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Posted: 11-04-07 20:13pm
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| ncohen87
wrote: | | Women limit women by saying,
"no, you can't believe in this, that or
the other thing" (archaic). What you are
doing is disrespecting women's opinions in
the past, and women's opinons now. So
since my opinion is inexcusable on your
watch allows you to speak for women? Who
dictated you to become the voice of women.
You have no right to limit a woman's
opinion, and if this is what I believe
than be a strong enough individual to
disagree with it and move on. All women
are different, and I'd rather take an
arachic opinion over degrading another
woman's opinion without just
cause. |
What she's saying is that not all women
have "cherries to pop" therefore its not
means to define purity or virginity.
If you want to base your opinion off
anything concerning virginity it shouldn't
be the hymen.
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ncohen87
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Posted: 11-04-07 20:24pm
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I understand what she was saying and I
agree that not all women have cherries to
pop. I replied to her ad based off my
personal experience, but I did say "if he
didn't go in all the way" then she is
still a virgin. But if I wanted to base my
opinion off of the hymen than I have every
right to do so, as do you.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 11-05-07 10:42am
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MOST women don't have hymens by the time
they have sex. Yes, some do. But there's
this whole idea about what a woman is
supposed to be like the first time she has
sex is very damaging. The story goes like
this: "I was about to have sex for the
first time and I was very scared because I
knew it would hurt- he shoved his large
throbbing penis in me and I was so tight
and dry he really had to jamb it in there
and break my hymen and I bled all over,
but I just layed still and took it because
that's what it's supposed to be like. Too
bad I'll never enjoy sex."
I know that's not what you were saying,
but this is the type of thing we have to
try combat on here every day. Men come in
asking if their formerly virginal wives
cheated on them because they weren't tight
enough, or because they didn't bleed all
over, or they enjoyed themselves too much.
That's why they jumped on you about it,
because we really need to stop spreading
this attitude so women can enjoy sex and
not expect their first time to be so awful
(because it doesn't have to be and it
isn't for MOST women!)
I understand that was your experience and
I respect that. But that doesn't mean it
is usually that way.
Virginity is defined in many different
ways, and you can define it how you want
according to your personal beliefs.
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ncohen87
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Posted: 11-05-07 14:31pm
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First, I never said that it was my
experience. I simply stated that in my
sitauation, I did have my hymen break, and
I did bleed. I didn't bleed all over
people, but I did bleed non-the-less.
Every woman is different. I happened to
have enjoyed having sex for the first
time, and I never stated that it was
painful for me. I'm sorry that you all
have to feel like attacking someone else
opinion makes you think that you'll be
able to stop women from thinking that sex
is painful, but the fact of the matter is
that every woman is different, and you
people cannot deny that the hymen DOES
exist and it CAN break during intercourse,
and it CAN also be painful. Not that it
WILL be. I know plenty of other women have
had pain during the first time with
intercourse and I think it is upsurd to
make people believe that it is just going
to be 100% fine and dandy. That's how you
end up with people thinking that they have
issues because it was painful for their
first time, or because they bled the first
time. It's completely natural. Respect the
fact that I am stating my opnion and stop
trying to change people's minds about what
sex is "supposed" to be like.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 11-05-07 17:54pm
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no one ever denied that it could happen.
It's just not normal.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 11-05-07 18:15pm
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| ncohen87
wrote: | | I think you are still a
virgin. If he didn't go all the way
in...and you didn't feel him "pop your
cherry" then you've got nothing to worry
about! We all slip up sometimes...you got
lucky enough to not slip up all the
way! |
This was misinformation because most women
don't feel any "popping" of their cherry
and therefore it's not a good measure of
virginity. That's all.
Thanks for your answer though, and it was
nice to hear your experience. I'm glad you
aren't one of the "sex sucks" kind of
women. 
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catjack1212
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Posted: 11-06-07 21:38pm
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Different people have different opinions
on this, and some say there are different
types of virginity. But most people
generally agree that if a man has had
penetrative sex with a woman then he (or
she) is no longer a virgin.
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young Girl
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Posted: 11-06-07 22:02pm
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| catjack1212
wrote: | | Different people have
different opinions on this, and some say
there are different types of virginity.
But most people generally agree that if a
man has had penetrative sex with a woman
then he (or she) is no longer a
virgin. |
no thats untrue
so if a girl is raped shes not a virgin
anymore?
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Ivy25
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Posted: 11-07-07 19:13pm
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| the_girlfriend
wrote: | | catjack1212
wrote: | | Different people have
different opinions on this, and some say
there are different types of virginity.
But most people generally agree that if a
man has had penetrative sex with a woman
then he (or she) is no longer a
virgin. |
no thats untrue
so if a girl is raped shes not a virgin
anymore? |
Haha! good point! I hate trolls 
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popminer
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Posted: 11-07-07 19:16pm
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my opinion kind of sucks and probably
doesn't count, but i think that if a girl
IS raped she is not a virgin. It's not
like it's her fault, but she is not one
anymore.
but i could be wrong. so who knows.
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Posted: 11-07-07 23:24pm
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| popminer
wrote: | my opinion kind of sucks and
probably doesn't count, but i think that
if a girl IS raped she is not a virgin.
It's not like it's her fault, but she is
not one anymore.
but i could be wrong. so who
knows. |
Why? Why do you believe she
is no longer a virgin? I'm curious.
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Posted: 11-07-07 23:25pm
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| Ivy25
wrote: | | the_girlfriend
wrote: | | catjack1212
wrote: | | Different people have
different opinions on this, and some say
there are different types of virginity.
But most people generally agree that if a
man has had penetrative sex with a woman
then he (or she) is no longer a
virgin. |
no thats untrue
so if a girl is raped shes not a virgin
anymore? |
Haha! good point! I hate trolls |
yeah we hate you too
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CaNdItAs CrAzY LaNd
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Posted: 11-07-07 23:27pm
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ivy and catjack so which name do you
perfer hmmm i think troll fits
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Flurries in the air
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Posted: 11-07-07 23:28pm
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i think if a girl is raped she is not a
virgin. She has had sex, even though it
was unwanted but she had sex. Maybe her
mind is still a virgin, but her body isn't
If that makes any sense
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Posted: 11-07-07 23:33pm
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Guys, Catjack's IP only has one registered
user, so I doubt Ivy is her.
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CaNdItAs CrAzY LaNd
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Posted: 11-07-07 23:36pm
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no its her alter bridgette busted her
earlier today. check it again they are 1
and the same eiri
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Posted: 11-07-07 23:44pm
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Did she just add this other name or
something? Or is it through a rotating IP?
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popminer
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Posted: 11-08-07 09:52am
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well i think she is not a virgin because
what is YOUR definition of non-virgin/
virgin?
i really dont mean to be argumentative.
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Posted: 11-08-07 10:14am
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| popminer
wrote: | well i think she is not a
virgin because what is YOUR definition of
non-virgin/ virgin?
i really dont mean to be
argumentative. |
If you could define your concept of
virginity that would help.
Personally, losing one's virginity is a
voluntary thing. You must voluntarily have
completely penetrative vagina sex (for
women) in order to no longer be a virgin.
Rape does not de-virginize you. Sticking
the head of the penis in for a second does
not de-virginize you. Why? Because in
neither situation did you actually have
SEX. In rape, that's not sex. That's
physical domination involving a penis and
a vagina. YOU, the victim, are clearly not
participating in sex. You are having rape
DONE to you. It is one sided. In case two,
there was not full penetration, so
clearly, they didn't have actual sex.
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popminer
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Posted: 11-08-07 11:15am
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oh, i guess my definition was more along
the lines of "medical" virginity. BUT, i
guess that wouldn't make sense for the
girls who don't have a hymen.
Virginity is a very loose opinion, is it
not? I always thought losing your
virginity just had to do with penetration
of the vagina by a penis.
But i guess i am proved wrong because not
every girl has a hymen!
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