I guess it'd be okay if you can limit the number of kids someone can have... *raises eyebrow*

it would basically follow the same principle as buying alcohol.

peopel get fake ID's to buy it, but having said that, its still far farrrr less than if it was legal and not controlled.

There will always be people out there doing what they can to kick the system in the ass and try to say *Hey! You cant control me!!*

i think its a good idea. I'm PL but I accept the fact that abortion isnt going anywhere. Women will always have the right to do with their bodies as they see fit.

This would actually benefit both sides. PC's would get the oportunity to stay in control of their bodies, while PL would be able to limit the number of babies being *taken*.


Carry on.

I think this was a comment of mine waaay back <_< lol. Or I posted something similar.

I agree that limiting the number of abortions AND children is a fair precedent.

I don't really think that's something you can limit...... that would be forcing a woman to conceive, wouldn't it? I'm not for that in any situation. I would hope that the cost and inconvenience of abortions would be enough to dissuade people from doing it multiple times.

Although I'm still not convinced that a high percentage of women/girls do this or that it's really a big problem.

Isn't the real issue here the heart and soul of women who keep conceiving children without the thought process of what is going to happen to them if the mother decides to dump them in the garbage bin?

Life is sacred and a gift from God. Who are any of us to say that is a throw away like a piece of trash?

These babies are sent to us for life. Not death. Sometimes, it seems that if it is only for a few moments through conception, even life in the womb, maybe that is all that they required to achieve life here on this place.

One lady wrote that she believes that PC'ers say "you won't tell me what to do. I will do it my way." That is all well and good. But, there are consequences for talking a life, let alone the life of your own child. There are things that follow like sorrow, depression and loss.

As I have said before, there are other options. There are countless families that would love to have your baby. Don't give him or her up without consideration that you too have a wonderful opportunity to do something great with your child. Life.

With respect.

Roberta

there arent enough adoptive familes. more kids are being born and are unwanted then there are people to adopt them

What are the statistical facts that support your statement that there are not enough families to adopt children?

Last time I checked, it seems it takes years for a family to be able to adopt a child.

Thanks.

so true Roberta, and if they do end up in an orpahages it's not like they stay there the rest of their life. They grow up learn from it and at least had a life to live..

most of the pro-choicers here are very negative people. They can't think the child might end up with a loving family. They always think the worst. That they are going to be abused, that they will never be loved, that all orphanages are terrible. That oh my life is over if I had a baby when I didn't planned. That oh I won't be able to finish my career. That oh I won't accomplish this and that.. For all not one sinch of positivity. They don't think they can succeed in life if obstacles are presented to them. They are loosers exactly, because that is the attitude of the loosers. I can't, I can't.. In that I take pride of being pro-lifer. We have courage, we are not negative but positive, we don't have a looser attitude, we persist, we believe we can do things and that we can succeed in life regardless of the obstacles. We are not afraid at what life will throw at us. And for all we respect the human life, even in the womb when many people think they are worthless.

Most of the pro-choicers here don't care about the potential child. We care about current, born, living rights. I'll say that right out. I do not care about the embryo. Do I wish there was another way? Yes. Do I wish birth control was more effective? Yes. But there isn't, and it's not. So we have abortion, and I will defend the right for me to control my own body to the death.

Oh that's right. I'd much rather be tied down and forced to gestate and give birth against my will. I'm sure 9 months being tied up and sick and ill culminating in the worst agony most humans ever have to experience, as bad as torture, giving birth, is waaayyyy better than having an abortion.

I'm sure I wouldn't be depressed or feel sorrow or loss after an ordeal like forced pregnancy and childbirth!

Most couples are looking to adopt nice, fresh babies, right out of the womb. They don't care about the children already in the system- they get pushed through families and orphanages all their life.

Are you joking? Way to over exaggerate, futureshock. There are things much more agonizing than the beauty of a human life growing inside of you.

Good grief. Its posted all over the place in here.

not really. only til they are legal, at 18.

i'd rather know that my parents gave me to an orphanage for the first 18 years of my life, then having the next 60 or so to make what i want of it, than to have been killed before getting that chance.

And you'd know how Rain? Tell me how you'd know you had been aborted.. especially since most abortions happen long before the embryo is even capable of feeling pain? Long before its self aware.. tell me how you'd know this.

Emotionalization in motion. Nothing more.

let me rephrase that..

i'd rather know that my parents CHOSE to keep me and give me up rather than abort me and not give me any chance at all.

better?

Still doesn't tell me how you'd know you were aborted.. but for now I'll accept the obfuscation from you..

who is trying to complicate things?

i never said i would *know* i had been aborted.

i said that if my parents had given me up for adoption that they OBVIOUSLY chose to give me a chance at life rather than end it.

read, woman.