Can a Woman Use Lethal Force to Stop a Rape? (Page 1)

I am not sure where you are going with this? I started to think that you were going to talk about the death penalty- you can't commit someone to death if they are impaired- however it's okay to use lethal force against them- but this is the abortion debate forum so I'm pretty sure you're not headed that route.

Anyways, yes, if someone tried to rape me I would use whatever force was at my disposal. You don't know the mental capacities of your attacker, and you certainly don't know the intentions of your attacker-they may rape and then kill you. I will certainly use very violent means to harm the other person -I can, I have the training.

I am considering getting conceal & carry permit, but in that consideration I have to understand that I will shoot someone. No hemming and hawing -if I have a gun, I have to make the decision that I will use it if I have to-which means reconciling shooting someone, and quite possibly killing them.

But I digress...

Sorry.

I agree with you whole heartedly!

You'll see where I'm going with this after we get some more responses. I truly am curious about how others feel about this subject.

I feel that a woman can use lethal force if she is being raped- I'm pefectly comfortable saying that rapists should die.

I do not, however, feel that a mentally ill individual should deserve to die for the same crime, if the mental illness is such that they do not understand the consequences/rules/morality of their actions.

But I don't think a woman should stop and try to figure out the mental capacity of an attacker, in the moment, you defend yourself. But if the illness was really so bad that they didn't understand such basic things, you would probably be able to tell, and perhaps do something about it. Like just knock them over the head or something. I don't know.

If a man tries to rape a woman, the woman has a right to kill him in defense. If it is a mentally impaired man, the woman still has a right to defend herself. Saying she doesn't have a right is like saying shooting a drug addict attacking you is wrong since he is high and doesn't know what his actions are. I think that women should have a right to stop the rapist with lethal force since trying to hit the rapist on the head or something has a large margin for error (I'm a mixed martial artist and I know that holding back or hesitating can REALLY hurt someone when they are in a desparate confrontation). Not only that, women should actively know that they have a right to kill the rapist since if they don't actively know it, they will hesitate when the situation actually arises.

I know that, I'm talking from a philosophical point of view, for example, I am in full support of the insanity plea - and like I said, if that's what you have to do to protect yourself, I'm not expecting women to stop and try to diagnose the attacker.

I don't care if a man is raping a woman or another man, or if a woman is raping a man or another woman. It is one of the most severe violations of personal rights, and any means necessary to prevent this should be employed by the victim, even if the rapist ends up dying. S/he should not have been trying to rape someone.

But why can't the woman just let him finish and be on his way? Does he have to die just so she doesn't have to have sex?
Isn't sex natural? Don't women have vaginas so men can put their penises in them?

I hope you're saying that to get me riled up.... Or to make some other point...

No he deserves to die, or live his whole life with his penis cut off and blood dripping behind him so everyone knows what he did.

Or if a woman did it, a little more complicated I guess, but something similar....

Sex is natural, between two consenting adults. Penises were made to be accepted into a warm, happy vagina, not forced into a scared, hurt vagina. Have you ever tried to put a penis into one that wasn't lubricated? Lubricant was created to ensure that the woman really wanted to have sex.

i will make the reply short.
Yes
Yes
i say yes because, and only because at that point and time you have to way to really tell if they are mentally handicapped, but also because i think its just another form of self preservation, would you use lethal force on a handicapped person who was trying to kill you? in the end its all the same question, can you justify it?

If someone was attempting to rape/kidnap/harm/kill me, I would do whatever I needed to do to defend myself. I don't think I'd have the presense of mind to stop and administer an IQ test to see if the person was mentally challenged. And to be honest, even if I was pretty sure they WERE mentally challenged, I don't think that would stop me trying to defend myself.

I absolutely wouldn't say "Oh, you have an IQ of 48? Go ahead then."

My body and safety matter too much to me to allow anyone to take advantage without me putting up one hell of a fight.

I agree that a woman has the right to kill anyone who tries to rape her. There is no way to know if the attacker is mentally challenged in the heat of the moment. Any attack should be met with all the force one can muster, regardless of whom the attacker may be. Ingi is correct about the act of rape. It is very much a crime of control and, unfortunately, many times the rapist must kill the victim so she cannot identify him.

Not unless the guy has a gun or knife.

Jinkies I think he was just stressing/emphasizing scenarios where it would be extremely difficult to fight back. The pressure and intensity of rape scenario changes vastly with a weapon at hand. "Don't move and don't try anything or I will bludgeon you to death" and the girl will suddenly stop struggling kind of scenario won't work as effectively, as opposed to a 7 inch rusted knife pricking at her throat or a 9 mm hand gun pointed to her head with the same threat, they would probably stop resistance much quicker. Though I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing, anyway know what I mean?

BTW, my nickname for you is jinkies now! =)