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Q: Definition of Abortion
asked by: Verizon-y on August 30th, 2007
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I find it interesting that the actual definition of abortion is this:

"medical termination of a pregnancy before the fetus has developed enough to survive outside the uterus."

Most definitions I've read say this or something almost exactly the same. Can anyone see the confusing part?

P.S. It has to do with late term abortions.
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young Girl
replied on August 30th, 2007
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Re: Definition of Abortion
futureshock wrote:
I find it interesting that the actual definition of abortion is this:

"medical termination of a pregnancy before the fetus has developed enough to survive outside the uterus."

Most definitions I've read say this or something almost exactly the same. Can anyone see the confusing part?

P.S. It has to do with late term abortions.


yes abortions are not preformed past a certain stage of the fetus unless its an illigal abortion
they would not preform an abortion on a woman who was 30 weeks pregnant
i dont see the confusing part at all?
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Carifairy
replied on August 30th, 2007
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If there were fetal deformities, they can and do make exceptions for termination of a pregnancy at 30 weeks.

You cannot have one 'just because' though, because you need a 'referral' for a later term abortion.
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milletics
replied on August 30th, 2007
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Re: Definition of Abortion
the_girlfreind wrote:
futureshock wrote:
I find it interesting that the actual definition of abortion is this:

"medical termination of a pregnancy before the fetus has developed enough to survive outside the uterus."

Most definitions I've read say this or something almost exactly the same. Can anyone see the confusing part?

P.S. It has to do with late term abortions.


yes abortions are not preformed past a certain stage of the fetus unless its an illigal abortion
they would not preform an abortion on a woman who was 30 weeks pregnant
i dont see the confusing part at all?


Ever hear of George Tiller? Do a search of him. Very late term abortions is all he does. He is a sick sick man.
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AyaMiyaki
replied on August 30th, 2007
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Dr. Tiller's Website wrote:
At Women's Health Care Services, we specialize in "late" abortion care. We are able to perform elective abortions to the time in the pregnancy when the fetus is viable. Viability is not a set point in time. Viability is determined by the attending physician and is based on sonogram results, physical examination and last menstrual period date (if known). Our telephone counselors will ask you a number of medical questions to determine if you are eligible for an elective abortion. If you have visited another clinic or physician, we will ask for the results from a recent ultrasound.

Kansas law allows for post-viability abortion procedures when continuing the pregnancy is detrimental to the pregnant woman's health. Each person's circumstances are reviewed on a case-by-base basis. Please call so that we can discuss admission criteria with you.


http://www.drtiller.com/

He does late abortions if the fetus is deformed or if the mother's life is in danger. It's not for fun or giggles. Saving the mother's life makes him sick?
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young Girl
replied on August 30th, 2007
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Re: Definition of Abortion
milletics wrote:
the_girlfreind wrote:
futureshock wrote:
I find it interesting that the actual definition of abortion is this:

"medical termination of a pregnancy before the fetus has developed enough to survive outside the uterus."

Most definitions I've read say this or something almost exactly the same. Can anyone see the confusing part?

P.S. It has to do with late term abortions.


yes abortions are not preformed past a certain stage of the fetus unless its an illigal abortion
they would not preform an abortion on a woman who was 30 weeks pregnant
i dont see the confusing part at all?


Ever hear of George Tiller? Do a search of him. Very late term abortions is all he does. He is a sick sick man.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tiller

youre right
thats creepy
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stacybaby
replied on August 30th, 2007
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doctors do late abortions if its absolutely neccesary.... ie after 30 weeks etc, we found out at 30 weeks that something was def going to be wrong with our baby and were told that terminating was a big option to us....

we could not do that to our baby
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young Girl
replied on August 30th, 2007
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i thought only abortions past 26 weeks could be done if they were medical abortions and there was a problem with the baby or the mother was at risk?
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stacybaby
replied on August 30th, 2007
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i dont know how they would do it or anything like that all i know is that we were offered to terminate because of a prob with the baby.. i was shocked that at 30 weeks the doctor would even suggest it especially when they dont know 100% whats wrong
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young Girl
replied on August 30th, 2007
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stacybaby wrote:
i dont know how they would do it or anything like that all i know is that we were offered to terminate because of a prob with the baby.. i was shocked that at 30 weeks the doctor would even suggest it especially when they dont know 100% whats wrong


yeah Sad
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sillyakchick
replied on August 30th, 2007
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stacybaby wrote:
i dont know how they would do it or anything like that all i know is that we were offered to terminate because of a prob with the baby.. i was shocked that at 30 weeks the doctor would even suggest it especially when they dont know 100% whats wrong


How are you doing? Did you find out any more information? I keep thinking about you.
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Verizon-y
replied on August 30th, 2007
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But, the definition of abortion means that terminating a pregnancy after vialility is not abortion.
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Carifairy
replied on August 30th, 2007
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Because abortions at 24 weeks are most often done for fetal deformity, these were wanted pregnancies that went terribly wrong.

THIS is how they terminate those pregnancies.

They inject digoxin into the fetal heart to euthanize the fetus, THEN they induce labor with pitocin, much like with induction due to an overdue baby.

The baby is born, but it would be a stillbirth.
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amethyst eyes
replied on August 30th, 2007
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It is abortion. The definition needs to re-written obviously. And I think it was also pointed out that Dr. Miller performs every abortion on a case by case standard and goes by the law of the state in that every person mus have a valid reason proving that continuing with the pregnancy will be detrimental to the woman's health.

If you want to be part of a debate please do not pick and choose which arguments you will respond to. Read and respond to valid arguments if you want to seem credible.
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Moo
replied on August 30th, 2007
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abortion is legal from after 24 weeks to birth (here) if there is maternal health or foetal abnormality problems - it is still an abortion. This is the legal stance, definitions change between person/dictionary/reference but a termination at 30 weeks is still an abortion.
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Tylanas
replied on August 30th, 2007
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Re: Definition of Abortion
futureshock wrote:
I find it interesting that the actual definition of abortion is this:

"medical termination of a pregnancy before the fetus has developed enough to survive outside the uterus."

Most definitions I've read say this or something almost exactly the same. Can anyone see the confusing part?

P.S. It has to do with late term abortions.


True; although that may be the definition of a "lawful" abortion, it's clearly not the correct definition for abortion in general. Consider too that miscarriage counts as a natural abortion.
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stacybaby
replied on August 31st, 2007
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Carifairy wrote:
Because abortions at 24 weeks are most often done for fetal deformity, these were wanted pregnancies that went terribly wrong.

THIS is how they terminate those pregnancies.

They inject digoxin into the fetal heart to euthanize the fetus, THEN they induce labor with pitocin, much like with induction due to an overdue baby.

The baby is born, but it would be a stillbirth.


geee whizzz i didnt realise thats how it would be dont to late terminations
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Verizon-y
replied on August 31st, 2007
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Re: Definition of Abortion
Eiri wrote:
futureshock wrote:
I find it interesting that the actual definition of abortion is this:

"medical termination of a pregnancy before the fetus has developed enough to survive outside the uterus."

Most definitions I've read say this or something almost exactly the same. Can anyone see the confusing part?

P.S. It has to do with late term abortions.


True; although that may be the definition of a "lawful" abortion, it's clearly not the correct definition for abortion in general. Consider too that miscarriage counts as a natural abortion.


Yes, you are correct. But miscarriage carries the exact same definition as abortion, in terms of the timing. A miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion, and a spontaneous abortion is a non-medical ending (like nature caused it or some other non-purposeful reason) of a pregnancy before viability. After that is is a premature birth.
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Jincks013
replied on September 2nd, 2007
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*sighs* Do I really need to repost the links to a web site showing the kinds of fetal abnormalities which would be subject to post viability abortion??
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Verizon-y
replied on September 2nd, 2007
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Probably would open a few eyes/minds.
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