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Q: Another What-if: What If Abortions Could Be Forced?
asked by: Cambion on September 23rd, 2007
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I made this comment in the 'How can women be anti-choice?' topic, and I realized it may make an interesting debate topic.

Pro-lifers are always whining about how abortion needs to be made illegal because it's wrong, it's an act of playing God, it kills a 'human person', and so forth. What if the tables were to get turned, and what if forced abortions became legal?

Imagine this scenario:
A few years down the road, the world has become even more incredibly overpopulated, to the point where there are not enough resources to sustain the life that exists. The price of things like fuel, meat, vegetables, and water go way up, to the point where only high-income individuals (or those who can milk the system for good welfare benefits) can afford these - everyone else has to make due with things that are entirely man-made.

The government realizes this is a huge problem and puts a law into place that makes IVF illegal and requires people to terminate all pregnancies, and this law would be in place for about three years to reduce the population. Think China's one-child policy, only one child less than what they allow; women would undergo mandatory pelvic exams four times a year to ensure they are not pregnant, and if they are pregnant, they are forced (perhaps against their will) to abort, regardless of how far along they are. Also, prices on things like IUDs and sterilization go down dramatically and birth control becomes free...to encourage people to not get pregnant.

I know something like this would never happen, but imagine, if you can, if it did. Pro-lifers, you go on and on about how women should have no choice when they are pregnant and should give birth no matter what, because it's the new life that matters and not the existing one. You want our choice taken away....well, what if yours got taken away? What if you wanted a child so bad, but you were forced to abort every time you got pregnant?

I'd bet you wouldn't like having legally no say over what happens to your body. What makes you think other women want the government to dictate what they can and cannot do with their own bodies and their own lives?

And it could be said that forced abortions for the sake of population control was in the best interests of the people - there would possibly be more resources to go around and having more available to us would not only be good for the population in general, but it would also be in the best interests of future generations.
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Verizon-y
replied on September 23rd, 2007
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Excellent hypothetical. Here's another one.

SOme pl'ers want the father/husband to have a say over whether or not a woman can have an abortion. What if he were given the legal right to force his gf/wife to abort?

What if he decided he didn't want a kid/thought the family couldn't afford it/etc.? So he then has the cops haul his pregnant wife or gf away to the abortion clinic, has her restrained, and the abortion is performed?

It's not any different from the opposite, having his wife/gf hauled away and physically restrained so that she WON'T abort.
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young Girl
replied on September 23rd, 2007
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nice topic Wink

the only thing i find funny is how you used chinas one child law...and look at how much more over populated china is than the US and other countries Shocked
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Verizon-y
replied on September 23rd, 2007
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the_girlfreind wrote:
nice topic Wink

the only thing i find funny is how you used chinas one child law...and look at how much more over populated china is than the US and other countries Shocked


I don't get it. Question Embarassed
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Cambion
replied on September 23rd, 2007
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the only thing i find funny is how you used chinas one child law...and look at how much more over populated china is than the US and other countries


China wasn't always so overpopulated, you know. China realized they had a big problem with the booming population, whcih is why they made the one-child policy. America is far too child-centric to take any measures to limit population growth, though, because so many people firmly believe there is no population problem.
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young Girl
replied on September 23rd, 2007
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Cambion wrote:
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the only thing i find funny is how you used chinas one child law...and look at how much more over populated china is than the US and other countries


China wasn't always so overpopulated, you know. China realized they had a big problem with the booming population, whcih is why they made the one-child policy. America is far too child-centric to take any measures to limit population growth, though, because so many people firmly believe there is no population problem.

theres a population problem everywhere
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Verizon-y
replied on September 23rd, 2007
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Not like in China.
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young Girl
replied on September 23rd, 2007
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futureshock wrote:
Not like in China.


not like in china

but its still there
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Gu£st
replied on September 23rd, 2007
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killing human beings is not the answer to over population
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young Girl
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Gu£st wrote:
killing human beings is not the answer to over population


youre right its not the answer


however terminateing pregnancies would not be killing a human being Wink
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Gu£st
replied on September 23rd, 2007
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killing human beings is not the answer to over population.
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Tylanas
replied on September 23rd, 2007
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futureshock wrote:
Excellent hypothetical. Here's another one.

SOme pl'ers want the father/husband to have a say over whether or not a woman can have an abortion. What if he were given the legal right to force his gf/wife to abort?

That would be absolutely hideous O.o Horrible! I'd fight that law with my life.
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What if he decided he didn't want a kid/thought the family couldn't afford it/etc.? So he then has the cops haul his pregnant wife or gf away to the abortion clinic, has her restrained, and the abortion is performed?

It's not any different from the opposite, having his wife/gf hauled away and physically restrained so that she WON'T abort.


Exactly!! It's JUST as horrible, it is an equal violation of the woman's rights and the sanctity of her body.

*shudders at the thought of either situation*
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Tylanas
replied on September 23rd, 2007
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the_girlfreind wrote:
nice topic Wink

the only thing i find funny is how you used chinas one child law...and look at how much more over populated china is than the US and other countries Shocked

As unfair as the law is and despite the moral issues it causes in reference to forced abortion - which happens regularly - the law HAS managed to slow China's population growth. I'm not saying it's good or bad, I'm just stating the fact.
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AyaMiyaki
replied on September 23rd, 2007
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Actually, I read somewhere that if both parents are single offspring (neither have brothers or sisters), they are now allowed to have TWO children. Just thought I'd mention that.

Does anyone know what happens in China if you're pregnant with twins or triplets? Confused
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Cambion
replied on September 23rd, 2007
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Does anyone know what happens in China if you're pregnant with twins or triplets?


Yes - multiples is one of the exceptions to the one-child policy. If the woman conceives twins or more, she can have them all with no repercussions. People can also have two children if the first-born is female (we all know how wanted Chinese baby girls are), or if the child passes away. But I'm pretty sure any fetuses that manage to escape being aborted that would normally have been cost the parents some hefty fines.
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young Girl
replied on September 23rd, 2007
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Cambion wrote:
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Does anyone know what happens in China if you're pregnant with twins or triplets?


Yes - multiples is one of the exceptions to the one-child policy. If the woman conceives twins or more, she can have them all with no repercussions. People can also have two children if the first-born is female (we all know how wanted Chinese baby girls are), or if the child passes away. But I'm pretty sure any fetuses that manage to escape being aborted that would normally have been cost the parents some hefty fines.


yeah there is some kind of fine if yu have over the limit allowed
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Verizon-y
replied on September 23rd, 2007
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the_girlfreind wrote:
Gu£st wrote:
killing human beings is not the answer to over population


youre right its not the answer


however terminateing pregnancies would not be killing a human being Wink


Exactly.
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