti-choicers could cooperate without either side compromising its stated* principles. Morning’s Minion notes, among other true things, that abortion bans don’t stop abortion, and that in order to actually reduce the abortion rate, we can do things like provide universal healthcare and fight poverty. Jill adds that, of course, contraception is just about the easiest way to bring down the abortion rate.

First off, I want to say that I think Morning’s Minion clearly has good intentions and that I, like, oh, every other pro-choicer in this great country, would love to see anti-choicers joining in on the tireless efforts of pro-choicers to reduce the abortion rate with good, comprehensive sex education, universal healthcare, better support for families, etc. etc., as well as broader progressive goals like not going to war. I think Morning’s post is one that needs to be read primarily by anti-choicer folks because, as Jill at Feministe notes, there’s nothing we can do to minimize the abortion rate that pro-choicers aren’t already doing. There does seem to be at least one actual pro-lifer in the US — Morning’s Minion, who opposes unjust war, nuclear weapons, and the death penalty, and who is, I would imagine, a vegetarian out of her** staunch commitment to life. Truly pro-life folks could further their cause quite effectively by joining in with feminist and liberal activists as we lower the abortion rate, protest the current unjust war, agitate for universal healthcare, etc.

Anyway, okay, all of that was just a big excuse to talk about what I actually want to talk about, which is a thought I was having last night that just so happens to be relevant.

There’s a billboard near here that Emily and I have thought of vandalizing a time or twelve, an anti-choice monstrosity calling abortion the “American Holocaust.” That’s a load of offensive caca on all kinds of levels. It upsets me as a feminist and as a Jew, but mostly it upset me as an intelligent human who knows that there actually was an American Holocaust, a full-blown act of state-sponsored genocide that went on for generations. The victims were, of course, American Indians, who were brutally, unforgivably attacked with evil techniques as varied as outright slaughter, forced relocation to concentration camps, and just about every other horror out there. This is extra important as we’ve just passed my second least favorite holiday, Columbus Day, and are about to celebrate my number one least favorite holiday, Thanksgiving. The US is a country that has two entire holidays dedicated to glorifying the actual American Holocaust.

Anyway. My thought last night. If anti-choicers really think abortion is homicide and legal abortion is equivalent to the Holocaust, what the hell is their problem? Why aren’t they doing everything in their power to (peacefully) reduce the abortion rate? I’d like to think if I were living in Nazi Germany (and not Jewish) or living in Andrew Jackson’s United States (and not Native), I would do anything in my power to save anyone I could, even one person. I absolutely doing it would not do stupid caca like agitate for, say, propaganda campaigns in public schools that would raise the death rate (abstinence only “education”), or fight against safe, effective measures that could hugely reduce the death rate (contraception). Duh.

So, it’s good to see at least one person trying to do that (though I’m guessing that, as a Catholic, Morning’s Minion has no interest in making contraception widely available). But I’m betting we’re not about to see legions of anti-choicers joining in.

Basically: common ground absolutely exists, but anti-choicers aren’t willing to go there (and pro-choicers are there already!), because they’re not really pro-life at all.

* “Stated” because, as Morning’s Minion acknowledges, much of the anti-choice leadership is concerned with controlling women and sexuality, not with protecting life.

** That’s “her” as a general pronoun. I have no knowledge of Morning’s gender identity.
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replied on November 7th, 2007
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YOU ARE COOL


"So, it’s good to see at least one person trying to do that (though I’m guessing that, as a Catholic, Morning’s Minion has no interest in making contraception widely available). But I’m betting we’re not about to see legions of anti-choicers joining in.

Basically: common ground absolutely exists, but anti-choicers aren’t willing to go there (and pro-choicers are there already!), because they’re not really pro-life at all.

* “Stated” because, as Morning’s Minion acknowledges, much of the anti-choice leadership is concerned with controlling women and sexuality, not with protecting"


YES...This IS about controlling women... I don't really know why, but it is. Because access to birth control is LINKED to restricting access to safe, legal, affordable pregancy termination. They have already restricted acces to BC in the US. And birth control is what allowed women to get out of the kitcen, put some shoes on, and achieve things.

A woman in my city would have to drive 2 hours to another major city to access a medical termination. If you live anywhere else in the state, it might be much, much worse. Sure, there are some surgical options, but why are medical terminations so hard to get? Perhaps because they are less psychologically traumatic????

All I know is that the men who want to run the world unimpeded by the input of smart women everywhere are trying to get us back to the 1950's--and you know what? They weren't REALLY that great the first tiem around.

And BESIDES...this is really a church/state issue. We settled that about 230 yrs ago. Enough!!!! We dont' legislate based on RELIGOUS views. I do NOT want to have to live according to the views of a religion I do NOT practice!!!! This is not the America I thought I was going to grow up to. I jsut assumed we woudl continue to grow and learn as a society, but we get this push of religion masquerading as law (see Intelligent Design), and I'm jsut flummoxed. Can this really be happening? Are people REally more interested in saving clumps of frozen cells than living beathing children who desperately NEED help??? people who claim to pracitce a religion based on mercy and love?

It's like it's all backwards. Peoople who support Roe are said to be evil and uncaring--but the other ones are the ones who are behaving in a way tha tis so contradictory to what they espouse, and to what our actual problems are. How did it all ge tto be liek this?? I guess in a fight that is seen as so black and white people hurl opposite-epithets on their opponents...jsut the name of the game.

I'm so glad you are looking at this way to achieve common ground, for that will be the salvation. It's like Solomon and the baby. The real mama will let go of that baby's foot to save it in the end...(and y'all, we are ALL the baby's mama)
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replied on November 7th, 2007
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Thank-you, but I want to make sure you know I didn't author that piece, it comes from the link at the very top. I do, however, agree wholeheartedly with all of it.

Glad to see someone else understands what is REALLY going on. Smile
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