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Posted: 10-10-07 22:16pm
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| diamond splinter
wrote: | | And fair play to them but as
i say fostering/adoption is a humanity
thing not a pl thing yet it is only pl
that are ever pulled up on it why is that?
just because we don,t beleive in premature
death we get accused of not caring about
the born when are pc going to realise that
pl are about much more than
abortion? |
Hi Diamond splinter!!!
I believe both "sides" of this debate have
alot in common and could work together to
better women and children's lives.
Unfortunately, prolife advocates want to
go about it in an unrealistic way. 
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Posted: 10-11-07 10:31am
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| Quote: | | do you believe
pro-lifers when they say they value the
fertilized egg and the embryo as much as
they value born children?
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No - I think they value the
embryos/fetuses far more. Why that is, I
have no idea. All those women they talk
out of abortions, do you ever see those
same pro-lifers finding the mother and
offering her baby goods, babysitting,
money, or any other kind of aid? I guess
they get a rush from talking a woman into
making a life-altering decision she
doesn't want and knowing they themselves
will not have to deal with the aftermath.
The sickening part is they don't feel an
ounce of guilt over possibly ruining
someone's life. Pro-life indeed *gag*
| Quote: | | I think they
value the late term fetus as much as a
newborn, but they can't admit that a late
term fetus is a far cry from an egg that
was just fertilized.
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Either they can't admit it, or they're
stupid enough to think that a full-term,
fully functional infant is created at the
moment of conception. This is why I pray
that there are no pro-life biologists.
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Posted: 10-11-07 22:42pm
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Think about what Pro-LIFE means, it means
you are FOR LIFE. How can you discourage
someone who believes ending a child's life
is wrong? I don't understand. And why do
these debates get so nasty? There is no
reason for it, really. It's ridiculous.
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Posted: 10-11-07 22:58pm
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Ending a childs life is wrong. Ending a
pregnancy isn't. What about this confuses
you?
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Posted: 10-12-07 00:28am
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| Jincks013
wrote: | | Ending a childs life is
wrong. Ending a pregnancy
isn't. |
Look at what you just said. How is ending
a child's life any different from ending a
pregnancy? Please inform me.
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Posted: 10-12-07 07:11am
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| Jincks013
wrote: | | ha ha ha.. Birth..
hello. |
now that's a nice answer 
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Posted: 10-12-07 07:15am
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| kaiteo
wrote: | | Jincks013
wrote: | | Ending a childs life is
wrong. Ending a pregnancy
isn't. |
Look at what you just said. How is ending
a child's life any different from ending a
pregnancy? Please inform
me. |
There really isn't a difference.. You do
or you don't. You let live or you don't.
It growns into a living human being or it
doesn't. All by a woman choice to abort or
not.
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Posted: 10-12-07 07:15am
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Can you be pregnant after the birth? Is an
unborn fetus legally a person? no to both.
Once birthed then and only then do you
have a live human being which has all the
rights of every other live human being on
the planet; before that it is not an
independant entity capable of self
sustained support.
BUt perhaps a compromise is due there; You
can have all the non sentient embryo's
stay inside the women; we'll just take the
placenta; that has no 'personhood'
attached and most definately while it is
human tissue it isnt a human by the
remotest stretch of imagination.
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Posted: 10-12-07 07:17am
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| Jincks013
wrote: | Can you be pregnant after
the birth? Is an unborn fetus legally a
person? no to both. Once birthed then and
only then do you have a live human being
which has all the rights of every other
live human being on the planet; before
that it is not an independant entity
capable of self sustained support.
BUt perhaps a compromise is due there; You
can have all the non sentient embryo's
stay inside the women; we'll just take the
placenta; that has no 'personhood'
attached and most definately while it is
human tissue it isnt a human by the
remotest stretch of
imagination. |
It is still developing into a human being!
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Posted: 10-12-07 07:36am
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Developing being the key word. It is not a
human being it is human tissue; like the
placenta. But like I said.. we'll just
leave the little embryo in its container
and simply remove the placenta..even PL
cannot effectively argue the placenta is a
human being..
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Posted: 10-12-07 08:02am
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| Jincks013
wrote: | | Developing being the key
word. It is not a human being it is human
tissue; like the placenta. But like I
said.. we'll just leave the little embryo
in its container and simply remove the
placenta..even PL cannot effectively argue
the placenta is a human
being.. |
But left alone would develop into a living
human being!!
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Posted: 10-12-07 08:09am
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| kaiteo
wrote: | | Jincks013
wrote: | | Ending a childs life is
wrong. Ending a pregnancy
isn't. |
Look at what you just said. How is ending
a child's life any different from ending a
pregnancy? Please inform
me. |
Because there are many things different
between an embryo, and a born child.
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Posted: 10-12-07 08:13am
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| Eiri
wrote: | | kaiteo
wrote: | | Jincks013
wrote: | | Ending a childs life is
wrong. Ending a pregnancy
isn't. |
Look at what you just said. How is ending
a child's life any different from ending a
pregnancy? Please inform
me. |
Because there are many things different
between an embryo, and a born
child. |
From your perspective many differences,
like one is not a leech? 
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Posted: 10-12-07 08:21am
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| Marianne0558
wrote: | | embarrassed40
wrote: | | Jincks013
wrote: | | Developing being the key
word. It is not a human being it is human
tissue; like the placenta. But like I
said.. we'll just leave the little embryo
in its container and simply remove the
placenta..even PL cannot effectively argue
the placenta is a human
being.. |
And now juncks whats to argue that the
growing child is the same as the
plecenta... that goes well with some of
the other arguments I've seen here over
the last two weeks... I have heard embryos
compared to peanut butter & leeches.
And of course even the "Big Bang" is at
fault!
The justifications just get better and
better. The fact remains, there in NO
justification for a frivolous abortion!
 I
am really beginning to doubt if some of
you are marital material, and that is sad!
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I don't think any of us care if we are
marriage material to you or not...
You don't have to marry
us.... |
Obviously you don't if you refuse to
discontinue your misinformed &
unjustifiable opinions. Marital material
would only include women who are willing
to not partake in a frivolous abortion at
all costs, and also not defend those that
do!
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Posted: 10-12-07 15:26pm
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You never quit do you, Embarassed?
It's quite annoying.
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Birch
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Posted: 10-12-07 15:47pm
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| kaiteo
wrote: | | Think about what Pro-LIFE
means, it means you are FOR LIFE. How can
you discourage someone who believes ending
a child's life is wrong? I don't
understand. And why do these debates get
so nasty? There is no reason for it,
really. It's
ridiculous. |
Prolife means "for life as I see how
it should be, not you".
Life is not just the biological breathing
function, but so much more than that.
Why do debates get so "nasty"?
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wrote: | | I Believe Women Who End a
Life to Save Their Own...are selfish and
disgusting |
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Posted: 10-12-07 21:18pm
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| kaiteo
wrote: | You never quit do you,
Embarassed?
It's quite
annoying. |
Actually like most gossipers and trolls if
you just ignore it; it goes to find funner
playgrounds. This can be a time consuming
process but I applaud its deliberate
insult to me.. /report time.. again..
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Posted: 10-12-07 23:44pm
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Well touché, Birch! I do admit that was
rather harsh on my side. I was grumpy 
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Birch
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Posted: 10-13-07 10:13am
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| kaiteo
wrote: | | Well touché, Birch! I do
admit that was rather harsh on my side. I
was grumpy |
Are you retracting your statement then?
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