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Posted: 10-23-07 15:16pm

Belief systems steal from each other. The Romans stole many of their gods from the Greeks, for example.

I was going to explain, based on my knowledge the growth of medical procedures, my own theories about how religions came about, but then I realised exactly how much I was writing. So... look it up from someone who doesn't suck, and Medicine Through Time is the coolest GCSE course ever. Laughing
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Posted: 10-23-07 15:25pm

I have no idea what GCSE is.... could you enlighten me?

I've found myself rambling on for a long time before only to realize no one would want to read it and deleting it all. Smile

I was thinking of a more metaphysical explanation, although I do appreciate yours, rodge.
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Posted: 10-25-07 12:00pm

Humans tend to invent things in a similar fashion at similar times. For example, the cause of AIDS was discovered in America and France almost on the same day, with no collaboration. So religions began popping up around the world to answer the needs of the people at that time, and it stands to reason that people had similar needs, regardless of where they lived.

See where I am going with this? It could have been better written, sorry about that.





I guess it was on the same day, not almost, lol!
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March 27, 1986
U.S. AND FRENCH TEAMS REPORT AIDS VIRUS FINDS
By PHILIP M. BOFFEY, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES

Competing scientists from the United States and France contended independently today that each group had discovered new viruses related to the deadly disease AIDS.

http://query.nytimes .com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0DE4DD1430F93 4A15750C0A960948260&sec=health&spo n=&pagewanted=print
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Posted: 10-25-07 12:17pm

I don't actually see where you're going with it...

Humans discover things at the same time because of the nature of information sharing, societal trends of reserach, and working off of each other's reserach.

Like when Copernicus decided the sun was the center of the universe. It was kind've a trendy thing to be figuring out at the time, and he wasn't the only one to come up with it. Just the first to do so conclusively and publish on it.
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Posted: 10-25-07 12:18pm

Ok now that I reread that and thought again about my response I get where you were going. Smile
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Posted: 10-25-07 14:57pm

Orginally a religious sense explained the natural world to early humans; eventually it became a mode to control basic group behaviors; the rise of the village/farm brought about a whole new set of non producers called priests; now religion was supported by the people by supporting the priests.
the rest is easily read history thought to be fair in the late primeval/early medieval world where your warlord could change in a day having one set of rules to abide by; no matter who was hanging out at the castle; provided a single set of rules to follow all the time.
It is outdated now.
It's time for change and for some people change comes hard.
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Posted: 10-28-07 09:46am

Guest.

Are you going to answer our questions now? I see you're back on here.
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Posted: 11-07-07 19:47pm

Sorry, will come back to you now marvel

Just because some of the writings of the saints are considered to develope preexisting doctrines enabeling them to be defined by the church it does not mean their entire works are to be considered doctrine of the church. It is the role of the magestirum to declare what is and is not doctrine, this is based on scripture and tradition, the writings of the saints deepen our understanding of a preexisting belief enabling it to be defined as doctrine.

As for whoever it was who was comparing the pagan religion of mithras to catholicism i will say this, yes there are similarites but it is often regarded that The Church adopted these things from paganism, as for the feast days we did use times close to pagan festivals but in thiscase of mithras, if you do any sort of research into the early church fathers you will see that the Christians accuse the pagan mithras religion of mimicking Christianity, I think St Justyn Myter proclaims the cup of blood/wine in the mirtha religionas "the cup of devils" Christianity was the fastest growing religion in rome it is not inconcievable that many pagans copied many of the Christian beliefs and ritual.
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Posted: 11-07-07 19:50pm

How did British pagans (for example) find out about Christian traditions? Before the missionaries got there, I mean. Razz
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Posted: 11-08-07 09:14am

Rome came to britain before Christianity.
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Posted: 11-08-07 09:30am

Gu£st wrote:
Rome came to britain before Christianity.
This is true! However, they brought the Roman gods first. This means that the pagan traditions were, if anything, associated with the Roman gods.

Look, the Christians wanted to convert the pagans. They had the best of intentions in doing this, because if they weren't converted they'd go to hell. So they said to the pagans ...Well, let's have a (rather silly) script.

Christians: Hey! Come and worship our God! He's really cool and you won't go to hell.
Pagans: No, we like the gods we have, and besides, if we don't perform these rituals bad things will happen. Also, the rituals are fun!
C: It's funny you should say that, because we have rituals that are very similar, but they focus on one God instead of a ton of them! It's a lot easier, and as long as you follow this Bible I'm going to read out to you (because none of you can read and it's in Latin anyway) everything will be just fine.
P: ...Well, okay then. You know none of us can understand Latin, right?
C: That's alright, I'll just tell you what it says. You see this bit? It says you have to go to church every Sunday.
P: What's a Sunday?
C: Don't worry, you'll know.

Then the Romans were converted, and they started MAKING everyone be a Christian. Then the Roman Empire fell, and the rest of Europe cast off everything to do with them, except the Church, which quickly realised how much power it now held and went mad. Thus began the Dark Ages. The End.
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Posted: 11-08-07 10:52am

Heheh. The end of that made me giggle XD
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Posted: 11-08-07 11:04am

It is pretty much true. XD

Progress on everything was halted for centuries, and most of this delay was because of the Church. The printing press was heavily criticised at first, because the Church didn't think Bibles should be that easy to access.

Medicine practically flew back to prehistoric levels until the Renaissance, when people decided to forget the Pope and dissect people anyway. And lo and behold, a lot of assumptions about anatomy turned out to be wrong, because the definitive research before then was done by a man named Galen back in the days of the Roman Empire, and he'd learned everything he knew from dissecting pigs. Which are nothing like humans.
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Posted: 11-08-07 11:07am

I'm actually learning a lot about renaissance anatomy right now because my term paper's subject is on the development of realism in renaissance painting Smile
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Posted: 11-08-07 11:15am

Isn't it awesome? Very
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I have this huge fascination with the development of medicine, because I took Medicine Through Time as part of my History GCSE (a high-school qualification). Although the Renaissance is really hard to revise for because so much progress happened with so many people, I love it because there's so much development and discovery packed into that relatively short time. *such a geek*
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Posted: 11-08-07 13:04pm

Gu£st wrote:


Just because some of the writings of the saints are considered to develope preexisting doctrines enabeling them to be defined by the church it does not mean their entire works are to be considered doctrine of the church. It is the role of the magestirum to declare what is and is not doctrine, this is based on scripture and tradition, the writings of the saints deepen our understanding of a preexisting belief enabling it to be defined as doctrine.




I know what the Magesterium is and all that. But what I'm trying to get at is how can you just pick and choose? Picking important works from St. Augustine, who penned the 'negative witness theory' in The City of God, seems to me to be pretty sketchy. "Oh, this Augustine guy had some great points. Let's use some of them, and completely revere him for them, and we'll just brush the other, minor anti-semitic stuff under the carpet."

I don't like that.
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Posted: 11-08-07 16:27pm

You have to understand that not everything a man says is from the Holy Spirit, There are other writings of the apostles not included in the Gospel becuase not all of the documents are inspired by the holy spirit. The Church is able to declare what is and is not doctrine because it has been Given the gift of the holy spirit to do so, "I will send you the spirit of truth, who will guide you into all truth, reminding you of everything I have said" So if you had the spirit, you could look at something and say, well that is spirit inspired, this is good theology but its not spirit inspired.
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Posted: 11-08-07 16:46pm

Actually guest there are 'writings' from unknown authors in this bible of yours. If the author is unknown how can you say it was written by god? The author is unknown.
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Posted: 11-08-07 17:01pm

"Actually guest there are 'writings' from unknown authors in this bible of yours. If the author is unknown how can you say it was written by god? The author is unknown. "

because the magistirum of the Church has declared the works contained in the bible are inspired by God
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Posted: 11-08-07 17:14pm

How do they decide what's holy and what's not? Is it just the stuff they agree with?

Like I said, I'm not even remotely acquainted with the workings of the Catholic Church, so I'd honestly like to know. Smile
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