Why was it called baby dot? How far along was she?

Ok. I'll spell this out Anniek..consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Why is the woman alway the 'bad' person in your little scenes? Have you actually looked up the adoption statistics to see how many adoption are done? How many babies are left afterward? unadopted and aging out of the fostercare system?
Have you done the least bit of research rather then play pity party grand bash?

Birth control doesn't always work. Surgical sterilization doesn't always work. IF you got pregnant and CHOSE to stay that way that was your Choice and I am glad you exercised it but denying Choice to others is pure hypocrisy for you right now.

If a fertilized egg is a person, then that egg is responsible for making the woman pregnant against her will. The egg would be comparable to a mentally challenged person, and a woman is still able to use lethal force against a mentally challenged person who is invading her body.

Well Future- here is where I definitely disagree with you. I think a mentally challenged person has a lot more rights than a fertilized egg, or even a fetus. They, to me, are a person- but a fetus isn't.

Ohmigod, like, babies are like, so cute and and even though they like, may make it, like, harder you can still totally do whatever you want in life because you don't, like, have to sacrifice anything when you have a baby and aren't they all like, adorable and Pampers are free at the Freestore and it's like, so easy to get on WIC that 17 year old everywhere should have babies!!!! And like, duh, it's totally you're responsibility to have kids for couples who can't, so like, don't be so selfish and keep your legs together unless, like, you want to be a mommy! *tosses hair and rolls eyes*

Someone needs to lock this topic. I'm sick of embarrassed's insults.

Getting back to the original question, I see a woman proudly struting out of the "Clinic" as if she has done her good deed for the day, while something often more promising is literally bagged up and tossed in the trash can! Shame!

After a brief period of sub-par function, after an acute illness, I am fully charged again. Thank goodness! There is no abortion qualification for bedding down with a woman. Only for a serious marital prospect, of which I already have one picked (No previous abortions)!

This is a good topic and I don't want to lock it but I will be forced to if certain people can't debate maturely.

Please, no personal insults.

Shows what you know then. Actually what I saw and did was having a ride home because my body was still in enough discomfort and I was woozy from the valium that driving was a remarkably bad idea.
You are attempting to deliberately instill a image here that is unrealistic. No one bounces out of the clinic; most are pale, light headed, dizzy; some require further medical treatment; it is muchly the same as right after birth and you don't see womens getting right up from delivery and jouncing out of the hospital newborn in hand.

Frankly your attempts to demonize women like me are coming across as desperately trying to justify yourself and portraying false images while giving deliberately misleading information which is often thinly disguised insults.
I am not a demon; those don't exist in my belief patterns; I am a woman, a mother who had a pregnancy occure, which using bc methods, that was not good for my body so I opted to abort it.
You can call me any number of names but as I told my daughter about nasty gossip and the gossipers: if it isn't true don't worry about it. Ignore those who evalate their own esteem by saying nasty things about others.

You choose to belive women simply bounce off the table and go shopping but the reality is far different. Perhaps if you actually looked up real information instead of indulging in broadbased emotionalization of propaganda I might take you more seriously.
I do not see any 'debate' happening here. Debate needs to be based in fact and I see little of that from you.

I don't think a fertilized egg is a person either. That's why I said "If..."

At least he's honest. Here lies what really bothers him, and also the majority of pro-lifers. It's not the abortion, it's the actions or supposed actions of the woman, before and after (apparently) the abortion.

Does insulting an entire gender count as a personal insult? If so, why is embarassed still here?

We were at a ultra sound because at the time my sister in law was keeping the baby and asked us to go a long. About 2-3 weeks later the guy broke up with her and she had the abortion. We were very upset because she knew we would take the baby if she thought she couldn't take care of it or help her with adoption. The father has gone in to depression because he had no say in what she did when it came to the baby. I understand it is hard on women and i'm not saying it's the womens falt the men are as much as fault. You chose to have sex and your not married or in a relationship that you are comfortable with to accept what happens that's great but you can't tell me that was just a ball of blood I saw and heard that heart! I'm not sure why my son called it baby dot that is just something he came up with. When she had the abortion we think she was about 11 weeks. And I don understand the abortions for reasons of health and other things like rape. But for people who it just doesn't fit in their life right then I don't

1. The guy really has no reason to be depressed. He broke up with her, what, did he expect to be allowed into the child's life if it was born? I wouldn't have let him.

2. If I'd been in her situation, I wouldn't have wanted to impose on anyone and I certainly wouldn't have wanted my child raised by someone else - especially other family members.

3. What you see will vary greatly depending on the time of abortion. Did you actually see what came out of her body, were you in the room with her? If not, you don't actually know what the abortion looked like.

4. I can understand YOU are upset... is your sister in law upset? It was her choice. If she's fine with it, then it was the right choice. I can understand abortion is not the right decision for you.

I see what you're getting at.

Why did she have an ultrasound?

Many doctors do ultrasounds as routine to see how far along you are at the first prenatal visit. I had my first ultrasound then.
You can see the heart beating early, but I'm not sure as about how far along before you can actually hear it.
The thread is about what YOU picture when you hear "abortion," so don't judge someone's opinion that they "see" a ball of blood. (directing that last statement at anniek)

Good. I am trying to point out to them that whether a zef is considered part of our bodies or as persons in their own right, does not matter. Abortion will be legal either way. (And I'm spelling this out for those who did not get what I was getting at. )

If it is a part of our bodies, a third party/government cannot dctate what we do with our own bodies.

If it is it's own separate person, it does not have the right to invade our bodies against our wills and take our bodily resources. No born person has that right.

That is good...I am glad. (I am being sincere. I would like to know what illness caused that, but I'm not sure this is the appropriate forum to ask in. However, if you wish to respond...go right ahead. )

In other news, you relentlessly pound this marriage thing around like you're trying to prepare dough with it. It's pretty obvious that you're doing this to rile things up, and quite effectively, I might add, since Eiri is utterly incapable of not taking things personally.

Trolling does make for good reading.

Carry on.



Hey future, in a previous thread, embarrassed finally did come to the realization that since he is more forgiving of abortion if a woman was raped, that it is not so much about the fetus but about the woman and her actions.