Strictly rationalizations, unsuccessully meant to demean this young ladies opinions as ignorant! Her simple wisdom trumps your silly play on semantics!

Awww.. poor Embarrassed.. you certainly are.

Perhaps you'd care to point out where this wisdom is there plato? in your cave perhaps?

#1- You're right, you couldn't force a woman to gestate. But that is the basis of the pro-life movement, that they don't want women to even have the choice of aborting regardless of her spiritual/moral beliefs.
#2- I do think it is important, since you have such strong opinions on the subject, that you make them known before you have sex with a woman. I would appreciate it if I was a woman in that situation. But I'm happy for you that you're engaged.
#3- This is true. But for the first nine months, it really is mommy only. You can't deny that. We have had this debate in a similar but different way- my suggestion is that since mommies can opt out of being pregnant (through abortion) daddies should have a period of time where they can opt out too, thus not be legally/financially responsible for a child if the mother decides to carry through with the pregnancy, to try and reconcile the fact that daddies don't seem to have a choice in the abortion issue. But I also think that's why it's important for you to tell women (before you sleep with them!) your views- so they can choose not to have sex with someone who would rather gestate.

Once again, many (I want to say most but I don't know the stats) abortions happen because of the failure of birth control, not because of frivolous sex! Do you consider any time you've had sex with a woman frivolous if you didn't follow up to make sure that she wasn't pregnant? I don't know about your sex life, so I don't really know the nature of your 'sexual escapades'. I just have a hard time when you make these judgments of women but not the men who slept with them- like you pointed out, there are two parties responsible for a pregnancy.

Sadly your ignorance & intolerance are glued on your craggled forehead! Yes, my cave is full of many simple yet wise artifacts.

LMAO.. you are ignorant!! Hint.. try putting philospher and plato into your browser there mr. wisdom..perhaps you might understand the reference sometime.
wisdom involves:

seeing things clearly; seeing things as they are (not usually a 17 yr olds forte)
acting in prudent and effective ways (teenagers do this? when did that start?)
acting with the well-being of the whole in mind (indulging in prejudice does not in fact demonstraite this)
deeply understanding the human/cosmic situation (again.. teenagers do this when?)
knowing when to act and when not to act (this is why its called learning years)
being able to handle whatever arises with peace of mind and an effective, compassionate, holistic response (judgementalism doesn't qualify here)
being able to anticipate potential problems and avoid them ( again.. a learning process)

PWN'D by logic and actual wisdom embarrassed philosopher..

Good luck in your philosophical studies. I suggest starting at the 100's level classes with the other young and unfinished minds. I think once you have been versed with the wisdom of the ages your opinion on abortion will be forever changed!

*chuckles* you so don't get it do you cave man? Hint: Allagory of a cave.. you fail to grasp the significance of the epistimology in relation to your obession with hitlarian control tactics on women.

Your misuse of the English language is only impressive to you. Self-importance is a key ingredient to the willingness to have a frivolous abortion.

Having an abortion does not cause future medical problems. Googling something is not guarenteed to give accurate information now is it, going through an abortion, being told the possible risks is on the other hand.
Even if a woman gets an infection following a termination if it is treated it is unlikely to cause any future problems.
Some women of course are unlucky - as with any medical procedure - and will have some complications.

I urge you to perhaps speak to Cairfairy (who works in the area) if this really is your view.

Sorry to break this to you but you can't insist someone carries a pregnancy - yours or not. It's up to the woman, sure men should have an input but until it is their body carrying the pregnancy they have no rights (and this has been challenged and remains the same)

Back to the cave plato.. this is fun.. circular logic is better then a merry go round sometimes except I don't get motion sick. Its ok to admit you haven't a basic education on the general epistimologies involved. Try reading it sometime. It might help you.

I propose a drinking game.. every time Embarrassed says "frivolous" drink..

come on jincks and embarrassed this is a forum not a contest about who knows bigger words because i would surley lose lol and jincks i have noticed that you turn abortion debates into full blown catfights do you kiss ya mama with that mouth

Moo, I WOULD insist she carry the child. Now of course she could still abort the child, since I am not interested in caging her for 9 months and force-feeding her. Among other consequences, she would be unmarriable to me after the procedure.

Drinking games are reserved for irresponsible children and lead to drinking and driving deaths. Not something we should encourage the young folks on this forum to be doing. Use your brain!

And how exactly do you plan on enforcing this insistence that she abuse her body?

I'm pretty sure that if we're all on the computer reading your nonsense, that we're already at home and have no need to drive anywhere. Use your brain!

YOU are unmarriagable because you tried to FORCE her to do something which violates her personal rights. After you INSISTED she keep the baby, you would be unmarriagable to her. Not a very good threat there buddy.

Are you on crack? Because that's about the only way I can comprehend facts suddenly becoming ignorant and opinions becoming supreme truth.

I do not THREATEN or FORCE women to do things, those are you words, once again. Do you feel threatened? Why? I thought you "Hated me" why are you calling me "Buddy" now?

Most drinking occurs inside 4 walls, it is only later that a person gets behind the wheel and kills someone. I think it is irresponible to encourage the young people of the board to play drinking games. Apparrently you place a little less value on life than I do, but we knew that already.