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Posted: 10-18-07 06:26am
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Oh look, we're arguing about God/No-God
again. 
Nightangel: That's what space exploration
is for. 
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Posted: 10-18-07 07:44am
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| milletics
wrote: | I think it proves Gods
existence.
Because for someone who doesnt exist, he
sure does get talked about
alot. |
Oddly enough there are whole cultures and
societies that function quite well with
sets of rules, folkway and mores that have
no idea of your 'god' which rather
disproves the 'need' for it.
If your statement was true they'd be
xtians too. THey are not.
Example: the Mayoruna. Just google it.
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Posted: 10-18-07 09:29am
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China and Japan for thousands of years
<_<
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marvel
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Posted: 10-18-07 14:20pm
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I believe that there are three different
kinds of reason:
Rational
Irrational
Non-Rational
We all know what rational and irrational
mean.
Faith, to me, is filed under the
non-rational category. It doesn't apply to
rational, ordered, empirical thinking, but
it still makes sense to the believer. It's
a 'feeling' that can't be proven. It
doesn't apply to rationality because it
doesn't exhibit the characteristics needed
to prove it, yet it still makes sense (to
the believer).
Whether or not 'non-rationality' exists is
probably up for debate, especially for
empirically, scientifically, ordered
thinkers.
I think it exists. There's a lot more out
there than we can see, touch, feel, taste
or smell. I just like to debate what
exactly it is that's out there. Alas,
everyone's different, and so are the
realities they percieve.
The problem with non-rationality is that
sometimes it can be so intense that
believers (fundamentalists, extremists
etc) don't understand why other people
can't understand their non-rational
beliefs.That's where it gets sticky.
When we have organizations that band
together because of common non-rational
experiences and feelings (and subsequently
develop systems of judgments on others
based on them), *poof* it gets even
stickier. Rationality and Non-Rationality
should never be involved with each other.
Ever.
Why do arguments boil down to god or
no-god?
Rationality vs. Non-Rationality (which is
funny, because each side percieves the
other as Irrational).
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Posted: 10-18-07 17:07pm
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How bout this...
God does exist for some people because
they believe in him.
God doesn't exist for others because they
don't.
(This is really starting to sound like a
different argument I had recently.....)
I really liked your explanation Marvel.
And your avatar. Is everyone in Canada
that good-looking?? 
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Posted: 10-18-07 17:45pm
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| marvel
wrote: | Why do arguments boil down
to god or no-god?
Rationality vs. Non-Rationality (which is
funny, because each side percieves the
other as
Irrational). |
isnt that also the case when it comes down
to each seperate religion?
They all believe the other is going to
hell..
Simply put... if people cant come up with
a logical explanation for their actions,
or cant give an educated answer, they
blame God because he cant defend himself
and say who is right or wrong.
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Posted: 10-22-07 06:47am
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| Quote: | | Is everyone in
Canada that good-looking?? |
oh, you. 
Everyone but the Mounties. haha.
| Quote: |
Simply put... if people cant come up with
a logical explanation for their actions,
or cant give an educated answer, they
blame God because he cant defend himself
and say who is right or
wrong. |
They (according to their own perspectives)
ALWAYS have logical explanations ... it's
just non-rational logic. Most of the time,
I think God is loud and clear with who is
right and wrong (again, from the
perspective of the believer).
Good thing we're all here to debate that,
though
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Posted: 10-22-07 12:45pm
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You CAN believe in God and be rational at
the same time. You just have to think
about God in a more liberal, mature, way.
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Posted: 10-22-07 15:01pm
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| Georgia59
wrote: | | You CAN believe in God and
be rational at the same time. You just
have to think about God in a more liberal,
mature, way. |
This is a tangent, but have you ever read
"The Mists of Avalon"? The theme is
related to what is going on w/ this
thread...
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Posted: 10-22-07 16:46pm
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Oh god I loved those books......
I read em all. And watched the special on
TV. lol
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Posted: 10-22-07 16:49pm
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Mists of Avalon sounds like a fantasy
fiction book I saw somewhere. It's a
series in itself right?
But uuh, why does everything come down to
God vs No God regardless of the debate?
Simply, most everybody are NOT capable of
being mature when it comes down to debates
and keeping their bias feelings and
emotions on the down low from getting
heated up and exploding on one another.
It's some natural mechanism I guess to
want to prove the other wrong. Yes yes,
you elders including! SHhh no arguing with
me, the almighty 19 year old
has spoken.
hahaha =)
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Posted: 10-23-07 06:42am
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People fall back on the "god says so"
arguement when they have no logical proven
fact to back them up.
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Posted: 10-24-07 06:34am
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| rainfire1424
wrote: | that analogy still doesnt
provide any proof.
like i said.. i dont want to hear about
that faith
crap. |
Why not? You have lots of faith, you just
see it.
You have faith everytime you get in a car
that the oncoming car isnt going to hit
you.
You faith that a doctor will prescribe the
right medicine.
You have faith in the food you buy that it
wasnt poisoned.
You have faith that the sun will rise
every day.
You have faith.
Just not for a creator.
My biggest proof is me. When I accepted
Jesus, I knew beyond any doubt that I made
the right decision. I felt his presence in
my life. I was comforted like never
before. Even more than any human could
give me.
My life finally had pupose. Meaningful
purpose.
My eyes were opened. Truly opened for the
first time.
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Posted: 10-24-07 06:40am
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I agree. Millitic.. It really is something
one can't explain. And I don't .. I don't
try to prove, or answer questions. It is
you do or you don't.. That's about it..
We have Faith in God some have faith in
something else.. Like no God!
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Posted: 10-24-07 07:06am
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| milletics
wrote: | | rainfire1424
wrote: | that analogy still doesnt
provide any proof.
like i said.. i dont want to hear about
that faith
crap. |
Why not? You have lots of faith, you just
see it.
You have faith everytime you get in a car
that the oncoming car isnt going to hit
you.
You faith that a doctor will prescribe the
right medicine.
You have faith in the food you buy that it
wasnt poisoned.
You have faith that the sun will rise
every day.
You have faith.
Just not for a creator.
My biggest proof is me. When I accepted
Jesus, I knew beyond any doubt that I made
the right decision. I felt his presence in
my life. I was comforted like never
before. Even more than any human could
give me.
My life finally had pupose. Meaningful
purpose.
My eyes were opened. Truly opened for the
first time. |
1. NO .. I have 'faith' in my driving
skill to avoid a head on collision and the
dividers down the highway
2. Nope.. I don't trust doctors in general
and get a second and third opinion if
something is wrong enough that I can't
treat it myself.
3. *Sigh* Nope.. I believe science when it
says washing the foods and fully cooking
them is what makes them safe.
4. Again Nope; I have science to prove
that given the position of the sun
relative to the earth and the earths
rotation that the sun will shine in the
same pattern each 'day' which is really a
man made concept.
Science.. not faith.
5. No, I really don't. I have science.
anything else?
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Posted: 10-24-07 13:09pm
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| milletics
wrote: | | rainfire1424
wrote: | that analogy still doesnt
provide any proof.
like i said.. i dont want to hear about
that faith
crap. |
Why not? You have lots of faith, you just
see it.
You have faith everytime you get in a car
that the oncoming car isnt going to hit
you.
You faith that a doctor will prescribe the
right medicine.
You have faith in the food you buy that it
wasnt poisoned.
You have faith that the sun will rise
every day.
You have faith.
Just not for a creator.
My biggest proof is me. When I accepted
Jesus, I knew beyond any doubt that I made
the right decision. I felt his presence in
my life. I was comforted like never
before. Even more than any human could
give me.
My life finally had pupose. Meaningful
purpose.
My eyes were opened. Truly opened for the
first time. |
I think that faith has been ruined by
people who think that their faith is more
morally correct. Faith has become, for
many, a hierarchy through which to judge
moral legitimacy. Therefore people just
don't bother with it anymore.
I'm not accusing you of judging based on
faith... I'm just saying it's a severely
stigmatized concept nowadays.
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Posted: 10-25-07 07:21am
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I would like to ask a question. If you
never tried God, how do you know if his
way of life is not better for you? I mean
this. At one time God was not in my life..
So I have done as some of you. No belief
in God! And now I have him in my life. So
I have done both ways. Have you? If not
isn't it like saying you hate squash and
you never tasted it? I like God in my
life. Over not. If you don't, how do you
know if you never believed in him? Gave
your life to him and experienced him?
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Posted: 10-25-07 07:34am
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Because I did and I decided it was all
moonshine and mirrors.. my belief system
makes sense to me; this "god decides all;
knows all; does all" yet sends people to
'hell' when he knew in advance what was
going to happen doesn't really appeal to
me.
The Thorn Birds; flash to the after the
fire scene
Ralph de Bricassart: " see god saved this
house and this rose"
Meggie:"Then who brought the fire?"
This is symbolic of why I think that
religion is all moonshine and mirrors.
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Posted: 10-25-07 07:40am
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ok.. thanks! You did try it and it wasn't
for you wicca is.. Thanks for the answer,,
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