I have come to this site in search of
suggestions and input on back pain &
other symptoms that might possibly be
related to the condition of my spine. I
know this will be a long post, but I am in
serious need of help, PLEASE bear with me,
as I want to be as through as I can. I do
not expect a diagnosis; I know that is not
feasible. I have seen 2 orthopedic MDs
within the last 3 years, and an orthopedic
surgeon. They have no ‘treatment’
answers for me, just ‘live with it’
& ‘take pain medication as needed’
type answers. I would like to improve the
quality of my life, and feel that I am at
a point where I need to try and find
suggestions & maybe even answers on my
own, if possible. I also have GI &
Neuro symptoms that I am wondering about
being related to the spinal condition. I
am including here the reports for the
Cervical, Thoracic & Lumbar MRI’s I
have had done in the past year. I will
follow those with my history & more
info & questions, please read on.
The cerebellar tonsils terminate above the
foramen magnum. The spinal cord
demonstrates normal signal & caliber
throughout it’s visualized course. There
is straightening of normal lordotic
curvature. The vertebral body heights
& alignment is normal. The bone marrow
signal is normal throughout.
C2-3: No disc protrusion. Spinal canal
& neural foramina are normal.
C3-4: There is a small posterior disc
osteophyte complex. The spinal canal is
mildly narrowed to 8mm. There is mild
narrowing of the bilateral neural foramina
secondary to uncovertebral osteophtyes,
slightly more prominent on the left.
C4-5: Small broad posterior disc
osteophyte complex is present, which
narrows the spinal canal to 8mm. There is
mild narrowing of the bilateral neural
foramina secondary to uncovertebral
osteophtyes. Mild right neural foraminal
narrowing is present.
C5-6: Small broad posterior disc
osteophyte complex is present, which
narrows the spinal canal to 8mm. There is
moderate-to-severe left neural foraminal
stenosis uncovertebral osteophtyes. Mild
right neural foraminal narrowing is
present.
C6-7: Small posterior disc bulge is
present. The spinal canal is mildly
narrowed to 8mm. There is mild-to-moderate
left neural foraminal narrowing. The right
neural foramen remain normal caliber.
C7-T1: Disc, spinal canal, neural foramina
are normal.
The facet joints are unremarkable.
Congenitally short pedicles contribute to
multiple levels of spinal canal stenosis
as described above.
Impression:
1) Multiple levels of foraminal stenosis
as detailed above.
2) Multiple levels of mild spinal canal
stenosis secondary to small disc
osteophyte complexes and congenitally
short pedicles as described above.
MRI THORACIC SPINE WITHOUT CONTRAST
Technical data: Sagittal T1, sagittal T2,
Sagittal STIR, axial T1, and axial T2
FINDINGS: The vertebral body heights are
maintained. No compression deformity is
visualized. There is no evidence of bone
marrow infiltrating lesion. No edema is
visualized on the inversion recovery
weighted images. There is a small Schmoral
node involving the inferior endplate of
T7.
There is focal kyphosis of the thoracic
spine centered at T7-8. At this level,
there is a central disc protrusion/disc
osteophyte complex measuring approximately
4mm in AP dimension. This causes moderate
spinal stenosis with the AP dimension of
the spinal canal measuring approximately
5-6 mm. There is no neural foraminal
narrowing. The disc does abut the ventral
surface of the spinal cord at this level;
no abnormal signal intensity of the spinal
canal is seen.
At T6-7, there is a small, 2 mm right
paracentral disc protrusion. There is no
neural foramen narrowing or spinal canal
stenosis. The AP dimension of the spinal
canal measures approximately 8mm.
At T9-10, there is a 1 mm right
paracentral disc protrusion without
evidence of spinal stenosis or neural
foramen narrowing.
The remainder of the visualized thoracic
disc spaces appears unremarkable.
IMPRESSION:
Focal kyphosis at T7-8 with a broad-based
central disc protrusion causing moderate
spinal stenosis at this level. The focal
kyphosis causes a kink in the spinal cord
best visualized on the sagittal T2
weighted images. No abnormal signal
intensity of the spinal cord is present.
MRI LUMBAR SPINE WITHOUT CONTRAST
TECHNIQUE: T2 Sgittal, T1 sagittal, T1
axial, T2 axial, and STIR sagittal.
FINDINGS:
Conus medullaris terminates normally at
L1-2. Nerve roots are normally configured
within the thecal sac. There is normal
vertebral body height and alignment. The
bone marrow signal is normal throughout.
L5-S1: There is no significant disc
protrusion The spinal canal and neural
foramina are normal. There is severe
hypertrophic degenerative disease of the
facet joints bilaterally.
L4-5: Broad posterior disc protrusion is
present measuring 3-4mm. A periphery of
abnormal signal intensity represents a
small annular fissure. Moderate left
foraminal stenosis is seen. There is
mild-to-moderate right foraminal stenosis.
The spinal canal is narrowed to 7mm. Small
amount of CSF is maintained surrounding
the nerve roots. There is severe
hypertrophic degenerative disease of the
bilateral facet joints, which contributes
to the spinal canal stenosis.
Additionally, there is moderate left
lateral recess stenosis and mild right
lateral stenosis.
L3-4: No significant disc protrusion. The
neural foramina are of normal caliber.
There is mild narrowing of the spinal
canal to 8mm with CSF maintained
surrounding the nerve roots. Sever
bilateral hypertrophic degenerative disc
disease of the facet joints is present,
which contributes to the spinal canal
stenosis.
L2-3: Disc, spinal canal, neural foramina
are normal. There is severe facet
arthropathy.
L1-2: Disc, spinal canal, neural foramina
are normal. There is severe facet
arthropathy.
T12-L1: Minimal disc bulge is present. The
spinal canal and neural foramina are
normal.
IMPRESSION:
1) Mild degenerative disc disease, most
pronounced at L4-5 with protrusion and
annular fissure.
2) Bilateral neural foraminal narrowing
and lateral recess stenosis at L4-5.
3) Mild spinal canal stenosis at L3-4 and
L4-5
4) Severe facet arthopathy throughout the
lumbar spine.
HISTORY:
I have had long standing upper back pain
(about the level of my bra strap in the
back, and in between my shoulder blades) I
also have an area of decreased sensation
(numbness) on the left side of that same
area (mid back, left of spine, about
shoulder blade level & lower, covering
an area about the size of a large mans
hand) I have occasional sharp pains in and
around the spine in that area, but mainly
the pain is an intense ‘ache’ of the
upper back region. It increases with
activity that involves using my arms, such
as driving, folding laundry, washing
dishes etc. I can barely tolerate anything
that requires use of my arms and holding
weight combined, such as holding an infant
or child, even of newborn weight. I am not
positive of when the pain started,
possibly as much as 10 years or so ago,
and do not know if it was caused by an
injury at some point in my life. I was
doing heavy lifting at work when the
intensity & frequency of the pain
increased by a lot. (I no longer do heavy
lifting) Within the last 1-1.5 years it
has significantly increased to where it is
now a daily situation, especially if I am
active (like cleaning house, cooking,
driving etc.) I have also noticed (more
recently) pain in the sternum area, mostly
with a deep breath or certain movements.
It is a sharp pain that radiates along the
general sternum area, not just one
specific spot on the sternum. (it is
definitely in the middle of my ribs-
cardiac causes have been rule out so far)
I have occasional tingling on the bottom
of my right foot, literally right down the
middle of it.
TREATMENTS:
I have had 2 epidural injections in the
T7-8 area, with no pain/symptom relief. I
have tried a TENS unit & a muscle
stimulator of some sort that was to relax
the back muscles. Neither device offered
me any relief, and in fact the TENS unit
caused sharp pain where the nerves were
being stimulated, even when on low
intensity. It seems to have caused pain to
shoot into my arms & legs also, along
with tingling sensations. This tingling
lasted for a few months, even after I
discontinued using the units, so we do not
know for sure if the units were the real
cause of the tingling. The TENS unit
definitely caused the nerve pain. Because
of the ongoing tingling I was referred to
a neurologist. (more info below) PT was
also prescribed at some point, but the
physical therapist said after my first
evaluation that there was nothing she
could do for me. The orthopedic surgeon
said he did not feel I was a surgical
candidate (in regards to my thoracic pain,
which is what bothers me the most) unless
at some point I was to become paralyzed.
Since I would resist surgery until I was
100% sure all other options had been
exhausted, I was ok with this. But really
feel I deserve to know what my other
options are, if any!!
OTHER INFO:
I have had 4 years of GI problems. Main
issue is regurgitation of food, without
heartburn. Basically, after I eat, food
will come back up into throat &
sometime mouth, starting about 30 minutes
after I eat & continuing for an hour
or two afterwards. I am being followed by
a GI, and have had upper endoscopy. They
don’t know what is causing these
symptoms. I only mention it here because I
am wondering if it could be related to the
trouble with my back in ANY WAY. I have
read that sometimes problems with one’s
spine can cause other systemic issues,
like heart, GI etc. problems. I don’t
know if this is true, and would like to
know.
I was referred to a neurologist due to the
tingling in my hands & feet that
started after I began using the TENS unit.
A nerve conduction study & EMG were
essentially normal. The tingling improved
after a few months, and all that I have
now of it is the occasional tingling in
the middle, bottom, of my right foot, as
described above. I also have some
neurological deficits, diagnosed within
the past year. These include ocular
dysmetria, inability to tandem walk &
positive romburg sign. I seem to stumble
easily & feel unbalanced often. The
neurologist first suspected MS, based on
the above and my history of tingling in
hands/feet. A brain MRI was negative at
the time. Currently he suspects mild,
beginning ataxia, as my half brother &
half sister on my mothers side BOTH have
Spinocerebellar ataxia. They were
symptomatic in their 30’s &
diagnosed in their early 40’s. They are
20 & 16 years older than me,
respectively. Again, I only mention this
here as I am wondering if the above
neurological symptoms could be related to
the condition of my spine. I realize it
may seem more like it will be MS or
ataxia, but I would still like to know if
there is much of a chance that these neuro
findings could be related to the condition
of my spine instead of being ataxia/MS
signs.
THANK YOU in advance for reading this post
& offering any input & suggestions
you can!!!
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yogahoneybunny
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Posted: 09-13-07 05:48am
Are you in enough pain to consider
LIFESTYLE changes such as eating and
exercising habits? What's your current
daily schedule look like?
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SeekingAnswersInOC
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Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 6
Posted: 09-13-07 06:34am
I am in the process of losing weight. It
is a slow process, but I actually prefer
it that way. I work F/T nights. I am a mom
of 3. I am very active. I have tried
pilates & yoga. I have balance
trouble, and yoga was not as practical
Can't afford a
personal trainer or one on one instructor,
so DVD's is all I had. I do go to a gym as
much as I can. Which varies from often to
not so often LOL As for eating, so long as
it is quick, simple & inexpensive to
make, I am in! And I love vegetables!
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yogahoneybunny
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Posted: 09-13-07 07:05am
Dear OC,
I feel for you. Working F/T nights is no
easy gig...with or without kids! Listen,
I think that there's not going to be an
"magic cure". Often, I believe that pain
and discomfort manifest as products of
emotional imbalance. I've seen this in my
own life. But I can only encourage you to
start something and continue it...it seems
that you've tried many things, but
mastered none. I'd suggest you pick one
modality and pursue it to the end. And I
am a believer in rhythm. It must be hard
to coordinate so many things in your life,
but you've got to work on your health
regularly. And this is the challenge.
Good luck, and let me know if I can help
or support you more.
-Yoga
P.S. there are FREE daily downloads of
yoga at yogatoday.com ... excellent
teachers and varying levels.
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SeekingAnswersInOC
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Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 6
Posted: 09-13-07 07:13am
Thank you for the kinds words. I
understand what you are saying about
rhythm. I am not seeking a magic cure.
Never have, never would. I know it is a
long haul Was just wondering
if reaching out online might help me
connect with others who have same/similar
situations (thoracic pain in specific).
Figured there was no harm in trying.
Sometimes networking with others is the
best way to get an answer.
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yogahoneybunny
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Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 888 Location: Strumica, Macedonia