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Serving Drinks to Pregnant Women. Posted: 08-17-07 21:11pm


Well working in a casino i have come to see women that are pregnant drinking in the casino. I do serve the drinks in the casino i work in. Would it be wrong for me to not serve the woman wanting to drink that is pregnant? Or anyone in general that serves drinks at their jobs. I know it's not against the law, but i would feel awful knowing i served that drink to that woman, and her baby might be affected from it.

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Posted: 08-17-07 21:39pm


I think you'd have too, but then again you can refuse to serve someone whos really drunk so perhaps you could. I'd probably lecture them for ordering it XD

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Posted: 08-17-07 22:17pm


I know I personally would refuse to serve a pregnant woman. She's not poisoning her fetus through my hands.

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Posted: 08-17-07 22:42pm


I would refuse. If a woman is noticeably pregnant or I know that she is I would not take part in helping to cause damage to her unborn child

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Posted: 08-17-07 23:20pm


i agree with eiri and iridecent_opal on this one if she was knowticably pregnant and i could tell i would NOT serve her a drink why would they be drinking while pregnant anyway

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Posted: 08-18-07 00:27am


A woman is quite within her rights to drink alcohol during pregnancy because it's not illegal to do so and, in the UK, it is advised that a couple of drinks a week is an acceptable level. However, I would not want to serve alcohol to a pregnant woman because, as Eiri said, I would not want to have a hand in possibly damaging her child.

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Posted: 08-18-07 00:30am


I would refuse to serve her. It is unbelievable to me that we can refuse minors, but not pregnant women!

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Posted: 08-18-07 06:14am


"I know I personally would refuse to serve a pregnant woman. She's not poisoning her fetus through my hands" Thats double standards!!! Her body, her choice!!! Just thought I would give the "other side" of the argument but seriously I do not have a problem with pregnant women having a drink so long as she engages in a responsible level, a glass of wine ect. Would I personally serve a preganant woman alcohol, not more than once and not if she was already under the effect of alcohol.

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Posted: 08-18-07 11:58am


I was kind of shocked at the responses here. I don't think it's in the job description to "serve based on what I think is right". If you worked at a restaurant, and a ruby faced 300lb+ man ordered the most fattening thing on the menu plus dessert and an extra side of cool whip, are you going to refuse to serve him because you don't want to contribute to his inevitable heart attack? Or how 'bout those Target pharmacists who refuse to dole out the morning after pill because it goes against their moral views on life?

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Posted: 08-18-07 13:00pm

Birch wrote:

I was kind of shocked at the responses here.

I don't think it's in the job description to "serve based on what I think is right".

If you worked at a restaurant, and a ruby faced 300lb+ man ordered the most fattening thing on the menu plus dessert and an extra side of cool whip, are you going to refuse to serve him because you don't want to contribute to his inevitable heart attack?

Or how 'bout those Target pharmacists who refuse to dole out the morning after pill because it goes against their moral views on life?

The difference is perhaps that the fat man is only damaging himself and not another innocent human being who does not get a choice.

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Ditto Posted: 08-18-07 13:15pm


I would explain first in a nice way why I couldn't serve a pregnant woman and leave the decision to her. If she goes ahead and orders a drink, I would not serve her myself and report to my manager what happened. You can create a moral dilemma for the woman and then stick to your guns. You might not be popular with everyone, but sometimes what is "right" is more important. In this case, nothing is more important than the health of the baby.

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Posted: 08-18-07 14:45pm


I'm sorry, but the moment a woman chooses to CARRY that child to birth, ANY thing she does to harm it or that can potential harm it is ABUSE. I will not be an accessory to abuse. You choose to keep that pregnancy, then you immediately become responsible for its well being and aside from your own death/harm, you should do your utmost to protect it, as you have CHOSEN to carry it. Now if she was planning to abort then by all means, drink away.

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Posted: 08-18-07 14:59pm

Jules wrote:

Birch wrote:

The difference is perhaps that the fat man is only damaging himself and not another innocent human being who does not get a choice.

Maybe the guy has kids, a family, and his death would damage them.

If you want to say something outside of your job to her, that's fine and understandable. But you are employed to serve and not to dish out morals. She's going to the casino to drink, not to be told what's best for her.

This could go really far; how do you feel about serving alcohol at all? It damages the liver, kidneys, it depletes the body of vitamin C. You are contributing to the decline of their health, and that may adversely cause harm to an innocent party somewhere. What about cigarettes? Are you going to stop selling cigarettes because of second hand smoke?

Hollyberries wrote: "i would feel awful knowing i served that drink to that woman, and her baby might be affected from it". You can't feel bad about that; you didn't force her to order, you didn't force her to drink it. Do gun shop owners feel bad if they sell a gun that ends up killing someone? I dont know, but I would hope not, because they didn't make the choice to kill someone.

I know this is kind of a hardass view to have, but if it's not against the law and it's not in your job description, it's not appropriate to lecture.

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Posted: 08-18-07 16:15pm


I wouldn't lecture; I'd just say "just a moment" and have someone else take her order.

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Posted: 08-18-07 16:17pm

Eiri wrote:

I wouldn't lecture; I'd just say "just a moment" and have someone else take her order.

So your conscience would be cleared by just stepping aside? Confused

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Posted: 08-18-07 16:24pm

Birch wrote:

Eiri wrote:

I wouldn't lecture; I'd just say "just a moment" and have someone else take her order.

So your conscience would be cleared by just stepping aside? Confused

For want of a better phrase, the blood wouldn't be on Eiri's (or whomever's) hands then. It's the woman's choice to drink, you can respect that without actively helping her do it.

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Posted: 08-18-07 16:31pm

Birch wrote:

Eiri wrote:

I wouldn't lecture; I'd just say "just a moment" and have someone else take her order.

So your conscience would be cleared by just stepping aside? Confused

I wouldn't be the one poisoning her future child, so yes. I will have done what I could without breaking the laws everyone is harping on.

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Posted: 08-18-07 16:32pm

Jules wrote:

Birch wrote:

Eiri wrote:

I wouldn't lecture; I'd just say "just a moment" and have someone else take her order.

So your conscience would be cleared by just stepping aside? Confused

For want of a better phrase, the blood wouldn't be on Eiri's (or whomever's) hands then. It's the woman's choice to drink, you can respect that without actively helping her do it.

Yes, exactly.
"It's the woman's choice to drink, you can respect that without actively helping her do it."

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Posted: 08-18-07 18:21pm

Jules wrote:

Birch wrote:

Eiri wrote:

I wouldn't lecture; I'd just say "just a moment" and have someone else take her order.

So your conscience would be cleared by just stepping aside? Confused

For want of a better phrase, the blood wouldn't be on Eiri's (or whomever's) hands then. It's the woman's choice to drink, you can respect that without actively helping her do it.

But you wouldn't be doing it anyways; it's all her decision. You're not forcing her to drink or order the drink.

I just don't see how it's "your" (meaning, anyone's) job to deny her the services you provide without any kind of rhyme or reason other than your own subjective morality.

And I definately think that if your conscience is so concerned about it, that just stepping away from the situation with your lip buttoned up is negligent and I would never act like that. Is that how people should act if they see someone beating their kid? "Out of sight, out of mind"?

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Posted: 08-18-07 21:26pm


Well if I can't arrest her for child abuse just because the child isn't born yet (even though it's a wanted child) then what am I supposed to do?