So recently a senator went to a
Minneapolis airport bathroom where it was
told that he would be able to solicit a
man for gay sex. So he went there are did
so, but the man he solicited was actually
an undercover policeman. This senator
claims that he is not gay, by the way. He
also claims that it was just an isolated
incident.
If it was an isolated incident, how did he
know enough to go there to a particular
bathroom in the Minneapolis airport where
the local authorities knew enough about
the fact that this type of activity had
been going on?
( how would you like to have to be THAT
cop?
)
So, alhtough public lewdness is in deed a
crime, i don't place as much importance on
this as, say, lying to the country to get
involved in an oil war. But this man is
going to be publicly humiliated by his
republican bretheren and run out of town.
SO here's a few points to consider:
1. WHY are men having sex in airport
bathrooms with one another and then living
a life outside that campaigns against the
rights of homosexuals?
2. WHY is his crime worse than the other
very obvious abuses of congressional,
senatorial, and presedential power which
are being orchestrated and carried out
DAILY?
3. HOW can this man claim now to not be
gay?
Anyone remember the case of James Dobson?
Ultra right wing conservaitive evangelical
church leader of the focus on the family
movement in colorado springs, CO? He not
only requested a male prostitute to come
to his home to rpovide him with his
services, he also requested that he bring
along a little gift package of crystal
meth. Funny thing, he's still welcomed by
that same church which condemns homosexual
behavior. You know why? He REPENTED AND
SAID, OK I AM CURED! I AINT GAY NO MORE!
Is this OK? Can he have been "cured"?
OPinions?
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I don't understand sex in a public
restroom at all. That's beyond disgusting,
whether you're gay or straight. Even if
they're spotless, they're crawling with
germs from who knows how many dozens
(hundreds?) of people. Just, eww.
As far as him claiming not to be gay, I
think a number of men are so programmed to
think that gay = bad, that they have to
justify it to themselves somehow. "I'm not
gay, it's just sex." "If it's just oral,
it's not really sex, which means it isn't
really gay." "I'm not in love with the
guy, I just like sex, so that means I'm
not gay." And so on. I'm not sure about
this senator though... maybe he's just
trying to save face by lying.
I personally don't feel there's anything
wrong with homosexuality. I just wish we
lived in a more tolerant world where
people wouldn't have to lie to themselves
and others.
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Posted: 09-04-07 17:43pm
I think it's unacceptance is why it
happens in places like restrooms and
parks. there's a really interesting book,
called the Tea Room Trade (I can't remeber
who wrote it ) and it's not new, it's
pretty old but it talks about the social
implications of a generally homophobic
society. Pretty good reading.
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I don't really understand what the crime
is...what is he charged with? I mean, he
can't be charged with public indecency b/c
he didn't do anything yet, right?
I'm not really on the up and up with this
mess.
To me, this stuff is entrapment, thought
crime, and then on top of it, what
consenting adults do with their sexuality
isn't my concern (unless it's in a public
bathroom and I walk in on it. Then I
reserve the right to giggle and make loud
comments.)
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That's not something I'd want my young son
to walk in on, though. I
kind of wish they'd get a hotel room or
jump into a car with tinted windows, like
other frisky horny people do. What's sexy
about a filthy restroom?
(apart from voyeurism I guess...)
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Is this a 'cottaging' situation, or was
there supposed to be actual sex involved?
(This thread title makes me laugh so hard
for some reason, by the way. )
To answer your questions:
1) Repression and self-hatred. Eventually
they temporarily snap from living a lie
and go have anonymous gay sex in public
toilets. Then they go right back to
repressing it and hating themselves for
their deviant urges. And the cycle goes
on.
2) EW ICKY GAY PEOPLE OH NO THEY'RE HAVING
SEX ON TOP OF THE FLAG AMERICA IS DOOMED
OH GOD A NUCLEAR FAMILY JUST BURST INTO
FLAMES
3) Panic, repression and self-hatred. Or
maybe he's bi.
Being gay isn't something that can be
cured. It'd be like having therapy to
destroy your love of classic cars and rock
music- it's a characteristic, not a
disease. As long as you're healthy and
happy and don't hurt the people around
you, why get rid of one of the things that
make you what you are? Oh, wait. The guy
in the dress said so.
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Posted: 09-05-07 12:51pm
Would there have been so much outrage if
he was meeting a woman in the bathroom for
some nookie?
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Posted: 09-05-07 17:51pm
1. Why? I have no idea, really. Just as
others have said, public restrooms are
disgusting... I don't even like stepping
into one, whether I'm using it or not. How
anyone could do a horizontal tango in one,
I don't know.
What I do know though is that, with the
harsh rejection of homosexuality in
America (especially among people of power
and in government), homosexuals are often
unable to express themselves and their
sexuality in a healthy, normal way.
They're pushed to hide it, and
sometimes... I suppose that need comes out
in strange ways and places...(?)
2. Because it's sensational, and gives
people a reason to throw stones and
distract the general public from the REAL
dirt. Plus, people eat this sort of stuff
up, while even entertaining the idea that
the president is doing something wrong
makes them uncomfortable.
Sad world we live in, that.
3. People have ways of deluding
themselves... and I suppose he thought he
could delude others as well. I have no
idea...
(And I DON'T think someone can be "cured"
of homosexuality. Many Christian
homosexuals tend to "ignore" their
preferences, and "repent" for them, but at
the end of the day, all they're doing is
ignoring a fundamental truth about
themselves. At least, that's my two cents
on it ;P.)
Georgia59
wrote:
Would there have been so
much outrage if he was meeting a woman in
the bathroom for some
nookie?
Y'know, that's something to consider; I
think most of the hype (though people
probably wouldn't admit it to others or
themselves) was over the "OMG GAY" factor
of it all.
If it had been a woman, it still would
have been a big deal, but I think the
homosexuality involved stepped everything
up to a whole new level.
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Re: Gays In the Bathrooms Posted: 09-05-07 18:12pm
sillyakchick
wrote:
So recently a senator went
to a Minneapolis airport bathroom where it
was told that he would be able to solicit
a man for gay sex. So he went there are
did so, but the man he solicited was
actually an undercover policeman. This
senator claims that he is not gay, by the
way. He also claims that it was just an
isolated incident.
How do you know he went there knowing he'd
been told he could solicit gay sex? I've
not seen a single thing that says he knew
he could solicit sex.
sillyakchick
wrote:
If it was an isolated
incident, how did he know enough to go
there to a particular bathroom in the
Minneapolis airport where the local
authorities knew enough about the fact
that this type of activity had been going
on?
People talk? How do people seeking drugs
find drug dealers? It is along the same
lines. How do gay people find other gay
people?
( how would you like to have to be THAT
cop?
)
So, alhtough public lewdness is in deed a
crime, i don't place as much importance on
this as, say, lying to the country to get
involved in an oil war. But this man is
going to be publicly humiliated by his
republican bretheren and run out of town.
SO here's a few points to consider:
sillyakchick
wrote:
1. WHY are men having sex
in airport bathrooms with one another and
then living a life outside that campaigns
against the rights of
homosexuals?
This is shame. They were brought up one
way. All their friends believe one way
and, believe it or not, there is still a
stigma on homeosexuality.
sillyakchick
wrote:
2. WHY is his crime worse
than the other very obvious abuses of
congressional, senatorial, and
presedential power which are being
orchestrated and carried out DAILY?
I don't think anyone said his crime was
worse than anyone elses crime. He admitted
to his crime though.
sillyakchick
wrote:
3. HOW can this man claim
now to not be
gay?
Bi-sexual? Maybe he was just curious?
sillyakchick
wrote:
Anyone remember the case of
James Dobson? Ultra right wing
conservaitive evangelical church leader of
the focus on the family movement in
colorado springs, CO? He not only
requested a male prostitute to come to his
home to rpovide him with his services, he
also requested that he bring along a
little gift package of crystal meth.
Funny thing, he's still welcomed by that
same church which condemns homosexual
behavior. You know why? He REPENTED AND
SAID, OK I AM CURED! I AINT GAY NO MORE!
Is this OK? Can he have been "cured"?
OPinions?
How about Jimmy Swaggart? Or Tammy Faye
Baker's husband (cannot remember his
name)? The church is about 'forgiveness'
but I doubt people within the church TRULY
forgave him - they are putting up the
words that they forgave him because it is
the right thing to do.
No, you cannot be cured of teh gay.
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Posted: 09-05-07 18:42pm
Georgia59 wrote:
Would there have been so much outrage if
he was meeting a woman in the bathroom for
some nookie?
Interesting word and situation. I think
any public sexual activity is scrutinized
more than it used to be and gays seem to
be a major part of the arrests. Why does
it seems like lesbians are never caught
performing in public?
From what I've seen on this forum, plenty
of straight people are having public sex,
too, and not being caught. Maybe they stay
out of public bathrooms and parks and know
how to hide better.
I understand that the senator from Idaho
was caught in a known gay meeting place,
but was not exactly caught in the act. For
whatever reason, probably pressure from
his party, he pleaded guilty to a lesser
charge to make it all go away because he
is up for reelection.
Then a few days later, he realized what a
chump he was and came out with the "I'm
not gay" retraction. Apparently, he has
been dogged by gay rumors for years, so
most people don't know what to believe.
All this probably means he will be
reelected, even though he has managed to
alienate straights and gays alike.
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Posted: 09-05-07 21:34pm
1. I think people like this lie to
themselves. They are raised with that
sort of thinking for so long that they
can't shake it, even if they themselves
are experimenting with it personally. I
don't view this dude any different than
religious people who have premarital sex
or get divorces or use birth control.
Same idea.
2. Because it's butt sex and that bugs
most people.
3. He very well could not be gay and is
just bi-sexual or a little kinky. Who
knows.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 09-05-07 22:46pm
I think if lesbians were seen having sex
in public the guys would like it too much
and not complain.
Hell, I'd like it too much.... and I'm
straight as an arrow.....
But seriously, there is such a huge "you
have to be a good Christian boy"
phenomena- and anyone who defies that
(gay, pro-choice, etc.) is ridiculed.
:::::shaking head:::::::
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Posted: 09-05-07 22:49pm
Georgia59
wrote:
I think if lesbians were
seen having sex in public the guys would
like it too much and not complain.
Hell, I'd like it too much.... and I'm
straight as an arrow.....
But seriously, there is such a huge "you
have to be a good Christian boy"
phenomena- and anyone who defies that
(gay, pro-choice, etc.) is ridiculed.
:::::shaking
head:::::::
I don't know, I know some pretty manly
levsbians. HAHA! Now if they were hot...
maybe
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Posted: 09-06-07 09:44am
The thing that bothers me most with all of
this is the disgusting hypocrisy that it
represents.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 09-06-07 12:08pm
I think it would just be so much healthier
if he would just say, Yes I am gay!! So
what??
Unless he's married or something, I don't
really know the whole story.
"...According to Roll Call, the arresting
officer alleged that Craig lingered
outside a rest room stall where the
officer was sitting, then entered the
stall next door and blocked the door with
his luggage.
According to the arrest report cited by
Roll Call, Craig tapped his right foot,
which the officer said he recognized "as a
signal used by persons wishing to engage
in lewd conduct."
The report alleges Craig then touched the
officer's foot with his foot and the
senator "proceeded to swipe his hand under
the stall divider several times,"
according to Roll Call.
At that point, the officer said he put his
police identification down by the floor so
Craig could see it and informed the
senator that he was under arrest, before
any sexual contact took place..."
How is this not thought-crime? Can anyone
explain this to me?
I am really confused.
I understand why everyone is up in arms
about it b/c he has been traditionally
"anti-gay" in voting, and then here he
comes with this business, but I don't
understand how he can be charged with
disorderly conduct (Minnesota law defines
disorderly conduct as brawling, disturbing
a meeting or engaging in "offensive,
obscene, abusive, boisterous or noisy
conduct"-from the article) just from these
actions alone???
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Posted: 09-07-07 16:56pm
Maybe he expected it to get boisterous and
noisy.
I don't actually think they broke the law.
The thing is, if a man and a woman had sex
in a bathroom (which does happen) the most
a cop would do is bust them and tell them
to get a room. It has everything to do
with an anti-gay attitude.
Just a question- I don't remember much of
my high school law class, but how is this
not entrapment??
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Georgia59
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Posted: 09-07-07 17:08pm
Having been in that particular airport
quite often (and recently) I'm not
surprised that the cop had nothing better
to do.
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Posted: 09-07-07 20:15pm
Georgia59
wrote:
Maybe he expected it to get
boisterous and noisy.
I don't actually think they broke the law.
The thing is, if a man and a woman had sex
in a bathroom (which does happen) the most
a cop would do is bust them and tell them
to get a room. It has everything to do
with an anti-gay attitude.
Just a question- I don't remember much of
my high school law class, but how is this
not
entrapment??
I've always thought that sex stings, like
the stuff that Perverted Justice.com does
in conjunction with that TV show, was
classic entrapment. I guess they only get
charged with 'intent to...whatever'
because the person was actually overage
that they were in contact with.
Yeah, I agree that there certainly is a
grand anti-gay aspect to this whole deal.
(Personally, I think it's sweet that this
man who advocates against gay rights was
nailed. )
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Posted: 09-08-07 07:34am
I agree, Birch. I don't think he actually
committed a crime. However, it really
gets my goat that he's part of the whole
anti-gay rhetoric and then he comes up
with this! (it is sweet, though, isn't
it?)
)
I
kind of wish they'd get a hotel room or
jump into a car with tinted windows, like
other frisky horny people do. What's sexy
about a filthy restroom? 
)
)