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Early/unexpected Motherhood Vs Abortion...who Is Stronger? Posted: 10-07-07 00:15am
I hold that ON THE WHOLE, ladies that have
experiencedEarly/unexpected motherhood are
much stonger than those that have chosen
frivolous abortion.
The mothers are willing to hang tough in
a less than ideal situation, while many of
the abortionists have their collective
head spinning for the nearest exit sign
the minute they read the pregnancy test.
I do not necessarily mean this as an
insult, just a factual observation. I
think it is important to know oneself, and
my hope is this serves as illumination to
those that need it!
My hope would be to hear about a few more
women make the proper and stronger call
and keep their child, if they physically
are capable of carrying him/her. I do not
see any reason for anyone to disagree with
my assessment.
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Cambion
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Posted: 10-07-07 01:09am
I think women who abort are stronger. I
feel it takes a lot sometimes to stand in
the face of retarded protesting
pro-lifers, to do something their
families, friends and partners may object
to, and to think more about whether or not
they can afford or properly support the
child even if it is very wanted and
realize, in some cases, that they cannot
afford a baby at that time or are just
plain not ready for one. Some women can
abort without a second thought, but for
others it's an agonizing decision.
Women who keep unplanned babies when they
know they can't afford them or can't care
for them properly or find people to help
care for them properly are just plain
stupid and I pity no one in that type of
situation but the child. Some women tend
to think that babies make everything
perfect, fix broken
relationships/marriages, that God will
provide for them and that everything will
overall be okay. These are usually the
children who grow up in poverty or with
only one parent or in the system.
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HcoBrunette06
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Posted: 10-07-07 03:29am
I don't think you can say either one is
stronger, it all depends on the situation
of the expecting mother/couple.
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Posted: 10-07-07 07:51am
I agree with Cambion on this one. Women
who make their choice out of knowlege and
intellect are stronger then a woman who
allows herself to be bullied by
pro-fetal-life thugs or doesn't have
enough spine to stand up to the world and
do it her own way.
Each woman has a choice in what goes on in
her own body and whether she will allow it
to happen; to let others take that choice
away isn't being strong; its showing she
can be controlled.
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dj12
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Posted: 10-07-07 08:01am
embarrassed40
wrote:
I think it is important to
know oneself,
most women who get abortions do know
themselves really well and i think are
more honest with themselves because they
know what they can and cannot do. I agree
with Cambion, most of the kids that grow
up to be poor and most likely will be a
delinquent/ end up in jail when they grow
older are the ones mostly raised by those
women who decided to keep their kids and
just throw everything to God and hpe
everything will be ok. im not saying this
happens to all of them, but it happens too
often. im also not saying that everyone
should just go on aborting. i think the
stronger woman is the one who knows the
consequence of either choices, chooses a
path on her own, and goes with it because
she knows its the best for her and her
future
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embarrassed40
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Posted: 10-07-07 09:50am
[quote="Cambion"]I think women who abort
are stronger. I feel it takes a lot
sometimes to stand in the face of retarded
protesting pro-lifers,
quote]
Please watch your language "Retarded" is
both an inappropriate & insensitive
word to use, it also shows a lack of
intellect.
Thank you for your consideration.
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Jules
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Posted: 10-07-07 10:13am
Ok genuine question here: 'retarded' is a
word that just isn't used in the UK, it's
considered offensive. Other UK girls feel
free to correct me but it's just not a
word that is used commonly. However, I
notice a lot of US people use it and it
doesn't cause a stir so I never know
whether it should be edited or not.
Is 'retarded' considered offensive in the
US?
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Posted: 10-07-07 11:09am
From a U.S. perspecitive it is
descriptive; a word meaning someone
deliberately is not getting the idea;
stunted maybe is better.
I think its legitimate. She is pointing
out that the protesters are deliberately
ignoring facts to protest. I am not sure
why Embarrassed is taking this personally
since she was not calling him retarded.
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Posted: 10-07-07 11:09am
"Retarded" is not as offensive in the US,
it really isn't. Some politically correct
people get offended by it, but in a
strange twist, I'd personally be more
offended to be called an idiot or
stupid than retarded. It's used in almost
a humerous sense. "Don't be retarded" and
"don't be ridiculous" are pretty close in
tone and meaning. If you're calling
someone retarded, you don't necessarily
mean it. You call them an idiot
though, and you mean it. "Stupid" is a
fairly light word too, along with "dumb".
Heck, I invented a word with some friends
for describing really crazy/dumb
situations: retardicated.
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Posted: 10-07-07 11:17am
As for the original topic:
I really think it depends on the
situation, but "strong" versus "stupid"
comes to mind in a lot of these
situations.
I think any woman who makes her own
decision despite what others are
forcing her to do is "strong". However,
her decision may not be the smartest
choice. If you have no home, no income and
no spouse, yes it may be "strong" to keep
an unwanted pregnancy but it's really not
smart.
I also think it is strong of a woman to
abort despite the pressures of people
around her. I'm trying to think of when
this could be a stupid decision... Well,
if she was say, 8 months along I'd
consider that a pretty stupid decision but
that's a little subjective so it doesn't
really work.
I think a "weak" abortion would be a woman
who aborts because the child is the wrong
gender or something like that. O.o
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embarrassed40
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Posted: 10-07-07 11:18am
Jincks013
wrote:
From a U.S. perspecitive it
is descriptive; a word meaning someone
deliberately is not getting the idea;
stunted maybe is better.
I think its legitimate. She is pointing
out that the protesters are deliberately
ignoring facts to protest. I am not sure
why Embarrassed is taking this personally
since she was not calling him
retarded.
I think it is simply an inappropriate
& insensitive word to use. Similiar to
calling gay folks "people". It has no
place in this debate. Thank you for the
interest and inquiry.
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Birch
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Posted: 10-07-07 16:00pm
I find the usage of the word "retarded"
shows a lack of understanding for the
etiology of the word, except for those who
use it in reference to prolifers because
their development is delayed and thus,
'retarded'.
In all seriousness, I go out of my way to
prohibit this word from being used to
insult someone in my presence.
As for the original post, what is
"stronger" exactly? What does that mean?
How can you say that one decision makes a
person stronger or weaker?
I think a person who faces challenges and
overcomes them to be a better person is a
strong person. I don't think that a
decision about abortion/gestating makes or
breaks it.
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Posted: 10-07-07 16:04pm
Cambion
wrote:
I think women who abort are
stronger. I feel it takes a lot sometimes
to stand in the face of retarded
protesting pro-lifers, to do something
their families, friends and partners may
object to, and to think more about whether
or not they can afford or properly support
the child even if it is very wanted and
realize, in some cases, that they cannot
afford a baby at that time or are just
plain not ready for one. Some women can
abort without a second thought, but for
others it's an agonizing decision.
Women who keep unplanned babies when they
know they can't afford them or can't care
for them properly or find people to help
care for them properly are just plain
stupid and I pity no one in that type of
situation but the child. Some women tend
to think that babies make everything
perfect, fix broken
relationships/marriages, that God will
provide for them and that everything will
overall be okay. These are usually the
children who grow up in poverty or with
only one parent or in the
system.
okay but this same scenario applies to
women who have children. its hard to face
the world when they think you arent ready
or prepared for it
its hard to make either the decition to
abort or go through with it
i agree with terra on this
neither is stronger than another
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embarrassed40
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Posted: 10-07-07 18:08pm
Birch
wrote:
I find the usage of the word
"retarded" shows a lack of understanding
for the etiology of the word, except for
those who use it in reference to prolifers
because their development is delayed and
thus, 'retarded'.
In all seriousness, I go out of my way to
prohibit this word from being used to
insult someone in my presence.
As for the original post, what is
"stronger" exactly? What does that mean?
How can you say that one decision makes a
person stronger or weaker?
I think a person who faces challenges and
overcomes them to be a better person is a
strong person. I don't think that a
decision about abortion/gestating makes or
breaks it.
I say if you took a random sample of 100
ladies who have had frivolous abortions
and compare them to 100 ladies who chose
to give birth, I think the ladies that
have given birth would be stonger people,
on the whole!
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trina1
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Posted: 10-07-07 19:03pm
embarrassed40
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
I find the usage of the word
"retarded" shows a lack of understanding
for the etiology of the word, except for
those who use it in reference to prolifers
because their development is delayed and
thus, 'retarded'.
In all seriousness, I go out of my way to
prohibit this word from being used to
insult someone in my presence.
As for the original post, what is
"stronger" exactly? What does that mean?
How can you say that one decision makes a
person stronger or weaker?
I think a person who faces challenges and
overcomes them to be a better person is a
strong person. I don't think that a
decision about abortion/gestating makes or
breaks it.
I say if you took a random sample of 100
ladies who have had frivolous abortions
and compare them to 100 ladies who chose
to give birth, I think the ladies that
have given birth would be stonger people,
on the whole!
I tend to disagree. I believe it is not
the easy and good things in life that make
us stronger.....but the difficult ones.
Abortion is not an easy decision....and
often the repercussions of that choice are
life long. My belief would be that out of
those 100 who chose abortion....about 25%
would never admit to feeling anything but
relief and would do it again in a
heartbeat, 25% would be angry at
themselves for doing it and never do it
again but still hold on to their prochoice
stance, 25% would both never do it again
and feel a greater understanding for why
pl think the way they do, and
finally.....25% would realize that
abortion can't be taken back, that it was
neither the right choice for them or their
unborn fetus and thus change from being pc
to pl and fight like crazy the rest of
their lives to respect and protect all
human life from conception to natural
death. Now "that" is real strength.
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Posted: 10-07-07 20:00pm
Trina, what about women who have done
both: had abortions, AND have given birth?
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trina1
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Posted: 10-07-07 20:14pm
Eiri
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Trina, what about women who
have done both: had abortions, AND have
given birth?
What about them? As I took it....the
comparison was the strength of women who
had had abortions vs. women who had given
birth. If you are asking what level of
strength I think these women who have had
an abortion and then give birth are....I
would say extra-ordinary. I mean having an
abortion and knowing the outcome of the
human life inside you would be very
difficult to say the least. Then....giving
birth to a child after that and falling in
love with that child the moment you see
him/her....that would be life changing.
You would indeed have to become very
strong because the child you gave birth to
would always be a reminder of the child
you didn't. That would take a strenghth I
don't think I have.
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Posted: 10-07-07 23:00pm
embarrassed40
wrote:
Jincks013
wrote:
From a U.S. perspecitive it
is descriptive; a word meaning someone
deliberately is not getting the idea;
stunted maybe is better.
I think its legitimate. She is pointing
out that the protesters are deliberately
ignoring facts to protest. I am not sure
why Embarrassed is taking this personally
since she was not calling him
retarded.
I think it is simply an inappropriate
& insensitive word to use. Similiar to
calling gay folks "people". It has no
place in this debate. Thank you for the
interest and
inquiry.
I think it is perfectly legitimate
particularly in view of the fact you
posted a direct insult to all pro-choice
posters. You can't have your cake and eat
it too. Either an implied lack of
intelligence bothers you or not.
Please remove your highly offensive post
directly calling pro-choicers dumber the
rubber dolls.
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Posted: 10-07-07 23:18pm
embarrassed40
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
I find the usage of the word
"retarded" shows a lack of understanding
for the etiology of the word, except for
those who use it in reference to prolifers
because their development is delayed and
thus, 'retarded'.
In all seriousness, I go out of my way to
prohibit this word from being used to
insult someone in my presence.
As for the original post, what is
"stronger" exactly? What does that mean?
How can you say that one decision makes a
person stronger or weaker?
I think a person who faces challenges and
overcomes them to be a better person is a
strong person. I don't think that a
decision about abortion/gestating makes or
breaks it.
I say if you took a random sample of 100
ladies who have had frivolous abortions
and compare them to 100 ladies who chose
to give birth, I think the ladies that
have given birth would be stonger people,
on the whole!
You didn't explain what stronger means to
you.
What is your intent here?
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embarrassed40
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Posted: 10-07-07 23:27pm
Birch
wrote:
embarrassed40
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
I find the usage of the word
"retarded" shows a lack of understanding
for the etiology of the word, except for
those who use it in reference to prolifers
because their development is delayed and
thus, 'retarded'.
In all seriousness, I go out of my way to
prohibit this word from being used to
insult someone in my presence.
As for the original post, what is
"stronger" exactly? What does that mean?
How can you say that one decision makes a
person stronger or weaker?
I think a person who faces challenges and
overcomes them to be a better person is a
strong person. I don't think that a
decision about abortion/gestating makes or
breaks it.
I say if you took a random sample of 100
ladies who have had frivolous abortions
and compare them to 100 ladies who chose
to give birth, I think the ladies that
have given birth would be stonger people,
on the whole!
You didn't explain what stronger means to
you.
What is your intent
here?
Birch, you have labeled me a troll on
numorous occassions. Normally I would
decline to answer your question since you
have been so impolite to me BUT I will
give you this one-time courtesy since you
seem like a nice old bird. I feel that
women who have decided to bear their child
are more willing to SACRIFICE and I think
that makes them STRONGER people on the
whole than the females who have chosen to
frivolously abort.
I think it goes without saying that in a
marriage partner, being willing to
sacrifice is a critical element.
Therefore ladies who are willing to
partake in frivolous abortions are not
good marriage material.
