Jules
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Abortion of Multiples.
Posted: 08-22-07 14:19pm
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When reading abortion stories, I have come
across women saying that when they were
told they were carrying twins/triplets,
they were asked if they'd like to
reconsider.
Hypothetically, if you were considering an
elective abortion and you were told it was
multiples, would it alter your decision?
Is aborting more than one somehow worse
than just aborting a single?
I'd be interested to hear your opinions.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-22-07 14:27pm
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It's a sticky situation. Many times when
women go in for and abortion, they're
telling themselves "I will only do this
once" or "I hope this is the only time I
ever have to do this!" you know? When the
female is presented with multiples,
suddenly it sort of becomes "two"
abortions instead of just one.
I know it would make a difference for me,
since I wouldn't be pleased at having to
get an abortion in the first place.
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Anne123
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Posted: 08-22-07 14:57pm
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I don't think multiple is somehow worse
than single, but I read this as presenting
it as a wanted pregnancy.... maybe I'm
wrong.
So, if a wanted pregnancy ends up being
multiple... then I personally/morally
would not consider abortion an option -
because I wanted to conceive a child.
(Hypothetically) when I (or the woman in
question) chose to try to conceive, I also
accepted the possibility that it could be
multiple. I could not abort a wanted
pregnancy unless my health was at serious
risk.
So that's my personal perspective. On to
my legal/social perspective. I don't know
her circumstances and it is entirely her
decision.
Women also have the option of selective
abortion - where 1 of a set of twins is
aborted. Also something I personally
could never morally do when it is a WANTED
pregnancy.
If it is an UNWANTED pregnancy and I was
told it was multiples I don't think it
would alter my decision in any way, no.
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Jude-Love
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Posted: 08-22-07 17:46pm
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I don't think it being mulitples makes a
difference. Especially in the situation
where the woman was considering abortion
before she knew that information. If you
don't want one baby, you definitely don't
want two!
I might consider abortion if I were having
multiples because I seriously do not want
multiples and I would selectively abort if
I chose that route. However, my husband
might not go for that because he thinks
twins would be great! Actually twins,
wouldn't be such a big thing, I guess.
Anything more though, I absolutely would
not do.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-22-07 17:54pm
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| Jude-Love
wrote: | I don't think it being
mulitples makes a difference. Especially
in the situation where the woman was
considering abortion before she knew that
information. If you don't want one baby,
you definitely don't want two!
I might consider abortion if I were having
multiples because I seriously do not want
multiples and I would selectively abort if
I chose that route. However, my husband
might not go for that because he thinks
twins would be great! Actually twins,
wouldn't be such a big thing, I guess.
Anything more though, I absolutely would
not do. |
Is selective abortion where they only
remove one or two of the embryos and leave
the others? Mothers who go through invitro
have done this so I've heard. I personally
couldn't do it, but it's not my place to
tell others no.
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Jules
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Posted: 08-23-07 00:06am
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Yeah, I've got to say that I find
selective abortion rather distasteful,
especially when it's for no other reason
than 'I just don't want more than one'. I
can only imagine how overwhelming it must
be to be faced with a multiple pregnancy,
especially if you already have a child or
children, but to selectively abort, to me,
would feel like the equivilent of picking
lobster out of a tank in a restaurant.
Saying that, I can see how to a
pro-choicer there is no difference between
an elective abortion of a single or a
selective abortion.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-23-07 01:08am
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| Jules
wrote: | Yeah, I've got to say that I
find selective abortion rather
distasteful, especially when it's for no
other reason than 'I just don't want more
than one'. I can only imagine how
overwhelming it must be to be faced with a
multiple pregnancy, especially if you
already have a child or children, but to
selectively abort, to me, would feel like
the equivilent of picking lobster out of a
tank in a restaurant.
Saying that, I can see how to a
pro-choicer there is no difference between
an elective abortion of a single or a
selective
abortion. |
Yeah. I personally couldn't do it and
wouldn't want to; and I don't think it's
right for women who are purposely
implanting several embryos into their
uterus hoping for one, to abort the
extras. But that's just me, and I'm not
going to stop someone from doing it.
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Posted: 08-23-07 01:16am
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I agree. We have triplets and I wouldn't
trade them for the world, I can't imagine
it if one would have been aborted.
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Posted: 08-23-07 15:30pm
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Personally, if I were having an abortion
and found out there were more than one
embryo it would not alter my decision. If
i can't have one baby, I certainly could
not have two!
However, if I were using fertility drugs
to purposefully conceive, i could not
abort one or two if I were carrying
multiples, becuase i knew that using
fertility drugs can cause a woman to
become pregnant with multiples. IMO that
would be like calculating my most fertile
time, deliberatley having sex to get
pregnant, and then aborting.
Having said that, it is still a woman's
choice to do so, and i would not interfere
or pass judgement. I reserve my
judgements for my own actions!
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Posted: 08-23-07 15:47pm
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Carrying of multiples would just give me
greater incentive to abort - I would go
postal on someone with one little waif to
deal with. Entire towns may get blown up
if I had three or four little screamers to
care for at once...nyyeh, makes my skin
crawl just thinking about having four
babies whining all at once.
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Jude-Love
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Posted: 08-23-07 19:23pm
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Carrying a multiple pregnancy is nothing
like carrying a normal pregnancy. It's
very high risk for mother and baby.
Multiples are taken C-section very often
and often have low birth weight as well.
I won't go through that if I do not have
to.
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Posted: 08-25-07 08:20am
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I see not difference in aborting a single
pregnancy to a multiple pregnancy.
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Posted: 08-25-07 10:49am
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Lets turn this a bit.. how about when you
don't elect to reduce the amount of
multiples and this causes premature
delivery and 5 of 6 sextuplets die? how
prolife is that?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-25-07 13:15pm
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| Jincks013
wrote: | | Lets turn this a bit.. how
about when you don't elect to reduce the
amount of multiples and this causes
premature delivery and 5 of 6 sextuplets
die? how prolife is
that? |
Well, you'd be letting "nature take it's
course" and that would make it "okay",
except of course for the fact that the
entire conception was anything but
natural.
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Posted: 08-25-07 18:10pm
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"It's a sticky situation. Many times when
women go in for and abortion, they're
telling themselves "I will only do this
once" or "I hope this is the only time I
ever have to do this!" you know? When the
female is presented with multiples,
suddenly it sort of becomes "two"
abortions instead of just one. "
eiri I think you have been very honest
there with the forum. It must of been hard
for you to take that stand point and I see
you are the only pro choice person so far
to go down that road. I hope you realise
what you did and it was intentional and
not just a slip.
because what you have done and I think it
is very brave of someone to do this from
the pro choice movement is to seperate the
abortion issue with the pregnant state and
shift the focus onto the killing of the
fetus, where you said it "sort" of becomes
"two" abortions instead of One, although
the woman is not pregnant twice, pregnant
once but with twins. You do kind of cover
yourself though with the "sort of becomes"
remark, that kind of seperates you from
the point of view, but you understand it.
I think that view opens a can of worms for
the pro choice person if they hold to it
themselves or not so long as they
understand it and either the others
genuinely dont see that point of view or
have been afraid to post it..... I respect
your honesty and your bravery (if it was
intentional)
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-25-07 20:33pm
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| Gu£st
wrote: | "It's a sticky situation.
Many times when women go in for and
abortion, they're telling themselves "I
will only do this once" or "I hope this is
the only time I ever have to do this!" you
know? When the female is presented with
multiples, suddenly it sort of becomes
"two" abortions instead of just one. "
eiri I think you have been very honest
there with the forum. It must of been hard
for you to take that stand point and I see
you are the only pro choice person so far
to go down that road. I hope you realise
what you did and it was intentional and
not just a slip.
because what you have done and I think it
is very brave of someone to do this from
the pro choice movement is to seperate the
abortion issue with the pregnant state and
shift the focus onto the killing of the
fetus, where you said it "sort" of becomes
"two" abortions instead of One, although
the woman is not pregnant twice, pregnant
once but with twins. You do kind of cover
yourself though with the "sort of becomes"
remark, that kind of seperates you from
the point of view, but you understand it.
I think that view opens a can of worms for
the pro choice person if they hold to it
themselves or not so long as they
understand it and either the others
genuinely dont see that point of view or
have been afraid to post it..... I respect
your honesty and your bravery (if it was
intentional) |
I've gotten grief from fellow pro-choicers
for just these reasons. I said "sort of"
simply because other people don't have the
same opinion as me, so though I may view
it as two, other people won't.
And the concept of multiple abortions
(whether of twins or of one fetus at a
time) is a sticky issue for me, period. I
honestly feel unhappy with abortion being
used as a sole form of birth control
unless the woman has no other options -
some women can't use hormonal birth
control, and as we know, barrier methods
fail. I think it is a disrespect to life
and to the female body to constantly have
abortions. Then again, that's just my
opinion. Would I drive a woman to her 8th
abortion, knowing she didn't use birth
control when she could have? No.
I believe in moderation, so saying "one
abortion is exactly the same as the ninth
one" is NOT the same. Eating twenty
cookies is not the same as eating one or
two.
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Posted: 08-26-07 00:03am
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For some reason I just don't see 'letting
*god* handle it' as a descent excuse. If
several doctors tell me I will stand a
better then average chance of losing most
or all in a premie delivery is it really
any different to electively abort then to
let *god* abort for you?
I think its cowardice.
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Gu£st
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Posted: 08-26-07 03:25am
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Then Eiri you are very brave to take the
opinion.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-26-07 12:39pm
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| Gu£st
wrote: | | Then Eiri you are very brave
to take the
opinion. |
Personally I actually don't take that
opinion; the one that "god" should take
his course in the case of risky multiples.
I think that if you will increase their
chances of survival, you should
selectively abort one or two of them if
that means the rest will survive.
This is of course slightly off topic and
in relation to IVF.
In relation to the original posted
question "If a woman is planning to abort
and discovers she has multiples, does it
change it for her?" I can see how it
would. You are suddenly killing two
potential babies, instead of "just one".
Of course not every woman will feel that
way and I wouldn't expect every woman to
feel that way.
IVF is a complicated situation, since
multiples are a semi-common occurrance,
and the space for debate is larger.
Personally, you purposely put 5 or 6
embryos into your body. Now, since there's
nothing natural about IVF at all, the
thought of aborting a few of the multiples
in order to increase the survival rates of
the others just makes plain sense. I used
to dislike the idea, but upon further
consideration and the mention of
"increasing the survival rates of the
other embryos", I realized it made more
sense.
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Posted: 08-31-07 11:39am
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Sometimes aborting one or more multiples
is the "pro-life" position:
This family was strongly urged by doctors
to not carry all of the embryos to term,
and the couple refused.
Aug 10, 2007 5:17 pm US/Central
Morrison Family Holds Funerals For 5 Of
The Babies
(WCCO) It was a day of sadness and
celebration of life Friday at Bethany
Church in Bloomington, Minn.
Brianna and Ryan Morrison held funeral
services for the five babies they've lost
since Brianna gave birth to six babies in
June.
Friends and family joined in honoring the
short lives of Lucia Rae, Bennet Ryan,
Tryg Brenton, Lincoln Sean, and Cadence
Alana.
http://wcco.com
/local/local_story_222182721.html
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