no one decides whats right and whats wrong

no single human or group of human beings has the right to do so when it comes to the human body and individual rights of a pregnant mother.

its n ones place to say or force someone into sometthing reguardless of what you think is wrong or right

IMO

But some people equate abortion with murrder. We obviously enforce laws regarding murrder... so why not abortion??


I do agree with you, I'm just trying to pick your brain... to determine where the line is.

ahh no brain picking lol

well unfortunately you cant say that abortion is homicide. no one can
everyone cn have their opinions and call it whatever you want but in the end its not up to us to decide wwhat its called or how it should be

you know i just thought...prochoice people think more "outside of the box" then pro life people do. when you think about it and look back at all the psotings made on here by pro life and prochoice people its actually interesteing how...the pro life individuals are set in stone about what they believe even if what they believe controdicts some of what they say or feel on other things in life.
while pro choice people are more..."open" and believe that everyone is entitles to feel and say what they want and think. that its not either right or wrong...but its all up to the person whos actually going through it. whereas the pro life individuals would automatically take the right to choose away from everyone because of what THEY feel is right.

am i makeing any sense here? lol

No you're totally right. I think it's just the point of pro-choice- regardless of my personal feeling about abortion, I recognize that everyone has the right to feel about it how they choose and make decisions that are best for them, emotionally, physically, financially, etc.

That's partly why I asked in the first place. But how do we decide which issues we can enforce for everyone (like murrder) and which are up to the individual?

I think that it's none of the govt's business, unless the action causes harm to another person. In the case of abortion, the unborn are not persons and nobody has been able to prove that aborting a non sentient embryo or fetus is harmful to it. Therefore, in the case of abortion, the solution is to let each woman decide for herself and her pregnancy.

Frankly you can't.
Women have been having abortions; legal or not; for thousands of years. You cannot stop it. "enforcement" is a fancy word for control; again it cannot be done. YOu'd have to destroy every plant that can be used as an abortive and its quite a list!! Imprison thousands of doctors (so easy to replace with their educational requirements) and millions of women.. enforcement cannot be done.
Sure you may scare off a few but women will still find a method. I'd prefer it was a safe method conducted by a licencesed phyisician myself rather then a coat hanger; potion; pill overdose or danger chemical ingested.

well homicide definately shouldnt and couldnt be up to the individual! how would taht work? lol
everyone would be going around killing people
homicide and abortion are two different things, no matter who thinks what and how its percieved

sure por life people call it homicide because its an easy excuse to say "well thats not right. your a murderer"
when ifact how are you murdering when a fetus is not a BREATHING person...
im not saying abortion is right
im not saying its wrong
what i saying is that people should have their own choice to do what they want with THEIR BODIES...

Isn't this what it's all about though? Pro choice people think we can't enforce morality, and pro life people think we can.

I wish some pro life people would respond.

i know im waiting for it too lol

What is right and what is wrong has been defined ever since the word morality came to exist.

so whats right? and whats wrong? and what does morality mean toYOU?

Whats right and wrong really does not NEED morality.

We can look to what is best for the 'common good', and NOT look at morality, and still have law and order that we have today.

Then we have to ask what the original poster refer to what's or wrong.. means in what kind of topic?

yes but here is how morality is defined


Definitions of morality on the Web:

concern with the distinction between good and evil or right and wrong; right or good conduct
ethical motive: motivation based on ideas of right and wrong
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Morality is a system of principles and judgments based on cultural, religious, and philosophical concepts and beliefs, by which humans determine whether given actions are right or wrong. These concepts and beliefs are often generalized and codified by a culture or group, and thus serve to regulate the behaviour of its members. Conformity to such codification may also be called morality, and the group may depend on widespread conformity to such codes for its continued existence. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality

is, among other things, an emergent property, a high-level summary of complex low-level facts about how to get what one wants.
www.tcs.ac/FAQ/FAQShortGlossary.html

goodness according to a recognized code of conduct, as in: For their leader they chose a person of the highest morality

I absolutely don't believe that. Right and wrong are purely human constructs.

This is true. Everything is a human construct. The way one views a fertilized egg is a construct. A person can choose to view it as a baby or as a microscopic ball of chromosomes.

Unless you use a microscope, and then you see that it actually is one very large cell with half the chromosones of a normal human, until fertilized. Then, it's still visually a dividing clump of cells. Either way.

That was a good way to put it.

I think there is some truth in that...in a very general kind of way, there are certain contructs of nature that push certain moralistic kinds of decisions one way or the other.

Like, generally it is wrong to steal. But there are outlying circumstances that could change that view...and those outlying circumstances may be in place because the laws of nature have been violated in the first place.

I wonder if I'll get shot to piss for this, but abortion violates the same kind of spiritual law of nature that says, in general that it's wrong to steal. It's the outlying circumstances, such as poverty, that changes that law.

Of course, nature didn't count on people not wanting children, which is in whole a completely different construct.

Does anyone understand what I mean?