Well, I tried to read your reply embarassed but all that showed up on my screen was

I am sorry that your self esteem is so low from your erectile problems that you have to insult women who would therefore not be interested in bedding you frivolously. You may be able to make the psychological connection that alienating yourself from those you would be unable to be with makes it easier for you to accept this.



See, Eiri, psychology isn't all that bad...

I love psychology, I just get all angry-faced when it's used ON me Sometimes anyway, not all the time. Everyone can benefit from some therapy every now and again, even if it's just a theraputic pat on the shoulder.

Edited to add the same thing I said on the other topic: Entertaining as this is, we really should stop XD hehehe.

I was not aware my self esteem was low. If I alienate myself from other posters, I have decided that is OK. Apparently you are taking this very personally since you are now referring to a certain medical problem, I had briefly after an acute illness. I guess that is funny to you, perhaps you also find frivolous abortions funny as well. Well as it stands my penis is working just fine once again, since you indirectly asked earlier.

I want to thank both you and Eiri for participating in the thread I started, now I think you should consider staying on-topic and not become so personally invested in every word I say!

I don't think many women would abort again "in a heartbeat", even those who felt relief and made the right decision.
Regardless of reasons for doing it aborting is never an easy choice.


There are many women who have abortions and have children (I will be one of them next year and I'm sure there are others on this forum).
The fact is that if I hadn't aborted I wouldn't be pregnant now and I stand by the fact mty abortion was right for me, I just made a different CHOICE with this pregnancy!

trina1 wrote:
I mean having an abortion and knowing the outcome of the human life inside you would be very difficult to say the least. Then....giving birth to a child after that and falling in love with that child the moment you see him/her....that would be life changing.

Ok.. As a mother who had a child then later aborted a pregnancy let me say this: Bull Pucky!
Also I knew long before the abortion what "the life inside you" looked like: I made a reasoned thought out decision based in facts and medical information and made an appointment to abort. It was my choice: it was not made from emotionalism, it was what I decided was best for my body at that point.
I knew what happens during pregnancy: my baby just turned 18 last month, I researched what happens during abortion; I already knew what happens when a wanted fetus expires in utero as well.
Yes giving birth is life changing; so is miscarrying. The only pregnancy I was relaxed with was the one I aborted.

So what is your point? That is you personally....but I still stand by what I said. I have worked with many girls who have aborted and many who have kept their babys and I have seen both sides of the issue. I have seen girls that have had abortions walk away happy and smiling(and do it again) and I have seen girls devastated beyond belief and everything in between. So you see.....you are talking about you personally....I am talking about many over a 18 year period.

Yes, Trina, some women WILL regret their abortion. Does that mean we should mke it illegal? Many MORE women do not regret it.

I hate rules put in place to protect a small piece of the population from themselves. I always hated punishing the class in school for the errors of one kid.

Ummm....this all started with the question of who is stronger...women who abort or women who give birth. Where on this thread did I say anything about the legality of abortion?

You are correct the subject at hand was supposed to be who was stonger, I think the concensus seems to be that non-abortee's are a little stronger, on the whole. Sometimes Eiri gets a little off-topic, defensive, & overly emotional. Those are her tactics when she realize she is "Losing" an argument!

Eiri and I have had many a good debate.

I think that most teenagers who choose to give birth are weaker, because they are being pressured from outside forces. No sane teenager throws their entire future away.

Thank you for your opinion. I wholeheartly disagree, it is completly obvious all the pressure is coming from the abortion side, and the young lady is strong by deciding to keep the child, despite the pressure to abort.

The teenager who has aborted their child is the one who has a permanent stain for life. She is unmarriable to many men and will forever realize she was weak and greedy, and now her potential child is dead. Very sad.

Once again thank you for your attempt to label any mother who has a child as a teenager as "Insane"! I think we can all see the shaky ground you stand on, with that statement alone.

Cheers!

I know this will come as a big shock to you...but I disagree. One girl that stands out in my mind was about 10 years ago. She was 16 and her and her boyfriend had been dating for awhile. When she ended up pregnant...her bf was gone like a shot and her parents laid out her options to her(abortion being one), along with adoption, and keeping the baby. If she kept the baby...they told her she could live at their house...but she must continue to go to school, graduate, find child care while she was at school, and work a part time job to pay for the child care during the day(the parents would keep the baby in the evening when she was at work). The girl chose to keep her baby. She spent the remainder of her hs years studying, working, and being a mom. She graduated with a 3.8 gpa and went on to go to college majoring in journalism. While in college...she met her future husband who was also a journalism major. When she graduated they were married and he adopted her little girl. The both went on to get basement floor journalism jobs at a local tv station, then moved up to reporting and finally to anchor jobs in our small market. Two years ago they were each offered positions with CBS news out of NY. She is now an anchor and his is a very visible reporter. While I cannot disclose names...I can tell you that if you watch CBS national news.....you would know exactly who I am talking about.

So you see....this young girl not only didn't throw her future away....she also didn't throw her unborn childs future away either....and this young woman is one of the strongest women I have ever had the pleasure to know.

I really don't see what "marriage material" has to do with abortion. Some men would never consider marrying a woman who was flat-chested, or liked to wear her hair short, or didn't have a doctorate degree from Princeton.

Furthermore, many women would not want to marry a man who would dismiss her worth so easily. Stable marriage needs a foundation of love, understanding, and support... not judgment or bias.

Why are we so quick to judge?? Hmm???

I think the more right decision (not stronger) is the one that a woman makes for the best case scenario, with all of her options in mind and available, with no pressure from any side.

I think everyone has challenges that they need to face, everyone is strong (out of necessity) in certain situations. I think it's ridiculous to assume that "all women who do x are strong, all women who do y aren't strong."

Excellent point!

No abortion is "frivolous". Each and every woman who aborts has what she considers a good reason for doing so, and just because you or I may disagree with that reason does not make it "frivolous". It is very valid to her and that is all that matters.

I do not think that women who carry to term are necessarily stronger than women who don't. As Cambion said, it takes strength to make a decision to do something that is so controversial and contentious. I wonder if the OP is a Christian? If he is, he's being hypocritical since so many Christians say they are weak and *need* god in their lives.

Oh, and I am one of those women who would abort again in a New York minute. It was the right choice for all concerned 19 years ago and it will be the right choice again if I ever again conceive. This bod will *never* birth.

ETA: regarding the term "retarded", it is considered offensive nowadays but I do not support censorship, so I would disagree with the person's post being edited. I find there to be way too much censorship and closing of topics on this board - one reason why I don't post a whole lot anymore.

I think I have explained that a woman who has frivolously aborted would not be suitable for marriage, in my case. I am not interested in a woman who has carelessly tossed human life in the rubbish container. Maybe other people don't care all that much, but I want my wife to be a loving woman, who would never consider such a horrid act. I hope that further explains my position on frivolous abortions and marriage material! I'd like to give this point a rest...

I really don't care who you're interested in marrying. No one even mentions marriage apart from you, so if you want the point to rest... stop bringing it up.

You are the one who brought it up this time! I have been trying to put the subject to bed! My point has been made about frivolous abortions and marriage many times over! I may occassionaly add it into a post or two, but if my thoughts don't interest you, just ignore them!