Bingo. That's why the hymen definition of virginity is silly, backwards, inaccurate and actually harmful to the image of women, purity, and virginity.



Indeed!

im not sure
but theres been alot of this going on lately
like mmmhmmm winterchild. (im onto you little missy dont think im stupid)

Virginity can be defined medically or philosophically. You can say it just means when a penis goes in the vaigina, those two people are no longer virgins. But the physical term isn't really important or meaningful- it's never necessary to know medically if a woman is a virgin unless you're testing for std's or pregnancy. The term 'virgin' is only really important psychologically/pilosophically, which means you can decide it means whatever you want it to mean, in which case, most people would say that a raped woman is a virgin because she didn't make the choice not to be.

the_girlfriend I dont seem to understand what you mean.

wait, so if a girl is raped and gets pregnant, she is a virgin?

Why not? Virginity is not just a physical thing, it is also mental. I firmly believe you have to participate in sex in order to lose your virginity. The hypothetical girl was raped. She didn't have sex. There's a difference.

No, it's not "immaculate conception" since clearly a penis and semen was involved. But this is a non-religious definition of virginity, since I am not religious.

okay. this is making sense now. sorry, ive just always assumed that "sex" and "virginity" go together. so she had sex but is still a virgin in the mind sense. okay.

No, she didn't have sex, so she is still a virgin. She was raped. Rape does not equal sex.

Okay, call me what you want to call me! I really don't care because I am not catjack! My name, Ivy daughter's name, Isabelle and husband's name, Mike.
I am 25 years old, must I go much more? Also, thankyou Eiri.

I think that if a girl is raped you are still considered a virgin. You didn't want to be raped and you can't take back time but still, isn't loosing your virginity supposed to be an expected thing?! Well, not quite. But my point is WHO CARES IF YOUR A VIRGIN OR NOT! If you have never had sex.. intentionally YOU ARE A VIRGIN. If you have then pick one. Virgin or non- virgin. I really don't know. I think we should just leave it as a decision now.

True Virginity is never having a sexual experience with another person. Doing everything, including poking without full penetration just means when you do find the right person to go all the way, he will not know. So basically, they are different level of virginity.

I guess the bigger question is why does it matter? losing your virginity isn't a turning point in your life if it doesn't mark a relavant occurance. At the point where you're talking about metaphysical virginity you're no longer measuring anything that you can relay meaningfully. The ideal of virginity has meaning to people and if you disrepect that meaning then you are in essence lying to them. Virginity implies sexual innocence. If someone told you they were a virgin but you later found out they've been working as a Pro Domme having strap-on sex with male and female submissives for over a year, would you feel lied to? Virginity implies viral purity. If someone told you that they were a virgin and you later found out they've been having unprotected oral an anal sex regularly with strangers for the last decade would you feel like you were lied to? Virginity implies that people have not had sex with you. If someone told you they were a virgin and you found out later that they were pregnant from being raped just before they met you, would you feel like you were lied to?

As a rule of thumb, if you are sexually active in medical terms. You are no longer a virgin.