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Verizon-y
on September 25th, 2007
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meblonde01 wrote:
Eiri wrote:
At 6 weeks you can't tell it is a "baby" developing O.o. Are you aware that at 6 weeks, the embryos of fish, pigs, humans, monkeys and chickens all look nearly identical!?

I can see a baby developing in both of these pictures.. 6 weeks and 10 weeks.. they may look like an Alien to you eiri But I think if you showed these pitures to a person they would tell you it is a delveloping baby! Fetus

6 weeks]

10 weeks


Why is the 6 week embryo so much bigger than the 10 week?

If you want facts, here they are:



majority of abortions are before week 8

Don't forget to look in the upper left hand corner of each picture to see the ACTUAL SIZE of the embryo.
8 week pregnant 6 week embryo



6 week pregnant 4 week embryo


(An embryo's age is 2 weeks younger than the length of pregnancy. Pregnancy is dated from your last period, and fertilization doesn't happen until 2 weeks after your last period. So an 8 week pregnant woman has a 6 week old embryo.)
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diamondsimone
replied on September 25th, 2007
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firsty if you read my first reply post and you if you have any kind of sense you would know that i dont agree with abortion when a women is raped. Secodly an embrio eventually turns into a baby so if you disagree why get an embrio removed just keep it there. Thats makes no sense huh? Yeah thats what i thought abortion is homicide i know raising kids is not easy if your not ready just kepp you legs closed please and this would never really be an issue i dont mean to sound cruel but i dont believe that homicide is the answer to anything
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diamondsimone
replied on September 25th, 2007
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i ment to say i dont believe that homicide is the answer this phone is jacked up
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Gu£st
replied on September 25th, 2007
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what I think when I hear "Abortion" what I see is the reaction of others, mostly its walls going up, their guts churning, them refusing to consider and a feeling of wanting the converstaion to go to some other topic, its not that they take either possition but they simply do not want to consider it because of what it might be and what they usually think it probably is. when I hear the word Abortion it is the reaction of others that I see.
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meblonde01
replied on September 25th, 2007
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Gu£st wrote:
what I think when I hear "Abortion" what I see is the reaction of others, mostly its walls going up, their guts churning, them refusing to consider and a feeling of wanting the converstaion to go to some other topic, its not that they take either possition but they simply do not want to consider it because of what it might be and what they usually think it probably is. when I hear the word Abortion it is the reaction of others that I see.


yep it's called the side step! lets say it isn't what it is..When in fact it is ~killing~ a developing human being.
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Tylanas
replied on September 25th, 2007
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meblonde01 wrote:
Eiri wrote:
At 6 weeks you can't tell it is a "baby" developing O.o. Are you aware that at 6 weeks, the embryos of fish, pigs, humans, monkeys and chickens all look nearly identical!?

I can see a baby developing in both of these pictures.. 6 weeks and 10 weeks.. they may look like an Alien to you eiri But I think if you showed these pitures to a person they would tell you it is a delveloping baby! Fetus

6 weeks

10 weeks

You'll notice that I said it looks like EVERY OTHER embryo out there, not an alien (this time).

My turn!!

From left: fish, salamander, turtle, chicken, pig, cow, rabbit, human (from Richardson and others, 1997)

Notice how row one is pretty much identical for all of the animals. In row two you get some deviation but the mammals (right side of the page) all look nearly identical, especially the rabbit and the human.
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Tylanas
replied on September 25th, 2007
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meblonde01 wrote:

yep it's called the side step! lets say it isn't what it is..When in fact it is ~killing~ a developing human being.

Well no duh. No one has ever denied that. Yes, it is developing and yes, it is human. Yep. We concur.

We also both concur that at this time in its development (6-12 weeks or whatever) that is has no rights. You've said so yourself. So, that's why abortion is legal. It has no rights. So it has no right to life.
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Jincks013
replied on September 25th, 2007
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AyaMiyaki wrote:
And why would a raped woman not be selfish for getting an abortion? She'd still be killing her child (as pro-life likes to word it).

So you think its okay to traumatize her with forced gestation knowing she may well hate the pregnancy and forever view the result of it as something abhorrant to her?
I'd never have guessed you hate women so much nor that you glorify rape and the continual mental and emotional rape of the woman involved.
I can see she means less then dirt to you; its all bout the zef; screw the woman... oppss; I forgot, that was done forcibly already you just want to ensure she has to relive it every day..
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Jincks013
replied on September 25th, 2007
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diamondsimone wrote:
firsty if you read my first reply post and you if you have any kind of sense you would know that i dont agree with abortion when a women is raped.

Really? And anyone would have gleaned this from your previous post how? I don't so osmosis with trolls.

diamondsimone wrote:
Secodly an embrio eventually turns into a baby so if you disagree why get an embrio removed just keep it there. Thats makes no sense huh? Yeah thats what i thought abortion is not a nice act i know raising kids is not easy if your not ready just kepp you legs closed please and this would never really be an issue i dont mean to sound cruel but i dont believe that not a nice act is the answer to anything


Good Grief!! Learn to spell .. I know trolls are reputed to be a bit cognitively challeged but embryo should be easy for a self appointed Pregnancy Protector..

I see you still haven't figured out that making a pregnancy requires both boys and girls; tsk.. no wonder you can't spell embryo right..
Your puny little "keep your legs closed" ancient arguement seems again to focus solely on the woman; so guys have free reign to spew sperm as much as they want and its ok-swell-dandy-fine to you?
Misogyny suits you.
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Tylanas
replied on September 25th, 2007
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diamondsimone wrote:
firsty if you read my first reply post and you if you have any kind of sense you would know that i dont agree with abortion when a women is raped.


Weird, I thought you did... so you agree with punishing all women. At least you're consistent. What about a 12 year old girl who was raped by her father? Her body isn't even physically capable of giving birth, she could die trying.

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Secodly an embrio eventually turns into a baby so if you disagree why get an embrio removed just keep it there.


Why? Because, you don't want the embryo there. If you don't want something in your body, you remove it.

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Thats makes no sense huh?


Actually, YOU make no sense.

"I don't want this cancer in me!"
"Well, why get rid of it then? Wait, and eventually you'll die and then it won't matter!"

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Yeah thats what i thought abortion is not a nice act


Murder and killing are two different things. You do not murder a fish when you get it ready to eat. You kill it. A man on death row is not murdered, he is killed.

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i know raising kids is not easy if your not ready just kepp you legs closed please and this would never really be an issue i dont mean to sound cruel


You don't. You sound young, brainwashed and misinformed - not cruel. You sound anti-woman, anti-choice and anti-freedom. You want to deny yourself the right to control your body? Go for it. Leave mine the heck alone. I will kill all the embryos I want, kthnx. Which is none actually. Most women don't "want" to need an abortion, but they know it is the best choice.

What about a woman who's fetus is severely deformed and will die a few hours after birth? What about the woman who will die if she remains pregnant? What about the fetus so deformed it can't be given birth to at all?

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but i dont believe that not a nice act is the answer to anything


I don't believe murder is the answer to anything either. Good thing abortion isn't murder.
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meblonde01
replied on September 26th, 2007
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Eiri wrote:
meblonde01 wrote:
Eiri wrote:
At 6 weeks you can't tell it is a "baby" developing O.o. Are you aware that at 6 weeks, the embryos of fish, pigs, humans, monkeys and chickens all look nearly identical!?

I can see a baby developing in both of these pictures.. 6 weeks and 10 weeks.. they may look like an Alien to you eiri But I think if you showed these pitures to a person they would tell you it is a delveloping baby! Fetus

6 weeks

10 weeks

You'll notice that I said it looks like EVERY OTHER embryo out there, not an alien (this time).

My turn!!

From left: fish, salamander, turtle, chicken, pig, cow, rabbit, human (from Richardson and others, 1997)

Notice how row one is pretty much identical for all of the animals. In row two you get some deviation but the mammals (right side of the page) all look nearly identical, especially the rabbit and the human.


Duh! sorry eiri, the human still look human to me over all the other animals..
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meblonde01
replied on September 26th, 2007
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Jincks013 wrote:
diamondsimone wrote:
firsty if you read my first reply post and you if you have any kind of sense you would know that i dont agree with abortion when a women is raped.

Really? And anyone would have gleaned this from your previous post how? I don't so osmosis with trolls.

diamondsimone wrote:
Secodly an embrio eventually turns into a baby so if you disagree why get an embrio removed just keep it there. Thats makes no sense huh? Yeah thats what i thought abortion is not a nice act i know raising kids is not easy if your not ready just kepp you legs closed please and this would never really be an issue i dont mean to sound cruel but i dont believe that not a nice act is the answer to anything


Good Grief!! Learn to spell .. I know trolls are reputed to be a bit cognitively challeged but embryo should be easy for a self appointed Pregnancy Protector..

I see you still haven't figured out that making a pregnancy requires both boys and girls; tsk.. no wonder you can't spell embryo right..
Your puny little "keep your legs closed" ancient arguement seems again to focus solely on the woman; so guys have free reign to spew sperm as much as they want and its ok-swell-dandy-fine to you?
Misogyny suits you.


Good grief!! Stop being so nasty this isn't a English class.. I don't think it says you have to spell everything right to post your opinion.
You obviously had no problem understanding what she was saying. Lighten up!
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Jincks013
replied on September 26th, 2007
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meblonde01 wrote:
Jincks013 wrote:
diamondsimone wrote:
firsty if you read my first reply post and you if you have any kind of sense you would know that i dont agree with abortion when a women is raped.

Really? And anyone would have gleaned this from your previous post how? I don't so osmosis with trolls.

diamondsimone wrote:
Secodly an embrio eventually turns into a baby so if you disagree why get an embrio removed just keep it there. Thats makes no sense huh? Yeah thats what i thought abortion is not a nice act i know raising kids is not easy if your not ready just kepp you legs closed please and this would never really be an issue i dont mean to sound cruel but i dont believe that not a nice act is the answer to anything


Good Grief!! Learn to spell .. I know trolls are reputed to be a bit cognitively challeged but embryo should be easy for a self appointed Pregnancy Protector..

I see you still haven't figured out that making a pregnancy requires both boys and girls; tsk.. no wonder you can't spell embryo right..
Your puny little "keep your legs closed" ancient arguement seems again to focus solely on the woman; so guys have free reign to spew sperm as much as they want and its ok-swell-dandy-fine to you?
Misogyny suits you.


Good grief!! Stop being so nasty this isn't a English class.. I don't think it says you have to spell everything right to post your opinion.
You obviously had no problem understanding what she was saying. Lighten up!


If you are pro-life and cannot even spell embryo correctly .... FFS how do you even know what you are talking about if you cannot even spell it correctly!
No this isn't english class but I'd like the pregnancy patrol might at least learn what they are actually protecting and I do not believe you for one minute you knew which one of those pictures were human!
I think you are not being intellectually honest.
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diamondsimone
replied on September 26th, 2007
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ohhh a bunch of wise crackers ehealth forums gangstas huh? hahaha im shaking in my boots. I have a joke for you what do pro choicers and a serial killer have in common?.... wait for it..... here we go..... they would both kill a human being damn dan cook has nothing on me im here writing this on my moto Q so please relax so i spelled a word wrong wow pro choicers will do anything to distract folks from the real issues so lets say you have changed my mind am i really supposed to accept the homicide of a child huh? So lets say i do accept the homicide of a person should i be happy that martin luther king jr. was shot dead i mean the constitution kinda says that black folks are not really whole people wait i should clarify that because a wise cracking pro choicer ( jincks) is going to quote the constitution and say slaves or something of thats nature. When did it become okay to call someone a troll because you dont agree with them just stop being a expletive get some midol and relax its just a forum not a bar fight
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diamondsimone
replied on September 26th, 2007
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and to all the folks having a problem reading my post im sorry that i dont have a computer my phone was very expensive lol and please do not think its just about women for me cuz its not men need to strap up to but how many women dont ask their partner do they want a baby or not women sometime dont even know who their babys father its not always a womans choice what about the babys fathers
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sillyakchick
replied on September 26th, 2007
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Dear mod-

Perhaps this thread has gone south?
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diamondsimone
replied on September 26th, 2007
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i think it has and im partially to blame thing happen and im sorry everybody i will be the better person and apoloize but if you read the history of this post i did not start this lol abortion is abortion there will be people who support it and people who dont thats just how the cookie crumbles once again i am sorry god bless america and no place else that was a joke maybe a bad one but you laughed
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Jincks013
replied on September 26th, 2007
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diamondsimone wrote:
ohhh a bunch of wise crackers ehealth forums gangstas huh? hahaha im shaking in my boots. I have a joke for you what do pro choicers and a serial killer have in common?.... wait for it..... here we go..... they would both kill a human being bless dan cook has nothing on me im here writing this on my moto Q so please relax so i spelled a word wrong wow pro choicers will do anything to distract folks from the real issues so lets say you have changed my mind am i really supposed to accept the not a nice act of a child huh? So lets say i do accept the not a nice act of a person should i be happy that martin luther king jr. was shot dead i mean the constitution kinda says that black folks are not really whole people wait i should clarify that because a wise cracking pro choicer ( jincks) is going to quote the constitution and say slaves or something of thats nature. When did it become okay to call someone a troll because you dont agree with them just stop being a expletive get some midol and relax its just a forum not a bar fight


If you just want to be catty I can recommend a web site I'll be happy to take you apart on found here alternately you could pretend you are adult..

As for the constitution.. brush up on your history dearie.. you might not have noticed that the "all men are created equal" was actually geared at the time to mean just that.. men.. not women, not minorities, not the native americans.. wealthy white men.
It is only later after minorities and women, and women got it after minority men you do realize right?, were granted the same rights as the men that the constitution actually came to be applicable to women to.
BTW.. no where in the constitution does it say anything about abortion rights.. just an FYI

Oh ya.. guess what? I get to have strong opinions while not on my period; you are a disgrace to women when you prate crap about 'midol' and glorify the misconception that a woman has to be menastruating if she doesn't agree with you and that m'dear IS trolling. so if the shoe fits..
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replied on September 30th, 2007
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diamondsimone wrote:
firsty if you read my first reply post and you if you have any kind of sense you would know that i dont agree with abortion when a women is raped.

I do wonder what the difference in z/e/f is that pro-lifers can see in a situation of rape as opposed to any other unplanned pregnancy

diamondsimone wrote:
Yeah thats what i thought abortion is not a nice act i know raising kids is not easy if your not ready just kepp you legs closed please and this would never really be an issue i dont mean to sound cruel but i dont believe that not a nice act is the answer to anything

It isn't murrder though, regardless of your opinion it is a fact that abortion has never been murrder even before it became legal to obtain an abortion.
And so only women who want children should be allowed to have sex? What about those who do not want children? Should they abstain for life just because they may have an unplanned pregnancy and abort (which will never affect anyone elses life, lets face it the day I had my abortion no-one else was affected or even aware of it now were they)
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replied on September 30th, 2007
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what I think when I hear "Abortion" what I see is the reaction of others, mostly its walls going up, their guts churning, them refusing to consider and a feeling of wanting the converstaion to go to some other topic, its not that they take either possition but they simply do not want to consider it because of what it might be and what they usually think it probably is. when I hear the word Abortion it is the reaction of others that I see.


Projection.
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