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Your Beliefs On God: No Women Allowed Hah =) Jp
Posted: 10-14-07 13:17pm

So, I figured we could take a step back and out of the penis related questions for a bit and talk about our personal conceptions on theology, the existence of a God, and the sort. However, I understand there are those who are very serious about their religions, productive debate is fine but if you aren't mature enough to express your beliefs without putting down others, your thoughts aren't needed. Just simple discussion for the openminded and the curious.

I personally am Agnostic, some Christians I knew considered that to be the same thing as Atheist as far as they were concerned, but to be agnostic is to believe that we with our current knowledge have no way to prove the existence of a God (does not mean he does or doesn't exist), so an agnostic can either choose to not believe until proven, or believe until proven false. I just don't think we being mortals despite our advancement in human history, can really postulate the existence of something so incredibly above us. Like explaining to a man of the 14th century what artificial intelligence is.

What is God anyway? Classical Theistic Conception of God states that it is a Being who is wholly perfect, omnipotent, omniscient, and omni-benevolent.

For me personally, it really isn't about God that I question the existence of, but rather the religions that I am concerned about. To make things short, I am more anti-religion then I am anti-God. I just refuse to believe in religion because they have been altered so much by HUMANS throughout the ages. It is not as if however, that I have chose to be ignorant and not hear/know what the religion is about. Turns out I know quite a bit of stories of Christianity (varying from the different branches however), sometimes more then the believers themselves. I know a bit of Paganism, Daoism, Confusionism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc and even Levey Satanism. Turns out Satanism isn't quite like it was stereotyped to be.

But anyway, onward to God, for the moment I can simply and readily accept that there are beings who are at least "Godly" compared to me or humans in general. Suppose aliens do exist (which I think there has to be considering that scientists say there are more suns then all the grains of sand in the world [imagine the amount of planets even if it were on average 2 per sun! since our sun has 8, I think they trashed Pluto as a planetoid], if any alien were to visit us on earth one day, just consider the difference in knowledge and technological capabilities! The nearest sun from us I think is over 4 light years away, imagine what they are capable of to exceed such things! To us they would certainly be "Godly" because they probably have technology to squash us like a bug.

Concerning the Classical Theistic Conception of God however, I think it is false, just a controversy. Perhaps there could be an all perfect being, omniscient and omnipotent, but I do not see why people have to keep seeing it as a omni-benevolent God. I think people are just too hopeful and prefer the idea of a being that is far greater then us that cares for us then one who would eliminate us like a fly.
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Posted: 01-06-08 21:39pm

OK, Miko, I like your theory.Now mine...How to word this without sounding trite? Yes, Jesus is the son of GOD. But so am I. He was a profit and a saint. I am no profit and I am definitely no saint. But I to am the son of GOD. As are you. As are we all. We are all GODS children. No religion, no belief in GOD, no belief in goodness for goodness sake is wrong. Its all good. Its all real. There is good and bad, fact and fiction and wrong and right in all forms of religion and spiritual belief. Its all wrong and yet its all right.You have to dig deeper than any one solitary religion can lead you. Truth is to be found in the journey, not the destination. There is no final destination. We all go on. We live and live again and then we live again and what we put into each life directs us to the next. Our karma directs our destiny. Good for goodness sake leads you to GOD. John Lennon is a saint to me. In the purist since of the word. He was crucified, not literally, and threatened for speaking his truth. Harvey Milk is a saint to me. He died from a bullet to the head...several, because of love misunderstood. Anyone who looses there life in a quest for equal rights for all or peace on earth or understanding of GOD or love for loves sake or goodness for goodness sake is a saint. Those who are well known and those unknown. They move forward. They go on. They live. As all saints do. Forever and ever, amen....
Do not put your trust or your faith in televangelists.
Never give them one penny. Do not bye into the rants and ravings of money grubbing religious zealots. If a man of GOD is telling you how to worship and how to pray and telling you who will and will not enter the kingdom of Heaven then turn them off. They are not men of God. They are judgmental money worshipers spreading hate and intolerance in the name of righteousness and truth. Do not by into it. Do not give them your time or your money. I believe that always giving your money to a church is lazy and foolish. Some money should go to your church but not to a television evangelist. If you truly want to do Gods work then get busy. Do not drop your money into a bucket and blindly hand it over to men in suits. Go to the store or superstore and bye socks, shirts, underwear, food, tooth paste, tooth brushes, deodorant, soap, shampoo, food, food, food, blankets, pillows, towels,...you get it? And take them to a shelter. Be giving but be smart. Evangelists and churches on TV have plenty of money and cars and homes and jewels and all the comforts of this world. Don't reward them with more free money hoping that they will pray for you. I will pray for you for free...and so should they. No tipping allowed! Take 2 or 3 hours and how ever much you can afford to spend and spend an afternoon giving to those who really need it. Thats when you will feel God. It feels so good. Don't be rigid. Flex your mind. Stretch your soul. Bend your way of thinking about religion and God... he is everywhere...or she...or something in between...thats my 2 cents...anyone else out there care 2 share? respect Peace and Love,Steve Cool
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Posted: 01-11-08 02:45am

HEY! can't a chick say she's agnostic too!??

raised Jewish but converted to Pastafarianism! ALL HAIL HIS NOODLY APPENDAGE!
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Posted: 01-11-08 09:47am

pointr Go 4 it!...tell me all your thoughts on God...cuz I really want to know Her! angel
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Posted: 01-11-08 15:44pm

I'm obsessed with religion.

I study it, I read about it in my free time, and I try my best to relate to those who follow it. I've been to Orthodox temples in Eastern Europe, huge Cathedrals in Rome, Mammoth Anglican churches in the UK and in Hindu and Jain temples and Muslim mosques in India. I love them all.

Instead of trying to polarise all of them, and decide what is right or wrong about each of them, I embrace the truth I find in everything. Believe it or not, I believe that there is a breath of truth in each religion. I believe in THAT truth. Call it God, a higher force, non-rationality (not to be confused with irrationality), the great "energy"... whatever you want... It's there. I believe that, yes, humans have messed up and interpreted and exploited the concept of this higher truth to not only suit their thirst for power, but they have also used it as a means to validate their 'rightness' and, therefore, their ability to judge the rest. THIS is the biggest plight of humans.

I dont' try to convert people to how I think and believe, I don't think than anyone is necessarily wrong about their devout religious views, because, in the end, like the rest of us, they are fulfilling their quest for finding what is true and real. I critique it, but I don't judge based on it. Many people, in general, I feel, have fallen to quests for power, influence and supremacy. It's so important to try to break from that and seek truth with deep, personal seeking.

My current efforts are being focused on Atheism. I've been reading lots of Richard Dawkins... Atheism is a hard nut to crack.

In the end, I'm a firm believer that putting strong effort into seeking truth, is, in fact, a mimicking of truth itself: continually educating yourself based on your deep, inner assertions.
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labohemianartist

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Posted: 01-12-08 00:51am

how are his books? I want to read them but I don't feel like I'll get much out of it since I am pretty godless.
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Posted: 01-13-08 20:20pm

They're arrogant, pompous, and, if you believe in anything supernatural, you may be a bit insulted even. But if you take it with a grain of salt, he's informative and comical.
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Posted: 01-20-08 15:52pm

Dawkins is often depicted as an arrogant man but I believe his argument is in earnest. As an evolutionary biologist, his concern shouldn't be whether he's offending believers or not, his concern is to be as pragmatic as he honestly can be. Indoctrinated religion can be extremely harmful as we've all seen throughout history. It is probably best left a totally private, individual matter.

Personally I'm an atheist, not an agnostic. Agnosticism seems to be a submission to pre-set principles in society. To someone who considers themselves a strong agnostic, borderline atheist, they should have the impartiality to ignore past belief systems and form their own opinions from scratch.

Truth is, no-one will ever prove or disprove the existence of the metaphysical, therefore it is something that should probably be ignored completely. It does make for heated debates but the more I argue with religious types the more they twist their arguments to the point where they become unintelligible.
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