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Posted: 10-23-07 15:16pm
Belief systems steal from each other. The
Romans stole many of their gods from the
Greeks, for example.
I was going to explain, based on my
knowledge the growth of medical
procedures, my own theories about how
religions came about, but then I realised
exactly how much I was writing. So... look
it up from someone who doesn't suck, and
Medicine Through Time is the coolest GCSE
course ever.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 10-23-07 15:25pm
I have no idea what GCSE is.... could you
enlighten me?
I've found myself rambling on for a long
time before only to realize no one would
want to read it and deleting it all.
I was thinking of a more metaphysical
explanation, although I do appreciate
yours, rodge.
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Posted: 10-25-07 12:00pm
Humans tend to invent things in a similar
fashion at similar times. For example,
the cause of AIDS was discovered in
America and France almost on the same day,
with no collaboration. So religions began
popping up around the world to answer the
needs of the people at that time, and it
stands to reason that people had similar
needs, regardless of where they lived.
See where I am going with this? It could
have been better written, sorry about
that.
Quote:
tr>
March 27, 1986
U.S. AND FRENCH TEAMS REPORT AIDS VIRUS
FINDS
By PHILIP M. BOFFEY, SPECIAL TO THE NEW
YORK TIMES
Competing scientists from the United
States and France contended independently
today that each group had discovered new
viruses related to the deadly disease
AIDS.
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Posted: 10-25-07 12:17pm
I don't actually see where you're going
with it...
Humans discover things at the same time
because of the nature of information
sharing, societal trends of reserach, and
working off of each other's reserach.
Like when Copernicus decided the sun was
the center of the universe. It was kind've
a trendy thing to be figuring out at the
time, and he wasn't the only one to come
up with it. Just the first to do so
conclusively and publish on it.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 10-25-07 12:18pm
Ok now that I reread that and thought
again about my response I get where you
were going.
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Posted: 10-25-07 14:57pm
Orginally a religious sense explained the
natural world to early humans; eventually
it became a mode to control basic group
behaviors; the rise of the village/farm
brought about a whole new set of non
producers called priests; now religion was
supported by the people by supporting the
priests.
the rest is easily read history thought to
be fair in the late primeval/early
medieval world where your warlord could
change in a day having one set of rules to
abide by; no matter who was hanging out at
the castle; provided a single set of rules
to follow all the time.
It is outdated now.
It's time for change and for some people
change comes hard.
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Posted: 10-28-07 09:46am
Guest.
Are you going to answer our questions now?
I see you're back on here.
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Posted: 11-07-07 19:47pm
Sorry, will come back to you now marvel
Just because some of the writings of the
saints are considered to develope
preexisting doctrines enabeling them to be
defined by the church it does not mean
their entire works are to be considered
doctrine of the church. It is the role of
the magestirum to declare what is and is
not doctrine, this is based on scripture
and tradition, the writings of the saints
deepen our understanding of a preexisting
belief enabling it to be defined as
doctrine.
As for whoever it was who was comparing
the pagan religion of mithras to
catholicism i will say this, yes there are
similarites but it is often regarded that
The Church adopted these things from
paganism, as for the feast days we did use
times close to pagan festivals but in
thiscase of mithras, if you do any sort of
research into the early church fathers you
will see that the Christians accuse the
pagan mithras religion of mimicking
Christianity, I think St Justyn Myter
proclaims the cup of blood/wine in the
mirtha religionas "the cup of devils"
Christianity was the fastest growing
religion in rome it is not inconcievable
that many pagans copied many of the
Christian beliefs and ritual.
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Rodge
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Posted: 11-07-07 19:50pm
How did British pagans (for example) find
out about Christian traditions? Before the
missionaries got there, I mean.
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Gu£st
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Posted: 11-08-07 09:14am
Rome came to britain before Christianity.
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Rodge
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Posted: 11-08-07 09:30am
Gu£st
wrote:
Rome came to britain before
Christianity.
This is true! However,
they brought the Roman gods first. This
means that the pagan traditions were, if
anything, associated with the Roman gods.
Look, the Christians wanted to convert the
pagans. They had the best of intentions in
doing this, because if they weren't
converted they'd go to hell. So they said
to the pagans ...Well, let's have a
(rather silly) script.
Christians: Hey! Come and worship our God!
He's really cool and you won't go to hell.
Pagans: No, we like the gods we have, and
besides, if we don't perform these rituals
bad things will happen. Also, the rituals
are fun!
C: It's funny you should say that, because
we have rituals that are very similar, but
they focus on one God instead of a ton of
them! It's a lot easier, and as long as
you follow this Bible I'm going to read
out to you (because none of you can read
and it's in Latin anyway) everything will
be just fine.
P: ...Well, okay then. You know none of us
can understand Latin, right?
C: That's alright, I'll just tell you what
it says. You see this bit? It says you
have to go to church every Sunday.
P: What's a Sunday?
C: Don't worry, you'll know.
Then the Romans were converted, and they
started MAKING everyone be a Christian.
Then the Roman Empire fell, and the rest
of Europe cast off everything to do with
them, except the Church, which quickly
realised how much power it now held and
went mad. Thus began the Dark Ages. The
End.
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Posted: 11-08-07 10:52am
Heheh. The end of that made me giggle XD
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Rodge
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Posted: 11-08-07 11:04am
It is pretty much true. XD
Progress on everything was halted for
centuries, and most of this delay was
because of the Church. The printing press
was heavily criticised at first, because
the Church didn't think Bibles should be
that easy to access.
Medicine practically flew back to
prehistoric levels until the Renaissance,
when people decided to forget the Pope and
dissect people anyway. And lo and behold,
a lot of assumptions about anatomy turned
out to be wrong, because the definitive
research before then was done by a man
named Galen back in the days of the Roman
Empire, and he'd learned everything he
knew from dissecting pigs. Which are
nothing like humans.
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Posted: 11-08-07 11:07am
I'm actually learning a lot about
renaissance anatomy right now because my
term paper's subject is on the development
of realism in renaissance painting
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Rodge
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Posted: 11-08-07 11:15am
Isn't it awesome?
I have this huge fascination with the
development of medicine, because I took
Medicine Through Time as part of my
History GCSE (a high-school
qualification). Although the Renaissance
is really hard to revise for because so
much progress happened with so many
people, I love it because there's so much
development and discovery packed into that
relatively short time. *such a geek*
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Posted: 11-08-07 13:04pm
Gu£st
wrote:
Just because some of the writings of the
saints are considered to develope
preexisting doctrines enabeling them to be
defined by the church it does not mean
their entire works are to be considered
doctrine of the church. It is the role of
the magestirum to declare what is and is
not doctrine, this is based on scripture
and tradition, the writings of the saints
deepen our understanding of a preexisting
belief enabling it to be defined as
doctrine.
I know what the Magesterium is and all
that. But what I'm trying to get at is how
can you just pick and choose? Picking
important works from St. Augustine, who
penned the 'negative witness theory' in
The City of God, seems to me to be pretty
sketchy. "Oh, this Augustine guy had some
great points. Let's use some of them, and
completely revere him for them, and we'll
just brush the other, minor anti-semitic
stuff under the carpet."
I don't like that.
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Gu£st
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Posted: 11-08-07 16:27pm
You have to understand that not everything
a man says is from the Holy Spirit, There
are other writings of the apostles not
included in the Gospel becuase not all of
the documents are inspired by the holy
spirit. The Church is able to declare what
is and is not doctrine because it has been
Given the gift of the holy spirit to do
so, "I will send you the spirit of truth,
who will guide you into all truth,
reminding you of everything I have said"
So if you had the spirit, you could look
at something and say, well that is spirit
inspired, this is good theology but its
not spirit inspired.
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Posted: 11-08-07 16:46pm
Actually guest there are 'writings' from
unknown authors in this bible of yours. If
the author is unknown how can you say it
was written by god? The author is unknown.
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Gu£st
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"Actually guest there are 'writings' from
unknown authors in this bible of yours. If
the author is unknown how can you say it
was written by god? The author is unknown.
"
because the magistirum of the Church has
declared the works contained in the bible
are inspired by God
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Rodge
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Posted: 11-08-07 17:14pm
How do they decide what's holy and what's
not? Is it just the stuff they agree with?
Like I said, I'm not even remotely
acquainted with the workings of the
Catholic Church, so I'd honestly like to
know.