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Q: "mother" And "father" Banned In Ca

asked by: Birch on October 16th, 2007

Extremely eHealthy

What do you guys make of this? Sounds pretty decent until you get to the paragraph I have put in colour:

wrote:

'Mom' and 'Dad' banished by California
Schwarzenegger signs law outlawing terms perceived as negative to 'gays'

"Mom and Dad" as well as "husband and wife" effectively have been banned from California schools under a bill signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who with his signature also ordered public schools to allow boys to use girls restrooms and locker rooms, and vice versa, if they choose.

"We are shocked and appalled that the governor has blatantly attacked traditional family values in California," said Karen England, executive director of Capitol Resource Institute.

"With this decision, Gov. Schwarzenegger has told parents that their values are irrelevant. Many parents will have no choice but to pull their children out of the public schools that have now become sexualized indoctrination centers."

"Arnold Schwarzenegger has delivered young children into the hands of those who will introduce them to alternative sexual lifestyles," said Randy Thomasson, president of Campaign for Children and Families, which worked to defeat the plans. "This means children as young as five years old will be mentally molested in school classrooms.

"Shame on Schwarzenegger and the Democrat politicians for ensuring that every California school becomes a homosexual-bisexual-transsexual indoctrination center," he said.

Analysts have warned that schools across the nation will be impacted by the decision, since textbook publishers must cater to their largest purchaser, which often is California, and they will be unlikely to go to the expense of having a separate edition for other states.

The bills signed by Schwarzenegger include SB777, which bans anything in public schools that could be interpreted as negative toward homosexuality, bisexuality and other alternative lifestyle choices.

There are no similar protections for students with traditional or conservative lifestyles and beliefs, however.

"SB 777 will result in reverse discrimination against students with religious and traditional family values," said Meredith Turney, legislative liaison for Capitol Resource Institute. "These students have lost their voice as the direct result of Gov. Schwarzenegger's unbelievable decision. The terms 'mom and dad' or 'husband and wife' could promote discrimination against homosexuals if a same-sex couple is not also featured.

"Parents want the assurance that when their children go to school they will learn the fundamentals of reading, writing and arithmetic – not social indoctrination regarding alternative sexual lifestyles. Now that SB777 is law, schools will in fact become indoctrination centers for sexual experimentation," she said.

England told WND that the law is not a list of banned words, including "mom" and "dad." But she said the requirement is that the law bans discriminatory bias.

"Having 'mom' and 'dad' promotes a dicsriminatory bias. You have to either get rid of 'mom' and 'dad' or include everything when talking about [parental issues]," she said. "They [promoters of sexual alternative lifestyles] do consider that discriminatory."

Also signed was AB394, which targets parents and teachers for such indoctrination through "anti-harassment" training, CCF said.

Schwarzenegger had vetoed almost identical provisions a year ago, saying existing state law already provided for penalties for discrimination.

"We had hoped that the governor would once again veto this outrageous legislation but he obviously decided to side with the out-of-touch extremists that control the legislature. This law does not reflect the true values of the average Californian," said England. "True leadership means standing up for what is true and right."

Thomasson said SB777 prohibits any "instruction" or school-sponsored "activity" that "promotes a discriminatory bias" against "gender" – the bill's definition includes cross-dressing and sex changes – as well as "sexual orientation."

"Because no textbook or instruction in California public schools currently disparages transsexuality, bisexuality, or homosexuality, the practical effect of SB777 will be to require positive portrayals of these sexual lifestyles at every government-operated school," CCF noted.

Offenders will face the wrath of the state Department of Education, up to and including lawsuits.

CCF noted that now on a banned list will be any text, reference or teaching aid that portrays marriage as only between a man and woman, materials that say people are born male or female (and not in between), sources that fail to include a variety of transsexual, bisexual and homosexual historical figures, and sex education materials that fail to offer the option of sex changes.

Further, homecoming kings now can be either male or female – as can homecoming queens, and students, whether male or female, must be allowed to use the restroom and locker room corresponding to the sex with which they choose to identify.

AB394 promotes the same issues through state-funded publications, postings, curricula and handouts to students, parents and teachers.

It also creates the circumstances where a parent who says marriage is only for a man and a woman in the presence of a lesbian teacher could be convicted of "harassment," and a student who believes people are born either male or female could be reported as a "harasser" by a male teacher who wears women's clothes, CCF said.

Thomasson said Schwarzenegger also signed AB14, which prohibits state funding for any program that does not support a range of alternative sexual practices, including state-funded social services run by churches.

Affected will be day cares, preschool or after-school programs, food and housing programs, senior services, anti-gang efforts, jobs programs and others.

Thomasson said it also forces every hospital in California – even private, religious hospitals – to adopt policies in support of transsexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality and opens up nonprofit organizations to lawsuits if they exclude members that engage in homosexual, bisexual, or transsexual conduct.

"It's the height of intolerance to punish individuals, organizations, businesses, and churches that have moral standards on sexual conduct and sexual lifestyles," said Thomasson, in response to the signing of AB14. "This is another insensitive law that violates people's moral boundaries."

The vitriol over the issue rose to new levels in its latest campaign.

As WND reported, a board member for the homosexual advocacy group Equality California verbally attacked and threatened CRI for its opposition to the bill earlier.

The board member sent an e-mail and video to CRI threatening the group would be buried if it continued efforts opposing the homosexual advocacy.

"The shocking hate mail we received shows that those behind this legislation do not promote true tolerance," said England. "Only politically correct speech will be tolerated. Those with religious or traditional moral beliefs will not be allowed to express their opinions in public schools."

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Is the price of equality going to be the arrival of the Thought Police?

Replies(18)

Sandbox Party

replied on October 16th, 2007

Especially eHealthy

this really happened?

I'm just...
speechless.

And that doesnt happen very often.

Can he really DO that?

Georgia59

replied on October 16th, 2007

Especially eHealthy

Interesting.

I think it's important to put inclusive language into our schools, but outlawing such fine words seems silly.

Tylanas

replied on October 17th, 2007

Especially eHealthy

That's... RIDICULOUS!!! Surprised

I am just in shock... You can't BAN WORDS!!!! Dear God, it's Southpark... they were right!!! Everyone remember the episode about "nigger-guys"?

Holy sh*t on a pancake. You can't ban words!!! I don't care if it's in school or anywhere else (aside from your private home).

Also, as annoying as it can get, people have the right to say they find homosexuality to be a sin.

This law is SICK, it is a violation of so many rights I don't even want to think about it.

This is why I HATE "Political Correctness". Hate hate hate it.

My MOM is my MOM, and my DAD is my DAD. They are names for parents that distinguish their gender.

What the hell is wrong with a child having two mommies or two daddies? Why can't we say that in a school?

The issue here is that saying "two mommies" automatically lets you know the parents are gay, thus causing discrimination. What needs to happen is a lessening of discrimination, NOT getting rid of words to cause it.

This is a band-aid for a wound that is hemmoraging. It's not the solution.

Quote:

ordered public schools to allow boys to use girls restrooms and locker rooms, and vice versa, if they choose.

Oh I can just see absolute chaos coming from THAT "order". Guys will be going in JUST to gawk, and girls are going to be very uncomfortable. American children are not raised to be responsible and mature enough to not be retarded about it. (Yes, I use that word on purpose here)

Jincks013

replied on October 17th, 2007

Extremely eHealthy

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Jules

replied on October 17th, 2007

Extremely eHealthy

This can't be real, surely.

Surely.

Verizon-y

replied on October 17th, 2007

Extremely eHealthy

Ditto what you all have said.

Rodge

replied on October 17th, 2007

Active User, very eHealthy

LOLWUT

Everyone involved in this is a fool. It has tainted innocents with its sheer stupidity.

...Wait, so we can say 'retarded' but we can't say 'id*ot'? Who the hell came up with these filters? Confused

Tell them I hate them.

Tylanas

replied on October 17th, 2007

Especially eHealthy

No, we can't. I cheat....

mrsbuzski

replied on October 17th, 2007

Experienced User

Vote

I think people need to start emailing that story to their friends and family!

What do the other State Political heads think about what the CA governor/ex-actor is trying to dramatize?

WE AS THE PEOPLE need to know WHO stands for WHAT! UNITED WE STAND! RIGHT!?

Thanks for bringing it to light.

AyaMiyaki

replied on October 17th, 2007

Especially eHealthy

How do you get rid of words, exactly? Confused

And what will it solve? That just seems like it would cause more problems than it would solve.

Rodge

replied on October 17th, 2007

Active User, very eHealthy

AyaMiyaki wrote:

How do you get rid of words, exactly? Confused

And what will it solve? That just seems like it would cause more problems than it would solve.

I have a (conspiracy) theory that that is the point. They're gonna point to this and say 'SEE? See what happens when we let the queers make our rules? They're silencing good, patriotic Americans and corrupting our children with their depravity!! It's political correctness gone mad!!!' Then there will be a backlash and gay rights will be set back a million years. Shocked

Okay, ignore that last part.

Thing is, I can see where they're coming from. But they're going about it so very very wrongly, I have to wonder what the hell they were smoking.

Sandbox Party

replied on October 17th, 2007

Especially eHealthy

i think that arnold is actually homophobic and is trying to cover it up.

this is all just so ridiculous. it violates our freedom of speech.

Jincks013

replied on October 17th, 2007

Extremely eHealthy

exactly Rain. I don't see this going beyond the first court challenge. It is in direct violation of the first amendment; which I posted earlier.

Lion79

replied on October 17th, 2007

Experienced User

Eh?? Have I got this right? A kid can't say to their friends, 'my dad took me to the part yesterday'?

What the hell are they supposed to say??
And the boys can use girls locker rooms and restrooms?? How perverted!!

eugh.

Birch

replied on October 17th, 2007

Extremely eHealthy

I suggest everyone pick up a copy of "1984".

It is real. It is interesting that it's not widely reported. "Liberal media bias" my behind.

Tylanas

replied on October 18th, 2007

Especially eHealthy

Birch wrote:

I suggest everyone pick up a copy of "1984".

It is real. It is interesting that it's not widely reported. "Liberal media bias" my behind.

I know, very scary.

marvel

replied on October 18th, 2007

Supporter

Holy eff.

I understand that public school should be inclusive of everyone, and it takes a lot of work to do that, but WOW. Asta La Vista, basic human rights. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Rodge, I agree... there's going to be a big backlash... there are going to be a lot of P.O'd Californians.

Marianne0558

replied on October 18th, 2007

Supporter

it's a tu-mah
it's not a tu-mah

ah-nold is nuts...

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