Offical Catholic Doctrine On Homosexuality

LMAO that you pulled that up out of all things and I have to correct my last post. I meant to say that I can't believe that mastubation would fall into the same catergory as raping a young boy in the eyes of the church.

Eric

Oh no, I totally got that. I've just never heard 'snappin' the radish' before, and it nearly made me spit my drink all over my monitor. Good one, sir!

Well there is a lot of criticism of the failure of priests, and a lot of what has been said I agree with, but you must remeber that a Catholic priest is not the Catholic faith, Priests are not saints by virtue of their position. There are many more Good priests than bad priests, but that does not in no way condone how the bishops tried to cover it up. But again the Bishops are not the Catholic faith. Thankfully the pope it seems had little knowlege of what was occuring but there have been many things done by the pope's in the past that were scandelous, the pope is not the catholic faith.

A pope is not automatically a saint due to his position, many popes have failed to live up to the Christian standard. When compared to Christ, when we compair ourselves to the Churches teachings, the vast majority of us do know that We are being hypocritical, but the faith itself is not hypocritical, we are called to live by our faith we often do not, that is our failure not the faith.

I hear people saying that they hope for a change in the faith, that the doctrine on homosexuality will change at some point. I have to dash your hopes somewhat, you know when scripture and tradition are refered to, these things are unchangable, they are what constitutes the Catholic faith, if the pope declared tomorrow, Ex Cathedra that homosexuality were "permisable" and did not constitute a grave moral sin against chastity, then the pope would have proclaimed a heresay, the Catholic Church would no longer be proclaiming the Catholic Faith.... it would mean that the gates of hell did prevail against the papacy, it would mean Christs words were bunk and the whole faith would collapse and with it, any belief that Christ were the son of God.

Yes.

Either the interpretation of the Bible is changeable and people can choose what to believe, or it is not.

There is no middle ground. It is a religion. It needs to be infalliable in order to even work. Right now, you have the church trying to claim that the bible is unchangeable and that doctrine cannot be reinterpreted... yet they have done it dozens of times in the past. Slavery is just one example.

So, which is it? Can doctrine be reinterpreted, or can it not be?

"IS THAT SCRIPTURE ABOUT IT BEING OK FOR SlAVERY ALSO UNCHANGEABLE IN YOUR EYES?!"

show me the scripture, post it here for all to see.

"the church trying to claim that the bible is unchangeable and that doctrine cannot be reinterpreted... yet they have done it dozens of times in the past. Slavery is just one example. "

The CC was always against slavery, it was the anglican church that accepted it. please tell me where the church has changed its possition on doctrine, dogma... ie sacred Tradition.

I'm sorry. Do you use a different bible? I wasn't aware that your bible is different from mine. So here are some exerpts from my bible.

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Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as you obey Christ; not only while being watched, and in order to please them, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. (Eph. 6:5-6)


Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be blasphemed. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful to them on the ground that they are members of the church; rather they must serve them all the more, since those who benefit by their service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these duties. Whoever teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that is in accordance with godliness, is conceited, understanding nothing, and has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words. From these come envy, dissension, slander, base suspicions, and wrangling among those who are depraved in mind and bereft of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain. (1Tim. 6:1-5)

A disciple is not above the teacher, nor a slave above the master (Matt. 10:24)


Tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to talk back, not to pilfer, but to show complete and perfect fidelity, so that in everything they may be an ornament to the doctrine of God our Savior. (Titus 2:9-10)

Slaves, accept the authority of your masters with all deference, not only those who are kind and gentle but also those who are harsh. For it is a credit to you if, being aware of God, you endure pain while suffering unjustly. If you endure when you are beaten for doing wrong, what credit is that? But if you endure when you do right and suffer for it, you have God's approval. (1Pet. 2:18-29)


When a slave owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner's property. (Exod. 21:20-21)<

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Now if I remember right. God took the slaves out of Egypt because they were mistreated slaves and not for the fact that they were just slaves.

And if the Church doesn't condone racism. I will ask once again. Why is it that the present pope was once affiliated with the Nazi Youth Movement? That is really a stupid decision on behalf of the Church to show that racism is wrong.



Eric

Yep, The pope was affiliated with the nazi youth movement and ironically his father was part of a coalition against nazism.


Eric

Yes, we have a Nazi-Pope. It makes me giggle on a superficial level just because it sounds so ridiculous.

Yeaaaah, there's a lot in the bible that is ignored.

Secondly, Catholics use the King James' version of the bible, which is a translation that has so perverted the actual scripture that a scholarly version of the bible is totally different in sections! We're not even talking about the apocraphies. Genesis itself is very different when translated properly.

Wasn't the pope just a member of the Hitler Youth as all young 'clean' Germans were forced to be at that time?

Not all Catholics use the King James version- I know Catholics who use the New American or others as well. As long as it contains the apocryphal books.

But whatever, I'll hold out hope as long as I live for the darned Catholic Church, and when they finally come around I'll rejoice and have my kittens baptized.

lol!