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embarrassed40
on October 10th, 2007
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Dannzibelle wrote:
i really don't think i could ever go through with an abortion because i don't have that kind of strength and likewise i'm sure many other 16 year olds who found themselves in my position wouldn't have the kind of strength needed to carry on with a pregnancy


You had the strength. People willing to have an abortion are not strong it is cowardice and not worthy of the same lofty category you are in, regardless of your high opinion of them.
FINE PRINT:Of course that is my opinion, and all the special circumstances I have outlined in previous posts regarding victims still apply. Thank you for shopping with Embarrassed. Smile
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Verizon-y
replied on October 10th, 2007
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Marianne0558 wrote:

Those 3 abortions in this state were in a year's period. They moved out of state had had 2 more, all within 6 more months. 5 abortions in a year-and-a-half is ridiculous to me and you don't have to agree with that.

But I do agree with you, although not for moral reasons. Nobody should subject their bodies to that much medical intervention/surgery.
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futureshock wrote:

I agree with you 100% here. But, if you are pro-choice, what does it matter how many abortions a person has? Just curious.

It matters because there has to be a line SOMEWHERE. While I think it should be a woman's choice to go through with pregnancy or not, I don't think she should be given the right to have hundreds. (exaggeration of course). You would think by then, this woman would have learned where babies come from. Rolling Eyes


Wow, I am shocked, and I take back my doubt about your initial assertion. Thank-you for having the patience to educate me on this.

YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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futureshock wrote:
Marianne0558 wrote:

Those 3 abortions in this state were in a year's period. They moved out of state had had 2 more, all within 6 more months. 5 abortions in a year-and-a-half is ridiculous to me and you don't have to agree with that.

But I do agree with you, although not for moral reasons. Nobody should subject their bodies to that much medical intervention/surgery.
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futureshock wrote:

I agree with you 100% here. But, if you are pro-choice, what does it matter how many abortions a person has? Just curious.

It matters because there has to be a line SOMEWHERE. While I think it should be a woman's choice to go through with pregnancy or not, I don't think she should be given the right to have hundreds. (exaggeration of course). You would think by then, this woman would have learned where babies come from. Rolling Eyes




Wow, I am shocked, and I take back my doubt about your initial assertion. Thank-you for having the patience to educate me on this.

YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Your welcome! We must educate people one at a time, it brings great please to see you have reached a higher level of understanding! Smile
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Jincks013
replied on October 10th, 2007
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embarrassed40 wrote:
Dannzibelle wrote:
i really don't think i could ever go through with an abortion because i don't have that kind of strength and likewise i'm sure many other 16 year olds who found themselves in my position wouldn't have the kind of strength needed to carry on with a pregnancy


You had the strength. People willing to have an abortion are not strong it is cowardice and not worthy of the same lofty category you are in, regardless of your high opinion of them.
FINE PRINT:Of course that is my opinion, and all the special circumstances I have outlined in previous posts regarding victims still apply. Thank you for shopping with Embarrassed. Smile


Its a good thing your opinion doesn't regulate my body then Embarrassed. BTW.. just out of curiosity who made you grand judge of women?
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replied on October 10th, 2007
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I still don't buy the fact that tons of women are out there getting multiple abortions. I really don't. It is not cost effective, it is not healthy, and abortion clinics usually encourage girls to go on bc, right?
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Marianne0558
replied on October 10th, 2007
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Georgia59 wrote:
I still don't buy the fact that tons of women are out there getting multiple abortions. I really don't. It is not cost effective, it is not healthy, and abortion clinics usually encourage girls to go on bc, right?

Nobody ever said that tons of women are out there doing this. I said some women. There's not exact number, but I know of one person in particular. And if little ole ME knows someone who's done it, I'm sure she's not alone.
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embarrassed40
replied on October 10th, 2007
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Jincks013 wrote:
embarrassed40 wrote:
Dannzibelle wrote:
i really don't think i could ever go through with an abortion because i don't have that kind of strength and likewise i'm sure many other 16 year olds who found themselves in my position wouldn't have the kind of strength needed to carry on with a pregnancy


You had the strength. People willing to have an abortion are not strong it is cowardice and not worthy of the same lofty category you are in, regardless of your high opinion of them.
FINE PRINT:Of course that is my opinion, and all the special circumstances I have outlined in previous posts regarding victims still apply. Thank you for shopping with Embarrassed. Smile


Its a good thing your opinion doesn't regulate my body then Embarrassed. BTW.. just out of curiosity who made you grand judge of women?


Thank you for the title of "GRAND judge of women". I would not go that far, but I do feel that I have every right to judge who is suitable marital material and who is not...after all it is myyyy body! Razz
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Jincks013
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Georgia59 wrote:
I still don't buy the fact that tons of women are out there getting multiple abortions. I really don't. It is not cost effective, it is not healthy, and abortion clinics usually encourage girls to go on bc, right?


I wasn't aware that there were 'tons' of women getting multiple abortions; if that is their birth control method then more power to them but dammed if I am going to hand over control of my body because of a limited few.
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Marianne0558
replied on October 11th, 2007
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My husband and I were talking about abortion last night. His words were "Men should not have a say-so in the matter because they don't get pregnant and deliver babies." I don't really agree with that because it takes men to make a baby in the first place.

He said there should be an application process for abortions and they should only accept certain people. My argument to that was then the women who got denied would find another way to abort, thus endangering their own lives.

I do think there should be a limit on how many a woman can have in a certain timeframe before some actions are taken though. Maybe free birth control to all should be thrown out there. If it's free, there would be no reason to not be on it-unless you are trying to get pregnant.
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Jincks013
replied on October 11th, 2007
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I tend to side with your hubby on this.. I don't want anyone incapable of facing that decision to try to make rules about it for me.
I don't want a lifetime abortion limit: I want women to have a choice in what they do. I choose to gestate; many times; I got two daughters out of the deal, 2 late term miscarriages; one stillbirth and one abortion.
Don't try to limit me.
YOu won't succeed.. lets place a lifetime limit on gestations permitted then.. how about along with limiting abortions per lifetime we limit by the same number how many gestations women are allowed.
We'll include the men so it suits you.. lets limit the number of times he's allowed to ejaculate into a womans vagina then..how about limiting the number of times he's allowed to spew sperm to the number of abortions permitted to the woman.. that would be fair and equal.
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Marianne0558
replied on October 11th, 2007
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Jincks013 wrote:
I tend to side with your hubby on this.. I don't want anyone incapable of facing that decision to try to make rules about it for me.
I don't want a lifetime abortion limit: I want women to have a choice in what they do. I choose to gestate; many times; I got two daughters out of the deal, 2 late term miscarriages; one stillbirth and one abortion.
Don't try to limit me.
YOu won't succeed.. lets place a lifetime limit on gestations permitted then.. how about along with limiting abortions per lifetime we limit by the same number how many gestations women are allowed.
We'll include the men so it suits you.. lets limit the number of times he's allowed to ejaculate into a womans vagina then..how about limiting the number of times he's allowed to spew sperm to the number of abortions permitted to the woman.. that would be fair and equal.


If you actually read my post, I said there should be a limit to the amount allowed in a certain timeframe, (BEFORE CERTAIN ACTIONS ARE TAKEN) NOT a lifetime--that would be stupid and ineffective. Wink
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replied on October 11th, 2007
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Marianne0558 wrote:
My husband and I were talking about abortion last night. His words were "Men should not have a say-so in the matter because they don't get pregnant and deliver babies." I don't really agree with that because it takes men to make a baby in the first place.

Do you think a man should have a say in keeping a baby or aborting it?
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Marianne0558
replied on October 11th, 2007
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meblonde01 wrote:

Do you think a man should have a say in keeping a baby or aborting it?


I think that ideally, the decision should be made *as a couple.*

If the man has already run out on the pregnant women, the decision of course is hers.

I don't think the man has *as much* say in keeping or aborting, but he should at least have his concerns recognized and considered.
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Jincks013
replied on October 11th, 2007
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Either limitation is unacceptable to me unless you are planning a similar limitation on the men to have equal value and a similar limitation on gestation. Otherwise it is more of the same old control over us bad women who actually have abortions and all the gods forbid (sarcasm coming) that any woman actually have the right to decide what is right for her because It doesn't fit My Morality and ONLY mine is important!! How dare she decide what is best for her?? ZOMG!!1!1!1!

No limitations on choice.
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replied on October 11th, 2007
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Jincks013 wrote:

We'll include the men so it suits you.. lets limit the number of times he's allowed to ejaculate into a womans vagina then..how about limiting the number of times he's allowed to spew sperm to the number of abortions permitted to the woman.. that would be fair and equal.


Fairrrrrrrrrrr and equallllllllllll are not relevent to this discussion. Force yourself to use your brain and stay on point!
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Marianne0558
replied on October 11th, 2007
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Jincks013 wrote:
Either limitation is unacceptable to me unless you are planning a similar limitation on the men to have equal value and a similar limitation on gestation. Otherwise it is more of the same old control over us bad women who actually have abortions and all the gods forbid (sarcasm coming) that any woman actually have the right to decide what is right for her because It doesn't fit My Morality and ONLY mine is important!! How dare she decide what is best for her?? ZOMG!!1!1!1!

No limitations on choice.


You sound like an extreeeeme feminist.

You're not understanding what I am saying.

First, this post was in response to one earlier that I had made about certain people having a ridiculous amount of abortions within a year and a half. 5.
Everyone who has had an abortion has stated that it is a horrible experience. If it is so horrible, why subject yourself to having 5 or 6 in a year??? That is stupid.

The point of my post was limiting the amount that a women could have in a timeframe, like so many a year.

If they made birth control FREE TO EVERYONE, I doubt this would even be a problem

You're allowed to have your own opinion regarding MINE, but don't sit there and put words in my mouth about "bad women who abort". God has nothing to do with it.
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Jincks013
replied on October 11th, 2007
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Even if there was unlimited access to birth control people still have a right not to take it!! We do not decide what other people do with their bodies.
Yes using abortion as birth control is not only bad for a body over time but far more expensive then a birth control method but it STILL isn't up to you or me to make either of those choices for someone else.
It-is-their-choice.
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Marianne0558
replied on October 11th, 2007
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I understand that. I wasn't saying women should be FORCED to take birth control. I said it should be available for free. That would at least cut down, I believe.
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replied on October 11th, 2007
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Marianne0558 wrote:
I understand that. I wasn't saying women should be FORCED to take birth control. I said it should be available for free. That would at least cut down, I believe.

I agree wholeheartedly!
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Marianne0558
replied on October 11th, 2007
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Finally!!!!!!!!!! Someone agrees with me! Yay!
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