Your Spirituality And Abortion Posted: 09-26-07 07:31am
Ok.. I am a bit tired of being preached at
on each and every thread, I'm not xtian so
stop trying to 'god' me to death, other
then upsetting my digestion you are
accomplishing nothing.
However it does bring up some interesting
insights into spirituality and how it
relates to the abortion topic.
I'd like to see some of these listed
clearly, no attacks on someone's beliefs
please, just a clear definition of why
your spirituality may affect your
pro-choice, pro-life or fence riding
stance on the issue.
I'll start..
I am wiccan.
I follow my Rede which does not actually
say anything about abortion so it really
influences my position not at all. It
does say what I do is ok as long as it
harms no one else. I do not view an unborn
or recent conception as a 'person' until
the brain kicks in and it is self aware.
any others?
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Jules
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Posted: 09-26-07 07:46am
I have no religion. I do believe there is
a lot more to this existence than I
currently understand so I am still finding
my way.
I am uncomfortable with the idea of
abortion but I honestly don't know why.
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meblonde01
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Posted: 09-26-07 08:04am
I am Non- denomination Christian. I
believe that abortion is wrong because I
believe in God and I don’t think God
would want unborn babies aborted. I
don’t parade in front of an abortion
clinic but I will speak what I feel about
abortion.
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Jules
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Posted: 09-26-07 09:36am
Jincks, what led you to Wiccan-ism? (Is
that a word? lol)
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sillyakchick
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Posted: 09-26-07 09:43am
I am a buffet-ist, in that i believe that
most religions build upon the same theme
and have relatively important
philosophical ideals. If I had to choose
a religion I felt most comfortable with it
would be Buddhism. I visit the buddhist
temple several times a year (it's quite a
journey-45 minutes into the mountains and
then an hour hike to the temple). I
believe that their concept of Karma and
reincarnation makes the most sense to me.
I understand that my being prochoice
conflicts with their idea of "do no harm",
but I understand that for me, carrying a
child for 40 weeks would be doing great
harm to me and my family. Furthermore, I
won't force any type of religious doctrine
on anyone because i know that the things
you do in this world now will be paid for
or gratified in the next life. I find
that people are able to create their own
cosmic punishment and don't need me to do
it for them.
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Posted: 09-26-07 10:11am
I am a Christian. The church we attend is
Baptist, but I find myself disagreeing a
lot with the preacher, so I probably don't
belong there. Southern Baptists are pretty
hard-core with their belief structures,
and I'm more open-minded. My husband and I
don't see eye to eye on either abortion or
homosexual rights. He has the typical "the
bible says it's wrong so people shouldn't
be allowed to do it" mentality that I
don't agree with at all, so we've agreed
to disagree. I'm not sure if there's a
Christian church in our state that I would
feel more at ease with (I love our
church!) so when certain things are
mentioned that I don't agree with, I
choose to agree to disagree with the
preacher on those issues.
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sillyakchick
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Posted: 09-26-07 10:17am
That must be really difficult. IT was for
that reason that I stopped attending
church 4 times a year..
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Posted: 09-26-07 12:39pm
Jules
wrote:
I have no religion. I do
believe there is a lot more to this
existence than I currently understand so I
am still finding my way.
I am uncomfortable with the idea of
abortion but I honestly don't know
why.
That was a refreshingly honest answer, and
I appreciate your posting it.
It mirrors my views until the last part.
I am not uncomfortable with abortion and I
know why.
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meblonde01
wrote:
I am Non- denomination
Christian. I believe that abortion is
wrong because I believe in God and I
don’t think God would want unborn babies
aborted. I don’t parade in front of an
abortion clinic but I will speak what I
feel about
abortion.
Why do you think God let's so many
spontaneous abortions happen? For every
live birth, 8 or 9 "babies" were
spontaneously aborted/never implanted.
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Marianne0558
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Posted: 09-26-07 12:51pm
I don't know what my exact religious
denomination would be.
I believe what I believe. I think there
MIGHT be a higher being, but there is no
way to know for sure until I die. I don't
believe all the things in the bible
because to me, it's just a bunch of
stories/fables. Fables as in a story with
a moral in the end.
I think people should believe what they
want-hence why I don't go to church
anymore. Here in the south, religious
beliefs are pushed on people, which is
wrong to me.
I don't have a problem with abortion, as
long as it's not used as a form of birth
control. I think there is a need for them
and it should stay legal so women have a
SAFE way to receive them.
As for the irresponsible people out there
who just think abortion is a way out of
taking care of your responsibility, they
should be smacked in the head with a
bible---or something.
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Posted: 09-26-07 12:52pm
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
I am a Christian. The church
we attend is Baptist, but I find myself
disagreeing a lot with the preacher, so I
probably don't belong there. Southern
Baptists are pretty hard-core with their
belief structures, and I'm more
open-minded. My husband and I don't see
eye to eye on either abortion or
homosexual rights. He has the typical "the
bible says it's wrong so people shouldn't
be allowed to do it" mentality that I
don't agree with at all, so we've agreed
to disagree. I'm not sure if there's a
Christian church in our state that I would
feel more at ease with (I love our
church!) so when certain things are
mentioned that I don't agree with, I
choose to agree to disagree with the
preacher on those issues.
What does he say when you point out the
fact that the Bible also tells slaves to
bey their masters?
Does your husband (personal question
alert, don't answer if you don't want to)
also think you two should have sex ONLY
when you want an additional child?
Were your differences as apparent before
you were married, or did one of you
change?
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Posted: 09-26-07 13:31pm
I was born and rasied as Catholic, but
when I got out of the clutches of
brainwashing (I mean Catholic) elementary
school, I started to develop personal
non-religion based beliefs that conflicted
with the ones I was taught as a child. I
also became an evolutionist and quit
believing in God because I felt that the
belief that some creature no one had ever
even seen created everything we know to
exist today was ridiculous.
Also, I couldn't deal with a religion that
felt it was acceptable to dictate how many
children a couple could have
(anti-contraception and anti-abortion),
when people could have sex
(anti-premarital sex), and who could get
married (anti-gay marriage).
As far as abortion in general, I'm fully
supportive of it under any circumstances.
I've never heard of anyone getting an
abortion just to know what the experience
feels like, but even if that was their
reasoning, then that's their choice and
theirs only, and I feel no religion should
have the grounds to dictate the choices
someone makes about their own life.
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Posted: 09-26-07 14:15pm
Jules
wrote:
Jincks, what led you to
Wiccan-ism? (Is that a word?
lol)
TO many unanswered questions to start
with..I kept being told to 'have faith'
when I wanted answers then a traumatic
event really woke me up to the fact that I
didn't believe a god could exist and let
such things happen. I had been told only a
certain type of people had such things
happen to them; there was no help or
healing there. THere was condemnation and
assurances of 'gods will'.. god and I have
a score to settle on that one if it
existed.
I learned gradually about options; I liked
the peaceful nature of the wiccan system;
no demands, no church days, encouragement
to find answers not being petted on the
head and told to 'have faith'.
That bad things happend to good people;
that there was no need to demand obedience
and tolerance of others was actually a
good idea and there was nothing wrong with
me for thinking so.. basically the
naturalism and openess perked my interest.
I started to learn more and by the time I
was 14 I knew what path made sense to me.
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I am agnostic. I don't know, and I don't
think anyone else knows either.
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I was raised Catholic. I remained Catholic
for quite sometime... all through
highschool, too. Then I became acquainted
with Catholic Doctrine pertaining to
homosexuality. And THEN I came out of the
closet. Seeing the conflict between the
way I was, and the way the church was
telling me to be, I left. I still love
many facets of Catholicism, but I am NOT
Catholic. I study comparative religion
full time and love it to death. Because of
this, I consider myself, too, as a
"buffet-ist" as someone previously stated
(I like that term a lot, mind if I borrow
it!?). I think every religion is an
attempt to legitimize, experience and
understand the exact same 'ultimate
truth'.
Anyways, how does this pertain to
abortion? As a result of my beliefs: I
don't like abortion, and wished it didn't
exist. However, it does, and, in certain
circumstances, it is warranted. I respect
the right to choose, and am a very staunch
supporter of ALL choices women have when
faced with an unwanted pregnancy. I don't
now how that ties in with my spirituality,
but there you have it.
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Posted: 09-26-07 18:44pm
futureshock
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AyaMiyaki
wrote:
I am a Christian. The church
we attend is Baptist, but I find myself
disagreeing a lot with the preacher, so I
probably don't belong there. Southern
Baptists are pretty hard-core with their
belief structures, and I'm more
open-minded. My husband and I don't see
eye to eye on either abortion or
homosexual rights. He has the typical "the
bible says it's wrong so people shouldn't
be allowed to do it" mentality that I
don't agree with at all, so we've agreed
to disagree. I'm not sure if there's a
Christian church in our state that I would
feel more at ease with (I love our
church!) so when certain things are
mentioned that I don't agree with, I
choose to agree to disagree with the
preacher on those issues.
What does he say when you point out the
fact that the Bible also tells slaves to
bey their masters?
Does your husband (personal question
alert, don't answer if you don't want to)
also think you two should have sex ONLY
when you want an additional child?
Were your differences as apparent before
you were married, or did one of you
change?
Well we've gotten to a point now where we
just don't discuss hot topics, because I
can't convince him he's wrong and he can't
convince me I'm wrong. But we've known for
years (pre-marriage) that we didn't agree
on these things.
I've never mentioned the slave-obey-master
thing, but I'm sure if I did he'd make
some smart comment about how I should
start obeying him like a good little slave
he thinks he's so
clever.
He doesn't believe sex is only for
procreation, but if I were to conceive a
child that we weren't expecting, we
wouldn't abort. It's not for us. If I
chose to abort, he wouldn't support me in
it at all. But I don't plan on aborting. I
personally don't believe I could ever do
it - but I do believe, quite strongly,
that others should be free to make their
own choices.
I hope that answers your questions.
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Posted: 09-26-07 20:17pm
Thank-you you did answer all of my
questions quite thoroughly.
I am married and we would never abort a
child either, because we are in a place
where children are welcome. Married,
financially stable, mature, etc. Plus we
have a child now. But years ago and in
college, that was entirely different.
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Posted: 09-26-07 23:20pm
I am somewhat spiritual. I don't know if a
"being" exists out there somewhere, but I
can't deny that sometimes, nature just has
a "feel" to it. I've called myself all
kinds of things, from "open christian" to
buddhist to christo-buddhist as of late. I
wish there was some kind of floaty spirit
of nature out there (like The Force, or
whatever) but ask a skeptic I just can't
accept it.
I wish it was acceptable to like Jesus but
not believe in his divinity. Oh sure,
Jewish and Islamic people get away with it
(the holy trinity of monotheism!) but
really, it's very frowned upon to say
"Yeah, Jesus was awesome, but mortal". Yet
this is what I strongly feel! Well, maybe
not strongly. I like Buddha too. Do I
agree 100% with either of these men? Nope,
which is why I am not really buddhist nor
am I really christian.
Anyway. My spiritual beliefs, convoluted
as they may be, do NOT influence my views
on abortion at all. My Pro-Choice stance
on abortion is based purely on what I feel
are personal rights, science, and the law.
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I'm christian and this is what I believe
We believe in one God, the Father, the
Almighty, maker of heaven and earth of all
that is seen and unseen. We believe in one
Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father, God from
God, Light from Light, true God from true
God, begotten, not made, one in Being with
the Father. Through Him all things were
made. For us men and for our salvation He
came down from heaven; by the power of the
Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin
Mary, and became man. For our sake He was
crucified under Pontius Pilate; He
suffered died, and was buried. On the
third day He rose in fulfillment of the
Scriptures; He ascended into heaven and is
seated at the right hand of the Father. He
will come again in glory to judge the
living and the dead, and his kingdom will
have no end. We believe in the Holy
Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who
proceeds from the Father and the Son. With
the Father and the Son He is worshiped and
glorified. He has spoken through the
Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic
and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one
baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We
look for the resurrection of the dead, and
the life of the world to come. Amen
and how christianity relate to abortion
"thou shall not kill" (Exodus 20:13;
Deuteronomy 5:17)
In difficult circumstances we trust the
Lord will support us.
"I can do everything through Him who gives
me strength" Philippians 4:13
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Posted: 09-27-07 07:01am
I am a Catholic, I believe in the holy
trinity, the infallibility of the holy
spirit's guidance of the pope and the
magistirum. I am pretty sure Christianity
is the only true religion and that
Catholicism in particualr is the fullness
of that true religion. There are many many
aspects of myself I find that are in
conflict with the Church but I try to
conform my will to what I believe is the
will of God. I believe it is for a person
to seek to please God not for God to
please man, that true religion is never
found in those organisations that seek to
please man but rather call all men to
conform to the wishes of God. So I do have
many hard times and make many sacrafices
in order to remain a Catholic, but it is
my love for Christ that sustains me. I
feel a religion should be challenging and
compelling us to better ourselves, If i
sought a religion that pleased me in
effect I would be only putting myself as
God, seeking to please myself rather than
that/he which is more perfect than I. the
sacraficial side of christianity prepares
us for all relationships with friends,
enemies, family and of course our spouse,
there always has to be give and take in
any relationship and as Jesus said "it is
more blessed to give than recieve"
Although the Catholic faith had little to
do with my postion on abortion since i
held my por life postion before I
converted and i am sure if i had been
aware of abortion as a Child I am sure I
would have thought it wrong then as well
since I knew where babies came from and
had a child like understanding of
reproduction. So it was not hard for me to
accept the biological fact of when a human
life begins, since it was already what I
believed anyway.