Shane, I'm a good example of the fact that
you can be "posessed" and still be free. I
see my psychiatrist and tell him
everything, he's not surprised at all. You
act as if what you have is unbelieveble
and out of the ordinary, but it is not so.
Posession is a characteristic of some
schizophrenic conditions. I also find it
hard to believe that they threw you out of
the hospital because they were scared of
or surprised by your condition. You're
probably making false assumptions. I mean,
demons are the hallmark of the mentally
ill!
I agree with Georgia59 you should try
another professional, but if medication
doesn't work try therapy to talk your
problems out, esp. those of your
childhood.
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Philo
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Thank you it helps. But then what about
the criterion that you have to totally
believe your delusions to be
schizophrenic? (Stan, one of the
moderators here says that's what's in the
DSM.)
I don't understand.
I'm looking in the DSM IV TR, the
diagnostic criteria version. I'll ask
Stan to explain s'more.
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It's simple. Delusions, as defined by
modern medicine, are FALSE beliefs held in
the presence of all truths that prove them
otherwise. Usually, this means that
they're false perceptions and thus
thoughts of reality, but other times, like
for example believing possession exists
would still count as a schizophrenic
symptom, but not really a delusion.
That's more of a symptom you'd find in
schizotypal, called just 'odd thoughts'.
Outlandish, overly poetic, etc. However,
it should be noted, delusions are not
necessarily so extreme that you, for
example, believe the earth is a giant
alligator. Delusions like believing your
wife is cheating on you are still
delusions, meaning they're not true, but
yet, possible.
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You're Right Posted: 10-24-07 03:19am
You're right that Schizophrenia is
essentially a state of being where one has
become possessed, or that a lost soul has
attached to you. I suffered from what is
diagnosed as Schizophrenia, for many years
and recently exorcised myself of the
demon/lost soul that had attached to me. I
achieved this by reading and implementing
a process of self-exorcism which I got
from the book Love Without End by Glenda
Green. In it, it details five steps to
implement, in less than two days I was
back to my old self again. The book also
explains how you can become prone to being
possessed. So you can avoid that little
number again. The book it its entirety, is
a classic. Best of Luck. Peter
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Posted: 10-24-07 09:48am
Stan
wrote:
It's simple. Delusions, as
defined by modern medicine, are FALSE
beliefs held in the presence of all truths
that prove them otherwise. Usually, this
means that they're false perceptions and
thus thoughts of reality, but other times,
like for example believing possession
exists would still count as a
schizophrenic symptom, but not really a
delusion. That's more of a symptom you'd
find in schizotypal, called just 'odd
thoughts'. Outlandish, overly poetic,
etc. However, it should be noted,
delusions are not necessarily so extreme
that you, for example, believe the earth
is a giant alligator. Delusions like
believing your wife is cheating on you are
still delusions, meaning they're not true,
but yet,
possible.
I don't understand how that applies to me.
I said that I don't have false beliefs but
feelings and perceptions. I feel the
effects as if I was possesed, but do not
believe that I'm possessed or that
possession exists. What does that make
me?
Why am I treated for schiz if I don't
believe my own delusions?
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Re: You're Right Posted: 10-24-07 09:51am
SEAHORSE3
wrote:
...reading and implementing
a process of self-exorcism which I got
from the book Love Without End by Glenda
Green.
Is this a religious book (God, prayer,
etc?).
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Posted: 10-24-07 11:46am
Seahorse is writing from the assumption
that schizophrenia is not a biological
condition but is caused by demons and can
be treated by exorcism. This is wrong.
You are currently being treated, right
philo? How do you experience the delusions
off of treatment?
Since you attributed them to demons in the
first place, even though you KNOW that it
really isn't demons, there is something in
there that perceives them as demons,
therefore, there is some part of the
delusion that is in there. This alone
might not be classified as schizophrenia
since there are other disorders that
contain delusions or other similar things,
but along with other symptoms could be
schizophrenia.
Or at least that is my understanding (as a
non-professional), you could hash it out
with your doc.
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Posted: 10-24-07 11:54am
They're not delusions then, if anything it
would fit under schizotypal as odd bodily
perceptions or something. That's one of
the most arguable coded 'diseases' because
it essentially fits for everyone who
thinks differently, like me for example.
They can't be delusions unless you BELIEVE
them to be true. False perceptions are
not delusions, they must be BELIEFS.
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Posted: 10-24-07 11:57am
I get that Stan, but he did originally say
that he had problems with "demons" and
chose to stop believing in them... but he
is also on medication. I'm just wondering
if his delusions were true delusions
before he was getting treatment.
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Lost Soul Attachments Posted: 10-24-07 12:50pm
Dear Phil,
The book would be considered religous. It
is about Christ, God and prayer. I am
offering it out there as help, knowing
that for sure that it cleared up my
symptoms and I am no longer a sufferer of
Schizophrenia. The process works.
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Posted: 10-24-07 12:59pm
Seahorse- I'm glad you got better.
However, for people who are really
suffering with schizophrenia, exorcism
will not cure them. If a book or exorcism
did cure you, you weren't suffering from
schizophrenia.
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Schizophrenia And Demons Posted: 10-24-07 13:12pm
Georgia-thanks for your comments, however
I did suffer from Schizophrenia and was
diagnosed as such. I have known the
condition intimately for many years. I do
not think that I am offering false hope
here.
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Posted: 10-24-07 14:00pm
Stan
wrote:
It's simple. Delusions, as
defined by modern medicine, are FALSE
beliefs held in the presence of all truths
that prove them otherwise. Usually, this
means that they're false perceptions and
thus thoughts of reality, but other times,
like for example believing possession
exists would still count as a
schizophrenic symptom, but not really a
delusion. That's more of a symptom you'd
find in schizotypal, called just 'odd
thoughts'. Outlandish, overly poetic,
etc. However, it should be noted,
delusions are not necessarily so extreme
that you, for example, believe the earth
is a giant alligator. Delusions like
believing your wife is cheating on you are
still delusions, meaning they're not true,
but yet,
possible.
Thanks for clarifying. I was thinking
about people dx'd w/ scz looking
retrospectively at their delusions and
understanding that they were delusions.
Those individuals would still be dx'd as
scz.
Peter, schizophrenia is a biological
illness, not soul attachment or
possession. Please do not contribute to
society's false perceptions about this
disease by making into something people
have a choice over.
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Posted: 10-25-07 03:17am
ShaneJ is exhibiting little insight into
his illness, and minimizing the
consequences. Unfortunately, a violent
incident or another severe psychotic break
where he would be forced into treatment
may be the only way this gentleman will
get help.
Thats right there is no medical cure for
me I have been on every antipsychotic pill
even clozaril which is used as a last
resort for treatment for schizophrenia if
nothing else works. The consultant took
me of Clozaril as he believed I dont
suffer with the illness called
schizophrenia. He said my illness was a
PSTD and a Personality Disorder.
Shane
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Posted: 10-25-07 09:23am
Thanks for clarifying. During my psychotic
episode I did think it was the devil
taking me over. But later, even before I
got medicated, I wasn't so sure anymore,
though the effects were still there. I'm
on risperdal now, but whether I'm on it or
off of it I still have the effects of
possession, and it isn't medication that
has made be not believe in it.
I did try prayer once and my possession
got a lot worse, I was crawling up walls
and was tortured night and day. This is
why I stay away from religious stuff.
Lately the voices are saying that the
devil is in God, so that puts me off God
additionally.
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Posted: 10-25-07 11:29am
You said that you studied buddhism or
something like that? Has that helped you
deal with these delusions? I think that's
great, along with the medication you're
getting. You seem to be doing very well.
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I'm partly into Zen Buddhism. It helps me
sometimes in dispelling all the evil. I
think some of their ideas and meditation
practice is great, and I do believe in
enlightenment. I've read some real
accounts of people that experienced it.
But really my Christian past is deep
inside my psyche and it rebels when I
really want to become a Buddhist. There's
some deep mistrust toward the Buddha that
my mind harbours, as if he was a false god
or something like that. I hope to overcome
these problems one day, one way or
another.
I am pretty lucid, that's why I sound like
I'm "doing very well", thanks for the
complement. But I'm invaded by a sense of
weakness, evil and fear. I also have no
function in society.
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Posted: 10-25-07 12:22pm
OMG the first antipsycotic pill they
started me on was Risperdone(Risperdal) it
turned a good looking young man into an
old man of 70 my face was all distorted I
couldnt walk my hands were shaking I was
walking like an old man my speech was
impaired and I couldnt even sign my own
name so I broke the mental health act and
came off it. They accepted this and tried
me on every antipyschotic pill and they
all failed to work. The only thing they
did was make me put on weight but now I am
off them I can think straight and I am
losing weight rapidly which is good.
I am possessed by 2 demons one since I
used the ouija board at the age of 18 and
it stated it took years to demonically
possess my body. The other demon took
control 1/2 years ago and entered my body
though my mouth. The flat I live in has
something to do with the past tenants it
has a connection with the dead. I have
holy pictures everwhere to prevent further
possession taking place. One day I lay on
the floor and woke up I looked and saw
satan himself he was 7ft tall orange in
color and had a big stick in his right
hand and banged it on the floor then went
away as quick as he had arrived. Explain
please why there was 15 demons in this
flat which needs blessing one demon stuck
a probe in my mouth and it cut my tounge
and I felt the taste of blood in my mouth
yes I felt hands all over my body if only
you had been through what I have you would
have the shock of your life and probably
commited suicide straight away. If you
think its my mind you are very wrong I
have good friends in the police force and
in Interpol. I just wrote a serious
e-mail to the fraud department at Interpol
and 1 police officer in the force said
carry on as that is what they would have
done. I then received a phonecall from
the Central Control Room just to confirm
what I had done was ok with them. Its
possible I have done something great for
the Police Force and I could be in for a
big reward if all goes to plan. Can't say
what its private.
Right bought a BMA(British Medical
Association book) Understanding
Depression
Note
Psychological
Low Mood (Yes)
Loss of Interest in things you used to
enjoy(getting better)
Anxiety (yes)
Emotional Numbness
Depressive Thinking (yes)
Concentration and memory loss(improving)
Delusions(none) (see this is
accosiated with depressive illnes)
Hallucinations(none) (see this is
accosiated with depressive illnes)
Suicide Impluse(yes since the age of 16)
Physical
Sleep Problems -difficulty getting to
sleep, waking up early or sleeping to
much(Yes I am on 200mgs of Doethipin at
night time normal adult dosage is 150mgs
at nite. The extra 50mgs puts me to sleep
for a very long tiem but has no side
effects anymore. Been on it for over 7
years.
Mental or physical slowing(nope starting
back at the gym next week)
Increase or decrease in appertite(Yes I
tend to miss meals)
Increase or decrease in weight(yes its
dropping again me cheeks are not swollen
anymore thank god.
Loss of interest in Sex(nope still horny
as hell) on antispyoctics my mood for sex
had dissapeared of this planet.
Tiredness(yes get this alot)
Constipation(use to but not anymore)
Menstrual Period irregularities(cant
answer that I am not a woman lol)
What causes the symptons?
Chemical deficiences
The symptons of depression may be caused
of low levels of certain chemicals in the
brain. To understand why this might be we
need to look at how the brain works.
The brain is made up of billions of nerve
cells it can take hundreds of these nerver
cells to carry out the smallest action,
even to think about doing something in
order for nerve cells to work together
they have to communicate with each other
and they do this by releasing chemicals
called neurotransmitters.
Enough of that I will have a good read of
the book myself.
Quote I also find it hard to believe that
they threw you out of the hospital because
they were scared of or surprised by your
condition. You're probably making false
assumptions. I mean, demons are the
hallmark of the mentally ill!
What a load of rubbish they threw me out
of hospital as they couldnt cope as they
had never come accross a character like me
possesed. I used to write things down for
them and I scared everyone. Demons are
the hallmark of the mentall ill? What a
statement to make I have 2 demons and I
know it and I am not mentally ill thank
you I will defended myself right to the
bitter end whether you agree with me or
not. no offence intended or taken ok.
Thank You
Shane(Just cus I carry 2 spirits in my
body with me doesnt mean I can't carry out
normal life without being medicated up to
the eyeballs and unable to function.
FYI I love me music and it gives me great
inspiration. I love helping others as
well.
Believe what you will but Demons exist my
final word.
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Posted: 10-25-07 12:30pm
Philo
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I'm partly into Zen
Buddhism. It helps me sometimes in
dispelling all the evil. I think some of
their ideas and meditation practice is
great, and I do believe in enlightenment.
I've read some real accounts of people
that experienced it. But really my
Christian past is deep inside my psyche
and it rebels when I really want to become
a Buddhist. There's some deep mistrust
toward the Buddha that my mind harbours,
as if he was a false god or something like
that. I hope to overcome these problems
one day, one way or another.
I am pretty lucid, that's why I sound like
I'm "doing very well", thanks for the
complement. But I'm invaded by a sense of
weakness, evil and fear. I also have no
function in
society.
How do you define that (function in
society)? You are encouraging to a lot of
people in this online community, I have
already noticed that. Helping others by
sharing your experience really is
important.
Are you in therapy too? Just my thought,
might help you with your religious
inklings about buddhism being evil.... I
have to say, growing up in a
fundamentalist household, I totally
understand why you would have those deep
feelings that anything is evil. The
illness can't help, either.
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Posted: 10-25-07 13:09pm
ShaneJ
wrote:
OMG the first antipsycotic
pill they started me on was
Risperdone(Risperdal) it turned a good
looking young man into an old man of 70 my
face was all ...
Believe what you will but Demons exist my
final word.
There are several types of delusions
frequently carried by individuals with a
mental illness. One of them is
'Religious', and beliefs include God
talking, God complex, possession, the
devil talking, etc.
Another issue is grandiosity. I see alot
of that in this post as well.
There may indeed be a Personality D/O at
play here.
