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Posted: 10-02-07 07:18am
*Phoey*
I'm sorry, but the Catholic religion lost
a lot of points with me when they were
victimizing children for as long as the
faith has been around. If they accept
that than they must accept homosexuality.
At least homosexuality is between
consenting adults.
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UCanQuit
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Posted: 10-02-07 08:11am
You know, I might as well just say it. I
find the Catholic church to be one of the
most hypocritical institutions of
organized religion.
Catholic priests are synonymous with
abusing young boys. I don't care what %
you mention. A small percentage doesn't
make it any better. Also don't compare
them to gay people as you have done. They
are pedophiles!! THey could have jus tas
easily met a gay adult and engaged in sex
if they wanted to, yet they didn't.
And how has the church dealt with this
problem? By trying to sweep it under the
rug. Quickly paying off the victims and
relocating the priests. The priests should
be relocated out of the church and into
prison!!
The church also condoned the castration
of young choir boys in the 1600's so that
their voice would not change and remain
high. That practice went on for over 250
years!!
During the Inquisition. The church
started a mass burning of the stakes
against Jews in France in around 1288. The
Inquisition itself was horrible!!
Then there's the Church's role in the
Yugoslavian Holocaust in World War II.
Archbishop Stepanac and Vatican
representative Abbot Marcone were both
involved with this.
Even the pope of the time was
controversial to what was happening during
World War II. There are also many pictures
of Catholic Cardinals giving the Nazi
salute.
The present day Pope. Pope Benedict was
once part of the Nazi Youth Movement.
The list can keep going, but I think you
get the idea.
I love Jesus. I just don't care for his
fan club.
Eric
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Marianne0558
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Posted: 10-02-07 08:42am
You know I find this thread to be
absolutely hilarious. OK so the Catholics
see that homosexuality is so wrong, blah
blah blah.
Isn't it the CATHOLIC PRIESTS that have
been touching little boys? What about
those sick pervs? Isn't that being
hypocritical??
How come it is ONLY the Catholic priests
that molest the boys?
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Posted: 10-02-07 09:46am
I'm pretty sure there are clergy of other
religions molesting children, it just
doesn't get press time.
1. There are a lot of priests and altar
boys, thus increasing the risk.
2. One case got huge press time, so other
investigations followed, revealing more
cases.
3. The church was extremely embarrassed by
this and did the only thing they could to
save face.
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Marianne0558
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Posted: 10-02-07 09:53am
Eiri
wrote:
3. The church was extremely embarrassed by
this and did the only thing they could to
save face.
Which was...... ?
I don't understand how you can save face
after the media calls attention that many,
many Catholic priests have been molesting
boys for yeeeaaaars.
What could possibly save that face?
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Re: Offical Catholic Doctrine On Homosexuality Posted: 10-02-07 09:59am
Gu£st
wrote:
Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which
presents homosexual acts as acts of grave
depravity, tradition has always declared
that "homosexual acts are intrinsically
disordered."
I was very Catholic for years (probably
'til I was 17 or 1, and always had
this shoved down my throat.
Then I realised the actual TRUTH: I'm Gay
and God (higher power... whatever you
refer to him/her/it as) is so happy that I
am. You don't even know.
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Marianne0558
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Posted: 10-02-07 10:04am
Good for you. I don't think it's necessary
for ANYONE (be it church, priest, person,
president, whatever!) should discriminate
against people based on their sexual
nature. Sex is supposed to be a private
matter so it shouldn't be anyone's
business anyway!
If I want to be with another woman, far be
it for ANYONE to tell me otherwise. I
control my self. No one controls me or
tells me who I can and cannot fall in love
with.
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marvel
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Posted: 10-02-07 10:10am
what's funnier, is that the Catholic
church seems to pull "Tradition dictates
this, therefore it's right" out of it's
vatican sphincter all the time.
It makes no rational sense to me.
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Posted: 10-02-07 10:16am
Well correct me if I'm wrong but didn't
the bible dictate that slavery was ok?
That polygamy was ok?
In today's society, homosexuality is a lot
less of a "sin" or whatever those nuts
say. It's more accepted. If slavery could
be abolished even though it's "ok in the
bible," why can't homosexuality be more
accepted? I just don't understand WHY it's
so horrible. What makes finding love
(regardless of whether or not it's between
a man and a woman) so wrong?
That's why I don't go to church. I believe
what I want and don't try to push my
beliefs on others. Homosexuality doesn't
hurt anyone so why is it so wrong to
people? It's not like homicide.
I don't understand how Catholics can
dictate that homosexuality is so wrong but
then they go to their office with the
alter boy.....
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Anne123
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Posted: 10-02-07 10:18am
Eiri
wrote:
I'm pretty sure there are
clergy of other religions molesting
children, it just doesn't get press time.
1. There are a lot of priests and altar
boys, thus increasing the risk.
2. One case got huge press time, so other
investigations followed, revealing more
cases.
3. The church was extremely embarrassed by
this and did the only thing they could to
save face.
Eiri, you do raise some good points but I
think that the incidence of sexual abuse
of children is much more common in the
Catholic church than any other religious
denomination for 1 BIG reason.
Catholic priests (and other religious
leaders in the church) take a vow of
celibacy.
Celibacy is an unnatural state of being
for a human being.
I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that
masturbation is frowned upon so the
priests can't even have that release.
That's a lot of repressed sexual energy.
Religious leaders in other religions and
all protestant denominations are free to
marry, have kids, and have all the sex
they could ever desire with their spouse.
Just a thought. No official numbers, just
intuition.
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Posted: 10-02-07 11:07am
True, and that's a good point. I wasn't
totally sure if they were supposed to be
celibate or not.
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Anne123
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Posted: 10-02-07 11:17am
Yeah, they can't get married either.
They're married to the church.
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UCanQuit
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Posted: 10-02-07 11:54am
[quote="Marianne0558"]
Eiri
wrote:
3. The church was extremely embarrassed by
this and did the only thing they could to
save face.
Isn't this not an acceptable acceptable
solution to not only common law, but also
if the church is to follow the laws of the
bible?
Isn't saving face the same as keeping
ones pride? Isn't pride one of the seven
deadly sins?
The bottom line is those priests should
be getting prison time, but more and more
it's just gets settled out of court and
the priests are relocated.
And although the Church is against
marriage or masturbation. That really is a
flimsy reason as to why they would molest
boys. Wouldn't snappin the radish be a lot
less of an evil than raping a young boy? I
can't imagine that mastubation would fall
under the same catergory as mastubation as
far as being evil in the eyes of the
church.
Eric
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Posted: 10-02-07 11:58am
This is why the Catholic church is so
confusing to me. They are hypocritical
brainwashers.
It seems like the parents of these boys
don't care about their child's well-being,
they care about the money they receive
from settling.
Which is what the Catholic church is about
anyway. They like money.
Aren't they the ones who were selling
indulgences to get into Heaven?
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keys101
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Posted: 10-02-07 12:03pm
"HOMOSEXUALS MUST BE ACCEPTED with
RESPECT, compassion, and sensitivity.
Every sign of unjust DISCRIMINATION in
their regard SHOULD BE AVOIDED."
well that's nice to hear, at least. Still,
I just think it's weird to try and stop
people from doing what they want with the
people they love. Jesus rocks but WOW have
people lost sight of what he was all
about. I'm not really 100% on this, but
did Jesus himself ever even say anything
about hell? I think that was all those
other guys who certainly aren't any kind
of Godly.
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Posted: 10-02-07 12:08pm
Here I am going to chime up for the
catholics again. Tell me if it gets old.
Not all catholics believe this way!! Yes,
"The Church" as an institution does, and
that is a problem. But many Catholics are
seeing this and hoping that the Church
will come around to accepting
homosexuality (not to mention birth
control) because the Church DOES change
with the times, albeit slowly, and if more
Catholics stood up and made their voices
heard, perhaps the Church would come
around a little more quickly?
A common thought in my Catholic in-law
family is, "There's no American
representation in the Church" meaning,
American voices aren't getting heard,
progressive voices aren't getting heard.
The Church has created it's own culture,
and is stuck in it- but many (worldwide)
Catholics are seeing that and trying to
encourage the Church to open their eyes to
the wider world around them. I mean,
they've made some progress, and although I
don't expect any progress from the current
pope, he's old, right? Things will change,
eventually. I have faith in that. And the
section of the Church that has become
liberal and started stepping away from the
traditional beliefs about these things is
becoming stronger and more vocal every
day.
I totally don't understand how someone can
say "being homosexual is ok" but also
"acting homosexual is a sin." It's just
totally discordant with the idea of
accepting a person and being loving and
non-judgmental.
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Posted: 10-02-07 15:20pm
Georgia59
wrote:
I don't expect any progress
from the current pope, he's old, right?
The average age of an elected pope is
mid-60's.
When a pope dies, the College of Cardinals
(specially chosen bishops from all over
the
world) gather in solemn conclave to elect
a successor. They vote by secret ballot
until
two-thirds of the cardinals agree on the
new pope. For the past several hundred
years, the
College of Cardinals has chosen one of
their own number as pope.
The oldest pope was almost 80 upon
election, the youngest was between ages 11
and 20.
Because the popes are usually pretty old
when elected, they are set in their ways.
Old people don't like change. I don't see
the Catholic church accepting
homosexuality anytime soon. Or in my
lifetime for that matter.
Of ALL the popes that ever were, only 14
were sexually active. This explains (to a
degree) why Catholic priests are celibate
and end up molesting little boys. (Which
in my opinion, should REQUIRE MANDATORY
JAILTIME)
, and always had
this shoved down my throat.
