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Right to Life Debate Posted: 09-14-07 04:30am
I believe that all human beings should
have the right to life from the moment
they come into existance to the moment
they leave this life by natural means, I
believe all human beings have the right to
life.
Do you disagree?
Do you think it is a morally sound and a
socially safe postion to believe that one
human being or group of human beings has
the right to deny that another human being
or group of human being should not have
the right to life, giving certain human
beings the right to choose to kill them?
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Re: Right to Life Debate Posted: 09-14-07 09:21am
Gu£st
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I believe that all human
beings should have the right to life from
the moment they come into existance to the
moment they leave this life by natural
means, I believe all human beings have the
right to life.
Do you disagree?
Do you think it is a morally sound and a
socially safe postion to believe that one
human being or group of human beings has
the right to deny that another human being
or group of human being should not have
the right to life, giving certain human
beings the right to choose to kill
them?
I do disagree.
I believe very strongly in Personal
Rights. My rights to do whatever I want to
myself and to the areas around me extend
all the way... until your body starts. The
Moment I infringe upon YOUR personal
rights, that's where mine end.
A zef very powerfully invades a woman's
personal space and violates her personal
rights. It doesn't matter how human it is;
her body comes first. This applies to born
people and the unborn. It's universal, and
it isn't biased towards fetuses or towards
adults. That's why it works.
Because it is unbiased, it does NOT say
that one group of humans has no right to
life. It says all humans who invade my
personal space loose their own.
That's why I was taught never to start a
fight, but it was fine to end them. If you
violate my personal rights by punching me,
I've got the right to defend myself.
I personally see this as very clear, and
very obvious. It is why rape is wrong. It
is why murder and assault is wrong.
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Re: Right to Life Debate Posted: 09-14-07 09:26am
Eiri
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I do disagree.
I believe very strongly in Personal
Rights. My rights to do whatever I want to
myself and to the areas around me extend
all the way... until your body starts. The
Moment I infringe upon YOUR personal
rights, that's where mine end.
A zef very powerfully invades a woman's
personal space and violates her personal
rights. It doesn't matter how human it is;
her body comes first. This applies to born
people and the unborn. It's universal, and
it isn't biased towards fetuses or towards
adults. That's why it works.
Because it is unbiased, it does NOT say
that one group of humans has no right to
life. It says all humans who invade my
personal space loose their own.
That's why I was taught never to start a
fight, but it was fine to end them. If you
violate my personal rights by punching me,
I've got the right to defend myself.
I personally see this as very clear, and
very obvious. It is why rape is wrong. It
is why murder and assault is
wrong.
Couldn't have said that better myself.
I believe people should do what they want
as long as it doesn't infringe upon any
one else's beliefs/rights.
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Posted: 09-14-07 09:34am
What say does the little guy/girl have to
say about their life? NOTHING! So what you
say is ok for you is not ok for a possible
person inside of you, they don't get the
choice that you do. You decide for them.
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Posted: 09-14-07 09:42am
meblonde01
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What say does the little
guy/girl have to say about their life?
NOTHING! So what you say is ok for you is
not ok for a possible person inside of
you, they don't get the choice that you
do. You decide for
them.
I think until they are able to say
something for themselves, they can't say
anything. (ie, breath the air and create
sounds in protest as in crying, etc.)
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Posted: 09-14-07 10:09am
"I do disagree."
Okay I am keeping an open mind!
"I believe very strongly in Personal
Rights. "
Straight away I disagree with the premise
of your argument because dosnt Personal
rights stand on the fundemental right to
life... what personal rights could we
possibly have if not the right to life?
"My rights to do whatever I want to myself
and to the areas around me extend all the
way... until your body starts. "
I agree totally, that is bodily attonomy -
that itself stands only in so far as you
yourself have the right to life.
"The Moment I infringe upon YOUR personal
rights, that's where mine end."
100% with you all the way!!!
"A zef very powerfully invades a woman's
personal space and violates her personal
rights."
but it does not violate her right to life
upon which that stands.
"It doesn't matter how human it is; her
body comes first.This applies to born
people and the unborn. It's universal, and
it isn't biased towards fetuses or towards
adults. That's why it works. "
but surely that human beings right to life
comes first, since the right to life
always comes first and is the right upon
which all personal rights stand.
"Because it is unbiased, it does NOT say
that one group of humans has no right to
life. It says all humans who invade my
personal space loose their own. "
I see your point but I dont think a person
who touches you accidently should loose
his right to life, just because you take
offense to being touched accidently. even
if he touched you on purpose, even to the
point of rape s/he should have some of
their personal rights taken away because
they infringed on your personal right but
to have their fundemental right to life
taken away is extreeme and would be
putting personal rights above the
fundemental right to life upon which all
personal rights stand.
"That's why I was taught never to start a
fight, but it was fine to end them. If you
violate my personal rights by punching me,
I've got the right to defend myself."
Of course you have the right to defend
yourself, but to kill someone for merely
punching you is a bit extreemist, if your
life was in danger that would be good
reason but a punch?
"I personally see this as very clear, and
very obvious. It is why rape is wrong. It
is why homicide and assault is wrong."
Well I agree with what you say about Rape
and assualt but not murrder, murrder is
worse than assualt and rape in that it
takes away the fundemental right to life
of another human being, murrder is far
worse than both rape and assualt.
"I believe people should do what they want
as long as it doesn't infringe upon any
one else's beliefs/rights."
I agree which is why I oppose abortion.
"I think until they are able to say
something for themselves, they can't say
anything"
I believe if a mute is about to have his
life taken away because he cant speak for
himself it is our duty as a caring society
to stand up and protect his rights. If a
human being can not speak for themselves
they need protection the most.
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Posted: 09-14-07 10:13am
sillyakchick
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meblonde01
wrote:
What say does the little
guy/girl have to say about their life?
NOTHING! So what you say is ok for you is
not ok for a possible person inside of
you, they don't get the choice that you
do. You decide for
them.
I think until they are able to say
something for themselves, they can't say
anything. (ie, breath the air and create
sounds in protest as in crying,
etc.)
so they have no say about thier bodies
like women should have? even though, they
too could be a women/man one day just like
us. seems sort of all one sided doesn't
it?
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Posted: 09-14-07 10:15am
Gu£st
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Well I agree with Rape and assualt but not
murrder, murrder is worse than assualt and
rape in that it takes away the fundemental
right to life of another human being,
murrder is far worse than both rape and
assualt.
How can you say that rape doesn't take
away the fundamental right to life?
Rape can traumatize the uterus so badly
that it is unable to support life for a
child anyway. What about those women who
can never have a child due to a rape?
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Posted: 09-14-07 10:17am
meblonde01
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sillyakchick
wrote:
meblonde01
wrote:
What say does the little
guy/girl have to say about their life?
NOTHING! So what you say is ok for you is
not ok for a possible person inside of
you, they don't get the choice that you
do. You decide for
them.
I think until they are able to say
something for themselves, they can't say
anything. (ie, breath the air and create
sounds in protest as in crying,
etc.)
so they have no say about thier bodies
like women should have? even though, they
too could be a women/man one day just like
us. seems sort of all one sided doesn't
it?
When a person is in a vegetated state,
their brain is basically dead. Why is it
not wrong to pull the life support plug?
When abortion is performed (9 times out of
10), it is so early that the fetus doesn't
even have a brain developed. They don't
even have arms/legs.
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Posted: 09-14-07 10:18am
Marianne0558
wrote:
meblonde01
wrote:
sillyakchick
wrote:
meblonde01
wrote:
What say does the little
guy/girl have to say about their life?
NOTHING! So what you say is ok for you is
not ok for a possible person inside of
you, they don't get the choice that you
do. You decide for
them.
I think until they are able to say
something for themselves, they can't say
anything. (ie, breath the air and create
sounds in protest as in crying,
etc.)
so they have no say about thier bodies
like women should have? even though, they
too could be a women/man one day just like
us. seems sort of all one sided doesn't
it?
When a person is in a vegetated state,
their brain is basically dead. Why is it
not wrong to pull the life support plug?
When abortion is performed (9 times out of
10), it is so early that the fetus doesn't
even have a brain developed. They don't
even have
arms/legs.
9 times out of 10 they are in that stage
when aborted? Cound you show me where you
got your numbers?
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Posted: 09-14-07 10:22am
meblonde01
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9 times out of 10 they are in that stage
when aborted? Cound you show me where you
got your
numbers?
FROM PLANNED PARENTHOOD
More than 90 percent of all induced
abortions are performed during the first
trimester (the first three months of
pregnancy). In fact, more than half are
performed within the first two months of
pregnancy. These abortions are usually
performed at a clinic or in a doctor's
office, and the women go home an hour or
so later.
Fewer than nine percent of abortions take
place in the second trimester (14 through
24 weeks of pregnancy). Abortions in the
second trimester are more complicated
procedures but are also quite safe.
Abortion in the last three months of
pregnancy is extremely rare. Only one out
of 10,000 abortions takes place after 24
weeks. It requires hospitalization and is
performed only when the pregnancy
seriously threatens a woman's health or
life or when the fetus is severely
deformed.
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Posted: 09-14-07 10:33am
"How can you say that rape doesn't take
away the fundamental right to life?
Rape can traumatize the uterus so badly
that it is unable to support life for a
child anyway. What about those women who
can never have a child due to a rape?"
I understand it is a heinous crime but it
is a violation of personal right not the
fundemental right to life, I can
understand life for a life ( although I
dont agree with it) but not personal right
for a life.
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Posted: 09-14-07 10:43am
I just find it interesting that pro-choice
say it is their body so it is their
decision to decide what to do and yet what
is growing inside of them would also be a
living person like them selves but have no
choice in their destiny. And have no
choice with their bodies to live or die.
Even if they are considered to be
non-human-blob-nothing while in a women.
The end result would be to have a choice
just like the women. But their choice is
taken away by the choice of another. Doing
just what they are against. Taking away
someone’s choice.
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Posted: 09-14-07 10:47am
meblond, your exacly right, there is
nothing pro choice about being pro choice,
infact the pro life possiton is evidently
more pro choice.... i have never thought
about it like that.
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Posted: 09-14-07 11:01am
meblonde01
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sillyakchick
wrote:
meblonde01
wrote:
What say does the little
guy/girl have to say about their life?
NOTHING! So what you say is ok for you is
not ok for a possible person inside of
you, they don't get the choice that you
do. You decide for
them.
I think until they are able to say
something for themselves, they can't say
anything. (ie, breath the air and create
sounds in protest as in crying,
etc.)
so they have no say about thier bodies
like women should have? even though, they
too could be a women/man one day just like
us. seems sort of all one sided doesn't
it?
How about when they actually have a body
and a mind then they can have a say?
Or do you think that a single cell that
can only be seen under a microscope
should have a say?
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Posted: 09-14-07 11:03am
meblonde01
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I just find it interesting
that pro-choice say it is their body so it
is their decision to decide what to do and
yet what is growing inside of them would
also be a living person like them selves
but have no choice in their destiny. And
have no choice with their bodies to live
or die. Even if they are considered to be
non-human-blob-nothing while in a women.
The end result would be to have a choice
just like the women. But their choice is
taken away by the choice of another.
.
The end result of a sperm is a person.
The end result of an egg is a person. Why
don't sperm and eggs have rights?
Don't you see that you are ARBITRARILY
deciding WHEN a potential person has
rights?
Do you know what ARBITRARILY means?
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Posted: 09-14-07 11:04am
well technichly they do have a body and a
mind, so i guess they have the right.
dont you see that you are deciding
Arbitarly when to give a human being the
right to life, your basing your opinion on
phiolsophy of personhood and viability
(that changes from year to year) on
nothing that really signifies, these are
all made on your discresion, your arbitary
position. However the pro life position is
based on a solid iconic biological fact
and is NOT ARBITARY opinion.
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Posted: 09-14-07 11:11am
guest...you ask...: should all human
beings have the right to life
takeing away the choice to abort would we
takeing away a "right to life". your
body,your fetus,your life...your
choices..your RIGHT TO YOUR LIFE
its like saying...
everyone MUST marry into their own race
GAY/LESBIAN couples should not be
reconized and we shouldnt let them have
choices like other people in life have
AFRICAN AMERICANS MUST go to different
schools than anglos...
just because some people feel that its
right to abort doesnt mean that others
will. just like some people thing gay
marriage is ok and others dont. just like
some people think only white people should
marry white people and black people should
marry blacks
if we leave the choice in the hands of ONE
group of people (in this case either pro
lifers or pro choicers) then it wouldnt be
fair because not all people feel the same
and no one in the history of the subject
on abortion will ever all be able to agree
on it
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Posted: 09-14-07 11:30am
People who don't have a problem with
abortion feel that the fetus has not
achieved 'personhood' at the point when it
is ok to abort.
People who have a problem with abortion
feel that the fetus reaches 'personhood'
the moment it is conceived.
This won't ever change.
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Posted: 09-14-07 11:36am
futureshock
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meblonde01
wrote:
sillyakchick
wrote:
meblonde01
wrote:
What say does the little
guy/girl have to say about their life?
NOTHING! So what you say is ok for you is
not ok for a possible person inside of
you, they don't get the choice that you
do. You decide for
them.
I think until they are able to say
something for themselves, they can't say
anything. (ie, breath the air and create
sounds in protest as in crying,
etc.)
so they have no say about thier bodies
like women should have? even though, they
too could be a women/man one day just like
us. seems sort of all one sided doesn't
it?
How about when they actually have a body
and a mind then they can have a say?
Or do you think that a single cell that
can only be seen under a microscope
should have a
say?
I am saying it would be just as you are
and eventally have a say. But your choice
takes it's choice away. Just like you
don't want done to you!
even though, they
too could be a women/man one day just like
us. seems sort of all one sided doesn't
it?
