I don't think it's in the job description
to "serve based on what I think is
right".
If you worked at a restaurant, and a ruby
faced 300lb+ man ordered the most
fattening thing on the menu plus dessert
and an extra side of cool whip, are you
going to refuse to serve him because you
don't want to contribute to his inevitable
heart attack?
Or how 'bout those Target pharmacists who
refuse to dole out the morning after pill
because it goes against their moral views
on life?
The difference is perhaps that the fat man
is only damaging himself and not another
innocent human being who does not get a
choice.
You mean like in abortion; where the
innocent human being as you say does not
get a choice?
Since it's going to be dead, I guess it
doesn't matter.
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Gu£st
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Posted: 08-20-07 10:23am
"I don't think you're being true to
yourself.
If I saw a man on the street kicking a dog
I could not drive on by without saying
something; I would not feel good about
myself. You spoke so passionately about
this subject I don't see how you can turn
aside and let the woman drink the alcohol
and feel good about yourself. Maybe it is
your place in life to speak up about this.
There is a time and place for "preaching"
and when you see something like this
happening, it might be the time and place.
Just imagine if everywhere, everyone felt
it wasn't their place to "lecture" this
pregnant lady, and she drank all the time.
What if just one person sincerely sitting
down and talking to her about it could
make a world of difference. It's possible.
"
I like this response it encapsulates
exactly how i feel about abortion
I don't think you're being true to
yourself.
If I saw a pregnant woman on the way into
an abortion facility I could not drive on
by without saying something; I would not
feel good about myself. I don't see how
anyone can turn aside and let the woman
have an abortion and feel good about
themseves. Maybe it is our place in life
to speak up about these things.
There is a time and place for "preaching"
and when you see something like this
happening, it might be the time and place.
Just imagine if everywhere, everyone felt
it wasn't their place to "lecture" this
pregnant lady, and she had an abortion.
What if just one person sincerely sat her
down and talked to her about it, it could
make a world of difference. It's possible.
There are so many interlinked issues with
this and abortion and I have been whole
heartedly please by the vast majority of
the responses. It seems we all take a
somewhat exception to the abuse of the
fetus in this case and of course for good
reason, but it seems to me the only
difference between a fetus suffering at
the hands of a woman drinking and a woman
going for abortion is the wantedness of
the fetus and the actuallity of death in
regards to abortion rather than the
possibility of death/disability regarding
drinking
Its not life that is important but
wantedness?
Death is not bad but a life of being
disabled is?
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Birch
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Posted: 08-20-07 10:55am
Gu£st
wrote:
"I don't think you're being
true to yourself.
If I saw a man on the street kicking a dog
I could not drive on by without saying
something; I would not feel good about
myself. You spoke so passionately about
this subject I don't see how you can turn
aside and let the woman drink the alcohol
and feel good about yourself. Maybe it is
your place in life to speak up about this.
There is a time and place for "preaching"
and when you see something like this
happening, it might be the time and place.
Just imagine if everywhere, everyone felt
it wasn't their place to "lecture" this
pregnant lady, and she drank all the time.
What if just one person sincerely sitting
down and talking to her about it could
make a world of difference. It's possible.
"
I like this response it encapsulates
exactly how i feel about abortion
I don't think you're being true to
yourself.
If I saw a pregnant woman on the way into
an abortion facility I could not drive on
by without saying something; I would not
feel good about myself. I don't see how
anyone can turn aside and let the woman
have an abortion and feel good about
themseves. Maybe it is our place in life
to speak up about these things.
There is a time and place for "preaching"
and when you see something like this
happening, it might be the time and place.
Just imagine if everywhere, everyone felt
it wasn't their place to "lecture" this
pregnant lady, and she had an abortion.
What if just one person sincerely sat her
down and talked to her about it, it could
make a world of difference. It's possible.
There are so many interlinked issues with
this and abortion and I have been whole
heartedly please by the vast majority of
the responses. It seems we all take a
somewhat exception to the abuse of the
fetus in this case and of course for good
reason, but it seems to me the only
difference between a fetus suffering at
the hands of a woman drinking and a woman
going for abortion is the wantedness of
the fetus and the actuallity of death in
regards to abortion rather than the
possibility of death/disability regarding
drinking
Its not life that is important but
wantedness?
Death is not bad but a life of being
disabled is?
I appreciate your passion for your cause,
[even though I disdain your dismissal of
the opinions of the woman and I believe
your blanket statements regarding same are
negligent. (For those of you just tuning
in, I get that from "Guest's" comments on
the abortion debate forum.)]
However, your cause is grounded in some
very generalized opinions which are not
fundamentally true.
It is always wrong to kick a dog, but your
sentiment that "no woman wants an
abortion" is not always true.
Therefore, I would implore you to
enlighten yourself and get factually
straight about your cause before you take
it upon others.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-20-07 11:10am
Birch
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
It is AGAIN not my right or
my place to lecture her!! She knows what
she's doing, and I firmly believe that it
is not MY place to change her mind. Leave
that to someone who likes forcing their
opinions down other people's throats. Me?
I'd rather step aside.
Just as I hate people preaching in my face
about Jesus, I would hate to be accused of
preaching at a pregnant woman about
poisoning her child.
Whether I believe it is right or not isn't
the point. It's legal, and thats that.
Maybe I'll work on getting a law passed
about that, but a law like that would
invade so many privacies it's not even
funny, so I know it'll never
happen.
I don't think you're being true to
yourself.
If I saw a man on the street kicking a dog
I could not drive on by without saying
something; I would not feel good about
myself. You spoke so passionately about
this subject I don't see how you can turn
aside and let the woman drink the alcohol
and feel good about yourself. Maybe it is
your place in life to speak up about
this.
I can do it because I know there is a time
and a place to be outspoken. The middle of
a bar is not that place in my opinion, and
especially not when I am working. When I
am working, I am part of that
establishment and as several people have
said, it is against the law or something
to NOT serve her. I'm already being
impolite by refusing to hand her the drink
or refusing to go get it out of the
cooler.
Quote:
tr>
There is a time
and place for "preaching" and when you see
something like this happening, it might be
the time and place.
I just believe it is very offensive for an
employee to do so. I suppose I was raised
with a different set of manners...
Quote:
tr>
Just imagine if
everywhere, everyone felt it wasn't their
place to "lecture" this pregnant lady, and
she drank all the time.
An example of a place where it IS the time
to lecture: Your own home. Her home. A
provate office party. A picnic. Etc. Where
you and the woman are peers, not a
waitress and a customer. There are lots of
places to catch this woman drinking; but I
feel it is very rude for a paid servant
(aka a waitress) to assume authority over
the woman and her decision. Could the
owner of the bar deny her a drink? Yes.
Could the head bartender or head chef deny
her a drink? Yes. A waitress? No. A
waitress has n place to speak for the
entire establishment.
Quote:
tr>
What if just one
person sincerely sitting down and talking
to her about it could make a world of
difference. It's
possible.
And I simply feel with 100% honesty that
it would not be MY place as a waitress to
do so. Now if I owned the bar or was the
sole bartender or something, then yes, I
would step up and say something. I'd have
more authority then.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 08-20-07 14:31pm
There is a huge difference between
drinking during pregnancy and having an
abortion. If you have an abortion, you are
making the decision not to have a child.
If you drink during pregnancy, you are
making the decision to have a child that
you have debilitated.
It's hard- because doctors can't seem to
come to an agreement about how much
alcohol is safe or if none at all is
safe.
Personally, if I were pregnant I wouldn't
drink at all just to be safe. And if
serving a pregnant lady, I would probably
say something like, "Oh, I thought you
were pregnant! I can make that a virgin
for you" and let her try and explain if
she has a problem with it. I mean, perhaps
she just looks pregnant because she just
gave birth. Perhaps she is planning an
abortion. For all I know, perhaps she is
just wearing a pillow under her shirt.
Note--- there is incredible irony in
making virgin drinks for pregnant
women.... lol
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Mommy35
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Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 3165 Location: Vacationland, USA,
Posted: 08-20-07 14:39pm
The bar that I worked at in college we
could refuse to serve a person for any
reason. If the pregnant woman asked me if
I was refusing to serve her because she
was pregnant I would tell her "heck yeah".
It makes me sick to see a woman drinking,
puffing on a cigarette, or in line at the
methodone clinic for that matter. These
are the same women who cry "poor me" when
their kids come out underweight or with a
host of other issues.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-20-07 14:40pm
Lmao. That's a good way of putting it.
I was having the same problem of how to
approach the woman as well, because you
very well can't just start accusing her;
she'll just go on the defensive, say "Well
I'm just fat, how offensive you think I'm
so fat I look pregnant, get me your
manager you wh0r!!"
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Georgia59
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Posted: 08-20-07 15:09pm
That's the tricky part though, you don't
know for sure if she's pregnant.
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sillyakchick
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Posted: 08-20-07 16:31pm
*get your stones ready*
I drank wine when I was pregnant with both
of my children. With Geneva it was one
glass at Haloween and one glass at
Thanksgiving. She was born on November
28th. With Hannah, I had a glass of wine
on my birthday and one at Easter Dinner.
She was born on June 8th.
Neither of my children suffer from FAS.
The risk of damage done to the developing
fetus by alcohol consumption is highest
before a pregnant woman even looks
pregnant-in the first trimester. The
risks drop significantly after that.
there is no "safe level" of alcohol for a
pregnant woman, that is true. But you
must realize that by the time a woman is
obviously pregnant, there is a very small
chance of any damage being done.
There is no way for a server to know
whether the woman is a daily drinker or if
she is having a single celebratory glass
of wine. Personally, I never drank in
public, becuase i didn't want to have to
shrug of the disdain of people around me.
When I had the glass of wine at Easter, my
terribly uneducated
-as-far-as-child-development-goes little
brother threw a complete and total hissy
fit which forced me to get out my child
development text to help him understand.
i don't advocate for pregnant women to
drink, but i believe there is no harm in a
single glass of wine at a celebration once
a woman is well past the first trimester.
I waited unti lalmost the end of my
pregnancies.
Would I serve a pregnant woman? Luckily I
am not a waitress, so I don't have to
decide.
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young Girl
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Posted: 08-20-07 16:33pm
sillyakchick
wrote:
*get your stones ready*
I drank wine when I was pregnant with both
of my children. With Geneva it was one
glass at Haloween and one glass at
Thanksgiving. She was born on November
28th. With Hannah, I had a glass of wine
on my birthday and one at Easter Dinner.
She was born on June 8th.
Neither of my children suffer from FAS.
The risk of damage done to the developing
fetus by alcohol consumption is highest
before a pregnant woman even looks
pregnant-in the first trimester. The
risks drop significantly after that.
there is no "safe level" of alcohol for a
pregnant woman, that is true. But you
must realize that by the time a woman is
obviously pregnant, there is a very small
chance of any damage being done.
There is no way for a server to know
whether the woman is a daily drinker or if
she is having a single celebratory glass
of wine. Personally, I never drank in
public, becuase i didn't want to have to
shrug of the disdain of people around me.
When I had the glass of wine at Easter, my
terribly uneducated
-as-far-as-child-development-goes little
brother threw a complete and total hissy
fit which forced me to get out my child
development text to help him understand.
i don't advocate for pregnant women to
drink, but i believe there is no harm in a
single glass of wine at a celebration once
a woman is well past the first trimester.
I waited unti lalmost the end of my
pregnancies.
Would I serve a pregnant woman? Luckily I
am not a waitress, so I don't have to
decide.