Wow...his ignorance is so profuse that
it's nauseating (which means he'd fit
right in with the pro-lifers here). He
sounds he needs a good hard beating with a
clue-by-four.
I've talked to my BF about abortion too
and he's totally pro-choice...which is
good, because I told him if I ever got
pregnant, I'd get an abortion whether he
liked it or not.
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Posted: 10-04-07 09:58am
nightangel73
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
In my last relationship, I
actually wouldn't have gotten an abortion
out of respect for my bf's pro-life/choice
views. I wouldn't have kept it because
getting an abortion would be "against his
will" or some such crock, I would have
kept it because I knew what kind of couple
I wanted to give it
to.
of course if you have no respect for the
new life makes sense not to respect your
bf's views too.
Do you not know how to read? I do believe
the first sentece up there was "Out of
RESPECT for my bf's pro-life/choice
views." Oh well, reading comprehension
isn't necessary in America I guess.
Quote:
You should
definetly not get involved with a prolife
man for a relationship. You will be much
better with a
PC.
Heck yeah I'd better. My body, my choice.
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Posted: 10-04-07 10:01am
Jincks013
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
In my last relationship, I
actually wouldn't have gotten an abortion
out of respect for my bf's pro-life/choice
views. I wouldn't have kept it because
getting an abortion would be "against his
will" or some such crock, I would have
kept it because I knew what kind of couple
I wanted to give it
to.
That is an interesting idea. You can pick
the adopting couple? I know this happens
in interfamily open adoptions and step
parent adoptions and have heard of this
once before with someone I knew who was
18, pregnant, desperate because she was
almost 23 weeks before she knew she was
pregnant and couldn't get an abortion.
She went to an adoption agency and picked
the parents (I was the driver for these
trips) but I was under the impression this
was rare.
I was under the impression I could O.o
I'd demand to pick the potential parents!
Why? Because...
They'd be homosexuals!!! ^^ Yay! Either a lesbian
couple or a gay couple.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 10-04-07 15:25pm
Lol- this made me think of the last convo
about what to do with a woman who is
comatose but pregnant, if you could pull
the plug (and kill the baby) or incubate
the mommy until baby is born and then pull
the plug.
I asked my husband what he thought, and he
looked at me sideways (trying to determine
what my flaming feminist mind was hoping
he would say) and he said "I would not
want you to be just an incubator for a
child, I would let you die."
I was so happy! We had the abortion talk
long before we got married. Thank god,
cause I don't know if I could've dealt
with marrying a pro-lifer.
I wonder what would happen if the two of
you got pregnant? Then maybe he would
start seeing it as not mere
irresponsibility but reality. Know what I
mean?
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 10-04-07 15:29pm
nightangel73
wrote:
Right on brunette. Yes he is not going to
change mind for comming here. I have been
here for long time and if anything I'm
more prolife than I was before. Eiri can
convince young inocent girls like you but
definetly not me, not many in
here..
Actually, it has nothing to do with being,
young or innocent. It has to do with the
way a particular person's brain works.
In this recent thread,
Why Liberals
Are
Smarter Than
Conservatives , a study was done
showing how two types of individuals
think. To see what I mean, just read
this, the original post in a different
thread about the same study:
Views Expressed
On This
Board Back Up Recent
Study
It is interesting that right here on this
board one can find evidence backing the
findings of the study done on the
differences in brain functions of liberals
and conservatives.
For example, time after time,
conservatives/pro-lifers on this board are
shown evidence illustrating why their
position is wrong. Time after time they
disregard the evidence in favor of
persisting in their incorrect beliefs.
This is exactly what the study showed!
"Across dozens of behavioral studies,
conservatives
have been found to be more structured and
persistent in their
judgments and approaches to
decision-making, as indicated by higher
average scores on psychological measures
of personal needs for order,
structure and closure1.
Liberals, by contrast, report higher
tolerance of
ambiguity and complexity, and greater
openness to new experiences on
psychological measures."
"This association suggests that a more
conservative orientation is related
to greater persistence in a habitual
response pattern, "
i.e. they will continue to believe their
ingrained, incorrect view...
"despite signals that
this response pattern should change"
i.e. despite being shown evidence which
clearly shows their view is incorrect.
futureshock
wrote:
But I do have a question for you:
Why do you persist in believing
homosexuality is a choice, after all
you've learned and experienced first hand
about it?
nightangel
wrote:
Like the other poster actually said
correctly homosexuality is unexplained
disorder. Your choice lies in how you act
on it. You are the one who make the choice
of having the sex with either gender. You
decide whether you go have heterosuxal sex
or you go have homosexual sex. So it's a
CHOICE.
jincks
wrote:
Your facts are a bit outdated there
Nightangel.. the actual facts on the
disorder argument:
Originally thought by the American
Psychological Association (hereafter
referred to as APA) to be a mental
disorder, research into its causes,
origins, and development have consequently
led to its removal by the APA from its
list of diagnoses and disorders
Karen Hooker executed the first
psychological test done to test for
biological determinism in 1957, on a grant
from the National Institute of Mental
Health [2]. The study was meant to explore
the relationship between homosexuality and
psychological development and illness.
Hooker studied both homosexuals and
heterosexuals. Both groups were matched
for age, intelligence quotient (IQ) and
education level, and were then subjected
to three psychological tests. These three
tests, the Rorschach, Thematic
Apperception Test (TAT) and the
Make-A-Picture-Story Test (MAPS), were
then analyzed by psychologists, and the
results were tabulated. The results of
Hooker's experiment yielded no significant
differences in answers on any of the three
tests. Because both groups' answers scored
very similarly, she concluded a zero
correlation between social determinism of
sexuality.
As a result of Hooker's finding, the APA
removed homosexuality from its Diagnostic
and Statistical Manual of Psychological
Disorders in 1973. In 1975 it then
released a public statement that
homosexuality was not a mental disorder.
In 1994, two decades later, the APA
finally stated, "...homosexuality is
neither a mental illness nor a moral
depravity. It is the way a portion of the
population expresses human love and
sexuality" [2].
No homosexuals don't decide which sex to
sleep with. They frankly don't get turned
on by the opposite sex. To my daughter
sleeping with a man is so unappealing she
thinks it is gross.
Although the APA currently states that
sexual orientation is not a choice, rather
that "...it emerges from most people in
early adolescence with no prior sexual
experience"
Please take a little while to learn the
facts surrounding your agrument before you
post what has long since been thrown out
and disregarded.
You have a bias against homosexuals but
don't let that blind you to the facts of
the situation.
to assist you with gathering relevant
facts of the situation I'll post for you
the link to the exact study.
nightange
wrote:
jincks thanks for sharing what the
phsycologists have said..I just don't
agree with the
psychologists.
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Ok, one thing is very clear about what
your boyfriend is really against.
He is not against abortion, because he
said so. He is against the actions of the
people involved, not the abortion part.
He is against people having sex
irresponsibly (in his opinion). He even
says that if people were responsible and
using 2 forms of bc, he'd be pro-choice!
Quote:
If everyone was a
responsible enough, a good enough, person
to do that, then I would be 100%
pro-choice.
Look at how many times he says this in one
post:
Quote:
1. It's the
PARENT'S choice to have sex without 2
forms of birth control, the child is
completely 100% innocent. If everyone was
a responsible enough, a good enough,
person to do that, then I would be 100%
pro-choice.
2. But the fact that the parents are so
disgustingly selfish as to make the CHOICE
to have sex without 2 forms of birth
control KNOWING the possible consequences
before hand, and not giving a health
question, is infuriating and unacceptable.
3. It was her body when she decided not
to use 2 forms of birth control and it
didn't take first priority then.
4. The parent's made a CONSCIOUS decision
to have sex without 2 forms of birth
control KNOWING the possible outcome, so
they need to grow the whoops up and take
responsibility for their CONSCIOUSLY MADE
actions.
They KNEW one form of birth control isn't
fool proof, or in most cases, they KNEW
*no* birth control isn't safe.
So here is what I would do. I would agree
with him. He's not against abortion at
all, although he doesn't know that. He is
against what he imagines are the selfish
actions of the two people having sex in
the first place.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 10-04-07 19:56pm
If the two of you don't agree on abortion,
just make sure you aren't having sex with
him- or if you are, you have agreed on
which one of you will get the choice
should it happen!!
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Posted: 10-04-07 20:07pm
futureshock
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
Right on brunette. Yes he is not going to
change mind for comming here. I have been
here for long time and if anything I'm
more prolife than I was before. Eiri can
convince young inocent girls like you but
definetly not me, not many in
here..
Actually, it has nothing to do with being,
young or innocent. It has to do with the
way a particular person's brain works.
In this recent thread,
Why Liberals
Are
Smarter Than
Conservatives , a study was done
showing how two types of individuals
think. To see what I mean, just read
this, the original post in a different
thread about the same study:
Views Expressed
On This
Board Back Up Recent
Study
It is interesting that right here on this
board one can find evidence backing the
findings of the study done on the
differences in brain functions of liberals
and conservatives.
For example, time after time,
conservatives/pro-lifers on this board are
shown evidence illustrating why their
position is wrong. Time after time they
disregard the evidence in favor of
persisting in their incorrect beliefs.
This is exactly what the study showed!
"Across dozens of behavioral studies,
conservatives
have been found to be more structured and
persistent in their
judgments and approaches to
decision-making, as indicated by higher
average scores on psychological measures
of personal needs for order,
structure and closure1.
Liberals, by contrast, report higher
tolerance of
ambiguity and complexity, and greater
openness to new experiences on
psychological measures."
"This association suggests that a more
conservative orientation is related
to greater persistence in a habitual
response pattern, "
i.e. they will continue to believe their
ingrained, incorrect view...
"despite signals that
this response pattern should change"
i.e. despite being shown evidence which
clearly shows their view is incorrect.
Look futurshock that thing of
conservatives and liberals does not even
apply to me. I'm born and raised in PR and
down there there is no conservatives and
liberals. There are pro-commonwealth and
pro-statehood people. And as far as moral
and cultural values we both groups share
the same. The country as a whole is
pro-life and the country as a whole is
against homosexual marriage. So that study
wasn't performed with the people from my
region/race. Now do we share the pro-life
instance like the conservatives in the
study? Yes we do. But that doesn't make us
the conservatives the study talks about. I
guess you can say that then that my
country there isn't smart people oh well
who cares what you think? I sure don't
care one iotta.
I would be curious of what you think of my
soon to be father in law..
he is pro-arms and pro-death penalty
he is pro-choice for abortion
he is discriminates against the chinese,
jews, blacks and the illegal aliens.
he is okay with homosexuals
and he is american so is he considered
conservative or liberal?
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Posted: 10-04-07 21:23pm
Cambion
wrote:
Wow...his ignorance is so
profuse that it's nauseating (which means
he'd fit right in with the pro-lifers
here). He sounds he needs a good hard
beating with a clue-by-four.
I've talked to my BF about abortion too
and he's totally pro-choice...which is
good, because I told him if I ever got
pregnant, I'd get an abortion whether he
liked it or
not.
welcome back, Cambion.. we all missed ur
*lovely* opnions. *wink*
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Posted: 10-04-07 22:11pm
nightangel73
wrote:
I would be curious of what you think of my
soon to be father in law..
he is pro-arms and pro-death penalty
he is pro-choice for abortion
he is discriminates against the chinese,
jews, blacks and the illegal aliens.
he is okay with homosexuals
and he is american so is he considered
conservative or
liberal?
Well, you made some very good points about
cultural differences. As far as your
father in law, he's just NUTS!!! Good
luck dealing with him! How do you get
along with him?
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Posted: 10-04-07 23:05pm
futureshock
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
I would be curious of what you think of my
soon to be father in law..
he is pro-arms and pro-death penalty
he is pro-choice for abortion
he is discriminates against the chinese,
jews, blacks and the illegal aliens.
he is okay with homosexuals
and he is american so is he considered
conservative or
liberal?
Well, you made some very good points about
cultural differences. As far as your
father in law, he's just NUTS!!! Good
luck dealing with him! How do you get
along with
him?
Yeah I too think he is nuts and even his
sons/daughter and mother in law agree with
that
Well I got lucky that I wasn't any of his
discrimatory groups so he welcomed me from
the begining. We get along well but
granted he lives far so it's like we don't
have to deal with him often. It's better
that way.
you know he buys nothing absolutetly
nothing made in china.
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embarrassed40
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Posted: 10-05-07 01:10am
HcoBrunette06
wrote:
in the end he ended up saying "it's okay,
we both are entitled to our own opinions,
so we might as well agree to disagree"
which is true, but I don't think I'm
wrong!
I used the "so if someone gets into a car
wreck and gets hurt for not using a seat
belt, is it ok for a doctor to refuse the
patient since he knew what could happen"
and he told me that we might as well stop
talking about it because it was making him
mad LOL sigh.
.
Quit using ridiculous analogies you learn
here to try to further your argument. I
bet he sees right through your bs. At
some point he will resent you for this,
not during your "Honeymoon period" but
down the road. You shall see!
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 10-05-07 06:32am
But her boyfriend is pro-choice! As long
as a couple uses two forms of bc, if they
still need an abortion, that's fine by
him.
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Posted: 10-05-07 09:04am
Lol! I love you, Eiri!
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embarrassed40
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Posted: 10-05-07 09:17am
futureshock
wrote:
Lol! I love you,
Eiri!
It takes a special person, to love a
person who openly promotes hate. It is
unfortunate you do not offer that same
consideration to those tiny humans inside
of womens bodies. Very sad!
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Posted: 10-05-07 09:50am
I didn't get to see what you wrote on this
page that got pulled Embarrassed but to be
fair, you are treading a fine line between
stating your opinion and blatantly winding
people up with misogynistic comments.
Eiri, you really need to not let your
emotions get the better of you. I know
it's hard but you're better than that.
You have the ability to report posts just
like everyone else does so do that rather
than react.
Admin will see this thread because I am
now going to have to lock it.
Either a lesbian
couple or a gay couple.
Well I got lucky that I wasn't any of his
discrimatory groups so he welcomed me from
the begining. We get along well but
granted he lives far so it's like we don't
have to deal with him often. It's better
that way.
