Almost every industrialized first world nation in the world has legal abortion because:

Women will abort regardless of legality.
Not just some women, but half of all women n the U.S. alone will have an abortion in their reproductive lifetime.


Society has a choice: let this huge amount of people die or get seriously injured, or not.

Repeal of Prohibition was for similar reasons.

Women will abort regardless of legality.

won't drug users me and women die from drugs too? In back street alleys? should we change the law for them?

Futureshock, you can't deny that if abortion was illegal, it wouldn't happen NEARLY as much as it does today. 1.3 million illegal abortions a year? I think not.

People KILL PEOPLE regardless of legality, people do DRUGS regardless of legality.
People do illegal things. Always. Every day.

Because getting rid of an unwanted, possibly dangerous pregnancy is totally the same as shooting up. Totally. I mean, that's why they call them crack babies!

"Everything" is too broad a subject Blonde.
What exactly is it you wish to legalize and how does it impact the abortion discussion?

Kaiteo - read the thread on illegal abortions.. making it illegal doesn't stop it at all. I"m not sure you could stop it in the U.S. anymore.. with the internet its very very easy to find an abortion provider or dangerous mixtures to take to cause an abortion.
This isn't the 70's.. information is our life now.

What about people who try to buy dangerous chemicals to induce an abortion on the internet? We've had questions about that on this forum. And it's just dangerous, for the mother and child.

1. Step 1 abortions should be Illegal...expect in special circumstances which I have outlined earlier

2. Step 2 Persons performing illegal abortions should be given lengthly prison sentences.

3. Step 3 Persons uninterested in taking care of their child should put their child up for adoption.

Embarrassed!

agreed.

Step 4) Children with parents uninterested in taking care of them should live in the foster care system for their whole lives unless they are healthy white babies.

There isn't anything I want to illegalize. It is the thought that law are adjusted for some things/people and not others. Por choice talk about abortions need to stay legal because women would have back street alley abortions and would be breaking the law. My point is other people break the law. Should we make what they are breaking the law over legal so they don't do things in the alleys, like it use to be for women and abortions.
Where does it stop.. is what I am tying to say..

And the reason I ask it in here, is because often the subject goes back to if abortion where not legal we would have women having alley abortions and dieing. Which is true! But so be it.. Other people break the law over other things all the time.. Do we just make it legal to save their live and they are no longer breaking the law? Are women having more and more abortions because it is not illegal?
I wonder how many women had abortion before it was legal. I bet it wasn't 45% in their life time, like it is stated in here over and over again. I bet it was and would be a lot less if it was not legal.

The slippery slope argument is ridiculous and leads only to man-on-box-turtle love.

People have abortions because they are available and safe and they need them. Back before they were legal, people who couldn't get back-alley ones did it themselves, or tried to. They used to say that jumping off a table would end an unwanted pregnancy, for example.
And if that didn't work? Well, I suppose it depends on the society. If it was a place where an unmarried woman with a baby would cause scandal, they were either ostracised or they went to 'stay with relatives' for a while and the baby was quietly born and given away.

Rain.. how will you fund it?
Seriously.
How will you pay for prisons to lock up every woman or physician and clinic staff who perform an abortion?
Prisons aren't free to build; prisons aren't free to staff; they are much more then people holding warehouses these days; what kind of programming would you use?
Many inmates come to us unskilled; needing therapy; needing a basic education; we provide these things; many inmates leave with their G.E.D, get apprentiships in skilled trades; therapy for both substance abuse and deeper psychological issues.

What will you take from them?
A woman who has an abortion is no threat to society as a whole; will you move out real murderers (The kind that killed someone already born) rapists? will you free drug lords and street pusheres to make room?
Will you put theives and thugs back into your neighborhood so you can lock up Dr. Joe?

Please..think this thing through before emotionalizing. Abortion is not a societal threat. It is a personal choice and I know undoubtably someone will shriek *They are a threat to da babiez!1!1!!* but lets get real.. 90% of abortion are performed before the centeral nervous system is even more then a few tubes; there is no ability to feel pain; it is not self aware..

Now think on this.. Married women who are already mothers and have jobs have abortions; why are you so eager to take her away from her family and how do you intend to recoup the families financial loss? How do you intend to recoup the taxes lost now that mommy is in prison?
I'm sure you'd like to jack up a jail and throw me under for having aborted; I'm equally sure my two children would seriously disagree with you..

Emotional knee jerk responses may look cute on paper but their fiscal stability is sorely lacking.
Abortion is not a societal threat; our species seems to thrive despite 1.4 million abortions in my country each year. Abortion is not a moral issue it is simply the last stand at controlling women and using our uteruses as the leash.

I didn't say it would stop it. I clearly stated that there would not be 1.3 million human lives being ripped away from them by abortion. It would happen a lot less.

Kaiteo.. "ripped away" c'mon.. Read the article. Here is the article http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/10/11/abort ion.global.ap/index.html

Basically, it says that the rate of abortions is about the same regardless of legality and safeness. Something like 70,000 women die in the world every year due to unsafe abortions and that another 5 million women suffer temporary or permanant injury. It goes on to point out that most unsafe abortions occur in the poorest countries and those where it is illegal.

There is nothing being 'saved' at all.

I agree!! It would happen less..

Yes, the EVIL healthy white babies should be in foster care too for their entire lives. Ridiculous!

If a law is more harmful than helpful to the citizens, the validity of the law is in question.

Hence the prochoice/life argument of what is harmful/helpful.

I have read that since it was illegal, there is no way to know how many abortions took place prior to the legalization.

I would like to know the stats on shotgun weddings!

Also, I'd like to know how many Parents sent their pregnant daughters away for nine months, suicide rates, etc.

Good point..

yep

Very good point. Regardless of our views on the actual morals of the law; if it's doing more harm than good, what's the point?