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Q: Men's Rights In Pregnancy And Parenthood
asked by: Cambion on October 8th, 2007
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Has anyone ever noticed how, when it comes to the legal side of being a parent, the guys get the short end of the stick? Every decision can be made only by the woman - abortion, adoption, motherhood. I would never advocate men forcing women to get abortions, but why is it that if the woman wants to keep the waif and the man doesn't, her word trumps his? I can understand her word being law when the zygote/fetus is still in her uterus since at that time it is a part of her body. But when it's born, I think both parents should have equal rights. If one wants the kid and the other doesn't, why can't the parent that wants nothing to do with the child terminate their parental rights and not be required to pay child support?

My thought is if Mommy feels she alone can make the decision to keep a child, even knowing the father doesn't want the child, then clearly she must feel she can handle the responsibility of two parents all by herself. This would indicate to me that she could be a parent without the contents of the disapproving parent's wallet. I know some guys can get exempt from child support payments, but it's only in cases of neglect, abuse, inability to pay (unemployment, etc.) or if the kid is in the system. But what about your average joe who just had a condom break? Why is it right for him to get screwed over?

I know it takes two to make a baby, but when one parent has the ability to make the official decision regardless of the other parent's wishes, I think the man should be able to cop out. Just like if the woman wants to give the kid away and the father wants to keep it, is it not true that the mother can override his choice and put the child in the system anyway?

And let's not even talk about women who have children as the result of affairs and, since paternity gets assumed, the husband (who is not the biological father) is still forced to pay child support. Or the women who will poke holes in condoms or suck the semen out of used condoms and impregnate themselves with it. They are a whole other issue, and the guys will still get screwed over.

I think we are taking a step in the right direction with the development of male contraception, and I think doctors should not be so reluctant to sterilize men seeking vasectomies (maybe Dr. McQuack would be more willing to perform the surgery with the promise of all child support demands of any children resulting from refusal of the patient's request be forwarded to his office).

Thoughts? Considering my stance on children, I would be bloody terrified to be intimate with a woman if I were a guy.
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Mommy35
replied on October 8th, 2007
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Oh God, I know this topic has been beaten to death, but I think if a woman ends up pregnant whether it be by accident (birth control failed, condom broke, etc) or on purpose and the father is clear that he isn't ready/interested in being a parent and the woman continues on with the pregnancy than that woman should be prepared to raise the baby alone (financially, emotionally, and physically) until she finds some man who is interested in stepping into a ready made family. The father should be free from paying support or having any rights/responsibility over the child.

I know lots of guys that have got "trapped". They had sex with a girl, believing she was using birth control and she ended up pregnant. It's the biggest scam in history! They didn't want kids, were not ready for kids, and quite frankly are useless deadbeats now. They were honest with the child's mother, but she went ahead with the pregnancy anyway, which is of course her choice. They shouldn't be held responsible because they were lied to. Yes, they could have used a condom, but they were acting in good faith.

I don't think the daddy should step in years later and decide he's changed his mind and wants to be a father. It's too late.

I don't think it's right for a man to force an abortion on a woman either.
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ThriftyGal
replied on October 9th, 2007
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The father of my baby made the choice not to sign away his rights for a baby I wanted to put up for adoption, so no, my word did not trump his. The decision fell onto his shoulder, unfortunately. Just pointing out your bias, because it was false in my situation.

I actually agree with you, that a man should be able to have an "abortion". Like say he could have an option where he could sign away all rights to the child, as in visits and stuff, and also then be free of any type of parental responsibility, that would be fair. He could go on living his life as if he never created a child, just like a woman does when she opts for abortion. If a woman can have an "out" when it comes to parenting, a man should too.

By the way we just did this topic.

signed;
Stoopid Pregnant Tanya
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Georgia59
replied on October 9th, 2007
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yeah we went over this recently.

I'll agree with the idea that men should have an "opt out" period during the early pregnancy. If they choose to opt out, they will not be responsible financially or legally.

Of course this is sticky especially if the woman is still with the man, or any other strange circumstance. There are always exceptions.
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nightangel73
replied on October 9th, 2007
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would be better if the couple discusses the what if's with respect to pregnancy before they begin to have sexual relations.
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Tylanas
replied on October 9th, 2007
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tanyaface wrote:
The father of my baby made the choice not to sign away his rights for a baby I wanted to put up for adoption, so no, my word did not trump his. The decision fell onto his shoulder, unfortunately. Just pointing out your bias, because it was false in my situation.

I actually agree with you, that a man should be able to have an "abortion". Like say he could have an option where he could sign away all rights to the child, as in visits and stuff, and also then be free of any type of parental responsibility, that would be fair. He could go on living his life as if he never created a child, just like a woman does when she opts for abortion. If a woman can have an "out" when it comes to parenting, a man should too.

By the way we just did this topic.

signed;
LOVELY Pregnant Tanya


I agree!! *thumbs up*
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Georgia59
replied on October 10th, 2007
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nightangel73 wrote:
would be better if the couple discusses the what if's with respect to pregnancy before they begin to have sexual relations.


Totally agree. Things like abortion needs to be discussed beforehand.
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sillyakchick
replied on October 10th, 2007
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I agree that if the male did not want to have the child, that he should be allowed to sign away his rights. But this also means he must never try to contact the child again.
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Dannzibelle
replied on October 10th, 2007
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It takes two people to make a baby so two people should make the decision but afterall it is the woman's body so if she's not tottaly comfortable with the decision made then she should have the final say
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jessamyn
replied on October 10th, 2007
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Re: Men's Rights In Pregnancy And Parenthood
Cambion wrote:
why can't the parent that wants nothing to do with the child terminate their parental rights and not be required to pay child support?



You can, so dont complain that you cant. My sons father didnt want him and I did. He signed his rights over and is not paying child support. You just have to have a woman whos willing to agree and not force you into payments for a child you do not want.
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Tylanas
replied on October 10th, 2007
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And that's the point: the woman shouldn't have the right to force the man to pay child support. She has a right to abort no matter what, so the man should have the right to "abort" no matter what.
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jessamyn
replied on October 10th, 2007
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Eiri wrote:
And that's the point: the woman shouldn't have the right to force the man to pay child support. She has a right to abort no matter what, so the man should have the right to "abort" no matter what.


Abort the child or abort parenthood?

Yes a man should have a right to walk away, hard or not from becoming a father. Although I hate my sons bio dad for what he did in a way I respect him for walking away when he did.

But if you mean the firts option I mentioned your insane and about to start the wrong debate. Because a man should have no control or say over a womans body.
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Tylanas
replied on October 10th, 2007
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jessamyn wrote:
Eiri wrote:
And that's the point: the woman shouldn't have the right to force the man to pay child support. She has a right to abort no matter what, so the man should have the right to "abort" no matter what.


Abort the child or abort parenthood?

Yes a man should have a right to walk away, hard or not from becoming a father. Although I hate my sons bio dad for what he did in a way I respect him for walking away when he did.

But if you mean the firts option I mentioned your insane and about to start the wrong debate. Because a man should have no control or say over a womans body.

I put abort in parenthesis to make it obvious I meant parenthood.
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jessamyn
replied on October 10th, 2007
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okay sorry.. I'm not one to debate but I was about to "chew your head off", in the nicest way possible, my apologizes.

No you're right. Although I have alot of negativities agianst my son's biological father its more emotional agianst him.

Yes it is harder without him (emotionally, physically, financially)

BUT he chose to sign his rights over, we exchanged rights for child support and he walked away. and it was better then at 2-3 months old than now that my son is 3 you know?

So although I dont support, part time, so so dad's I do on one level or not agree with you on this!
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