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jenn_smithson
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Posted: 10-14-07 13:32pm
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A person, Woman or not, has a right to
decide what happens to and with their
body. In pregnancy, UNLIKE the other
situations mentioned, the decision to
obtain an abortion only physically affects
one person (and I am using "person" to
describe someone who has been endowed with
rights). It has been argued, however,
that drug use has the propensity to
physically affect and harm more than just
the person using the drug. Thus, out of a
concern for public safety, many narcotic
drugs are illegal. Even though that
person has a right to put into their
bodies and take out what they want, should
then enter the public while intoxicated or
in possession of an illegal drug, they are
putting the public safety in jeopardy and
thus their bodily autonomy is temporarily
waived while they are processed for
breaking the law. This same argument,
however, has never applied to legal
abortion, it only applies to illegal
abortion because illegal abortion DOES put
the public safety at risk by making
abortion unregulated, an arena for
organized crime to flourish in, and a
mortality risk to half the population.
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 10-15-07 01:07am
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| kaiteo
wrote: | Futureshock, you can't deny
that if abortion was illegal, it wouldn't
happen NEARLY as much as it does today.
1.3 million illegal abortions a year? I
think not.
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I can deny that because statistics from
countries where it is illegal now bear
that out.
If half of all people in the U.S. were
drug addicts, I would sure as hell find a
way to help those people. I would never
just throw them in prison.
Countries legalize abortion because it is
already happening and too many women die
or get maimed for life. It is the
civilized, empathetic, caring thing to
do.
The answer is not to make abortion
illegal, the answer is to cure the cause,
unwanted pregnancy.
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embarrassed40
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Location: topeka, kansas
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Posted: 10-15-07 01:20am
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| futureshock
wrote: | | kaiteo
wrote: | Futureshock, you can't deny
that if abortion was illegal, it wouldn't
happen NEARLY as much as it does today.
1.3 million illegal abortions a year? I
think not.
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The answer is not to make abortion
illegal, the answer is to cure the cause,
unwanted
pregnancy. |
I say the answer is to make abortion
illegal! 
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Cambion
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Posted: 10-15-07 01:20am
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| Quote: | | How will you pay
for prisons to lock up every woman or
physician and clinic staff who perform an
abortion? |
Oh, there won't be any funding required.
We can just release all the mur/derers and
rapists to make room for the evil people
who kill fetuses. Since, you know, killing
and raping sentient human beings is no big
deal since there's over 6 billion of them
alive today - who's going to miss a few
thousand, or who's going to care if people
are getting serial raped? And hey, let's
take it a step further and not include
homicide and rape on the list of crimes -
so women can get gang-raped and killed and
nothing will need to be done about it
because the police will be too busy
arresting women who are getting abortions
and the doctors performing them. This
would be the anti-choicer's ideal world.
We already have proof that making
something illegal will not stop it from
happening. Why would abortion be any
different?
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embarrassed40
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
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Location: topeka, kansas
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Posted: 10-15-07 01:52am
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| Cambion
wrote: | | Quote: | | How will you pay
for prisons to lock up every woman or
physician and clinic staff who perform an
abortion? |
Oh, there won't be any funding required.
We can just release all the mur/derers and
rapists to make room for the evil people
who kill fetuses. Since, you know, killing
and raping sentient human beings is no big
deal since there's over 6 billion of them
alive today - who's going to miss a few
thousand, or who's going to care if people
are getting serial raped? And hey, let's
take it a step further and not include not
a nice act and rape on the list of crimes
- so women can get gang-raped and killed
and nothing will need to be done about it
because the police will be too busy
arresting women who are getting abortions
and the doctors performing them. This
would be the anti-choicer's ideal world.
We already have proof that making
something illegal will not stop it from
happening. Why would abortion be any
different? |
All your blathering is to defend your
"right" to kill a child! Very courageous!
Embarrassed!
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Tylanas
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Posted: 10-15-07 09:21am
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By the way, Embarassed is banned so don't
bother replying 
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meblonde01
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Posted: 10-15-07 11:31am
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| Eiri
wrote: | | By the way, Embarassed is
banned so don't bother replying |
Why is he banned.. I haven't heard him
call anyone bad names or do anything worst
in here than others do..
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Rodge
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Posted: 10-15-07 12:33pm
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| meblonde01
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | By the way, Embarassed is
banned so don't bother replying |
Why is he banned.. I haven't heard him
call anyone bad names or do anything worst
in here than others
do.. |
Dude, he's a troll. Everything he says is
either to get a rise out of someone, or to
flirt with rainfire.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 10-15-07 12:35pm
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And he never posted anything worthwhile
and if you wanted to get to the actual
debate you had to scroll through all of
his offensive one-liners.
But back on the subject- I agree that the
numbers seem to show that making abortion
illegal wouldn't make it less common, just
more dangerous.
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 10-15-07 13:25pm
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Thank-you, Georgia.
There is a certain type of person who
wants to make abortion illegal, and who
wants to throw drug abusers in jail.
There is another type which would rather
cure unwanted pregnancy and help drug
addicts overcome their addictions.
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Birch
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Posted: 10-15-07 15:25pm
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| meblonde01
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | By the way, Embarassed is
banned so don't bother replying |
Why is he banned.. I haven't heard him
call anyone bad names or do anything worst
in here than others
do.. |
I respect that someone can post
misogynistic views and unpopular opinions,
but he was simply posting over and over
again to irritate people like sand in your
bed.
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Birch
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Posted: 10-15-07 15:26pm
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| Georgia59
wrote: | And he never posted anything
worthwhile and if you wanted to get to the
actual debate you had to scroll through
all of his offensive one-liners.
But back on the subject- I agree that the
numbers seem to show that making abortion
illegal wouldn't make it less common, just
more
dangerous. |
I also think it would weed out the women
who "weren't sure" or that abortion wasn't
the right decision for them, you know?
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Georgia59
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Posted: 10-15-07 17:01pm
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Yeah I guess it could.
But so could proper counseling before an
abortion, meaning, someone with no agenda
to help a woman make her own decision.
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