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Posted: 09-18-07 22:00pm
Seriously Onderdonk, you need to start
condensing your little lectures. That is
way too long to read.
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Philo
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Re: Tantra Posted: 09-20-07 09:51am
ONDERDONK
wrote:
[Tantra] does sound somewhat
proprietary and overblown, i like my magic
a little more accessible than that.
You must be kidding. It is your "magic"
that no one understands but you, while
tantra is accessible to anyone that is
able to sit and meditate.
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ONDERDONK
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Sit And Meditate? Posted: 09-20-07 16:12pm
ok, no one understands my magic but me.
therein may lie the appeal, for me.
Anyway, I'd love to sit and meditate, but
i am way too crazy. no discipline. the
closest i come, i kind of think, is
reading the taoist stuff.
and i do realize the gist of the tantra
stuff is similar.
i want to know everything, hear all the
interesting stuff. but time limits me. i
have to choose. i used to read philosophy
- hegel, stuff like that - but eveolved to
where i rarely do, it's more the
taoist/buddhist poretry, the taoist
onastic ethical rules, the tao te ching
and hua .. whatever, those things work,
and after an hour of reading it i am calm,
weird, more sane.
i noticed the philosophy books do it too,
but take longer to do the job. it's like
the heartburn meds go, some you have to
take a day or days ahead of time - liek
reading philosophy, maybe tantra. then
theres just popping something instant -
the chinese poetry...
but though i don't have the time, and
don't plan on purchasing the (only one or
two available that i know of) books, on
the other hand i wouldn't mind learning
here, from you.
but there has to be more than "sit and
meditate". and it does sound interesting
but sounds time consuming, i don't tend to
dedicate that kind of time. it takes alot
of reading and alot of exersize to be as
insane as i am, and all that time has to
be managed, and i have to manage a
carreer, so, nothing personal, just no
time for tantra.
i do have a question:" what's the
difference between this meditation
religion, and the emails about tantric sex
workshops?
-onderdonk
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Stan
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Posted: 09-20-07 16:36pm
Daoism is where it's at.
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Philo
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Posted: 09-21-07 09:30am
Well, I do have a high regard for tantra
but I'm not a specialist, and in no
position to "teach". I read some Trungpa a
decade ago and that's about it. You're
right in that it's time consuming. It's a
life project, really, where the goal is to
become a bodhisattva. So I advocate it,
but I can't do it myself because I can't
sit still.
Some sects of tantric buddhism use sexual
practices as part of the path toward
enlightenment, and I guess the emails you
received were a Western adaptation and
decontextualization of some of those
practices.
One of the goals in tantra is to transmute
negative energy and negative feelings into
positive ones. What they teach is that you
can't erase the negative aspects of the
psyche but you can transmute its
characteristics. They talk about anger
without hate, for example, an anger that
is just and righteous; hence the "wrathful
entities", which are "gods" that exhibit
anger at you for straying off the path or
commiting an inappropriate act.
Similarly with a non-enlightened mind, you
have lots of neurotic stuff happening in
your mind - hangups, bad habits,
aggression, negativity - and instead of
purging the mind of those, which is close
to impossible, you transmute them into
ornaments that you wear. I think the idea
is that when they're ornamental, they're
not basic to your existence anymore.
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ONDERDONK
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New Book Posted: 12-08-07 17:39pm
I have written all my "delusions" /
"psychoses" insto a single "memoir",
called "Wagging my redshift tail - a
memoir of schizotypal personality
disorder"; kind of the autobiography of my
last ten years. These writings about anti
gravity and anti time are an appendage to
that biography. I continue to develop
psychoses as a hobby on a regular basis,
but no new material in the past two
months, i had to shut down my schizotypal
thinking for a while, I just finished
writing a book i am publishing, a
technical manual on citrix presentation
server 4.5, since there isn't one on the
market, and there are 12 million citrix
implementations in the world, and there is
no good book in the bookstore on citrix,
just one poor book on a two year old
version. figured i'd make a little money,
sell it on the internet. almost finished,
I've got several books set aside to
reignite the psychosis-building. I have
relinquished gravity - i no longer believe
in it, in my non-ordinary universe model,
everything is radiant - in the commonly
held delusion, there is an invisible force
in the ground that is pulling everybody
down. I now fly up mountains, 'cause in my
world everything doesn't "suck", but
everything is "RADIANT!". And I am the
leader of all matter and energy in the war
against time.
but I cannot publish my schizotypality
memoir. It reads like the schizophrenia
memoir of Daniel Schreber from 1900 in
germany. Daneil schreber's just isn't as
manic as mine, but there are dozens of
similarities in our psychoses. I loved his
and integrated parts of it into my own.
Thing is, history tells us Daniel Schreber
was institutionalized for the rest of his
life, partly because he insisted on having
his psychotic memoir published. As the
laws in modern day new york and san
francisco are much like the draconian 19th
century german laws, I can't even show
that memoir to a publisher, or i could be
locked up. As it is i live on my own, work
half time, and the rest of the time i roam
free and crazy, living the life of a
contemplative philosopher. i just get
crazier and crazier.
