believe me euthenasia and disregard for life of the elderly is related to the abortion/birth control issue.... it is that we must first defeat

Uh, no it isn't.

What is related to that issue is our greedy, stupid government and the fact that once our parents get old, our society thinks it's okay to just put them away and forget they were ever wiping our asses.

Birth control and abortion don't have much to do with that.

The whole issue of pro life is not focused on abortion but on the ideology that lies behind abortion.

Human life disregard by mothers or by governments is still human life disregarded, the focal point of society is the family, Governement is merely reflection of our parents looking after us and so if we want our government to change its possiton who they find a convinience and wanted we need to accept the fact that all human beings are wanted human beings, that all life is sacred and it must come from the family

You are just rambling and completely missing what I am saying.

STOP WORRYING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HERE YET AND WORRY ABOUT THOSE WHO REALLY DO NEED US.

I totally agree that, generally speaking, the way the western world treats its elderly is a disgrace and more should be done to ensure our elders are treated with dignity and respect, as I'm sure we will wish to be when we reach that stage of our lives.

However, I don't think it's fair to draw a comparison between that and abortion because they are separate issues. It's like the people who say, "Why concern ourselves with animal welfare when there are so many children dying from starvation?!" Two totally different issues.

There are many problems in this world that need attention and until the human race is united (don't hold your breath) we all have to fight for what we as individuals believe is most important.

That said, I think standing outside abortion clinics, hurling accusations at women, is abhorrent and counter-productive.

Are you doing anything about it? And it is not acomplishing squat.
If just one woman has a change of heart because of the protesting; it was worth it.
You can say the same thing about the homeless. Are you doing anything to combat it and if not, how can you point a finger.

I think some people have a strange regard for life, in that they will do anything scientifically possible to prolong it or provide for it no matter what the cost or outcome. I personally think that science has gone too far and medicine is being used to keep people alive against the natural order of the world, both in utero and in sickness in old age or cases of brain death, etc. Our society seems to be focused on life at all costs without thought to the quality of that life or the costs on society to prolong it.

My father is 80, he has alzhiemers disease, and is basically a vegetable. He can drink and eat, but nothing is really 'right' within his mind.

He became violent, and we had to place him in a skilled nursing facility. He is treated very well. He lives in Black mountain NC, in the mountains, someplace he loved.

He would have rather been euthanized than live this way, we know this, the entire family knows this.

He cannot consent now, obviously, and we would not do that to him now.

IF he could have consented to special euthanasia measures in writing, if it was legal, he would have.

LIFE at all costs is no life at all. I look at this once proud man, this scientist, and he is reduced to diapers and mindless babble. Waiting to choke to death on food and water, because that is typically what happens to people in his state.'

That is not dignity. Screw "life" at all costs, quality is really what counts IMO.

I am sorry Carifairy about your father. I have seen the ravages of dementia, and I cannot imagine how awful that is for anyone to go through.

And I agree; what is "life"? Just sustaining bodily functions? That's not enough.

That's another reason abortion is no issue for me.

If just one woman has a change of heart because of the protesting; it was worth it.

Is it this a change of heart? Out of love for a human being? Or out of fear? Or does it not matter to you?

that was for milletics by the way.

So sorry about your father!

I agree. Quality of life is what matters to me. My grandmother doesn't have clinical dementia yet, but we know she's getting there. It's very hard to watch.

Sucks, man, I'm sorry.

I need to add this to the "What are your fears" thread on the Gen.comm chat page.

Off topic entirely, but I met a young man who was suffering from schizophrenia. The guy was bright as hell, and he would have lucid moments on occasions. During those moments, he would realize what he was missing and what was going on, and he'd get very depressed.

He has tried to commit suicide many times.

what i love is that the same people that are pro-life support the war in Iraq. talk about hypocrasy at its finest.

and the death penalty. G-d would be fine with that...

I don't think G-d would be fine with the Death Penalty. I think we should leave it up to G-d to decide what is the best punishment for his children.

"If just one woman has a change of heart because of the protesting; it was worth it."

Does it matter to you if it is a change of heart out of love for a human being? Or out of fear? Or does it not matter to you?

Is G-d some new-fangled way of writing God or am I missing something?

Never come across it before!

My Dad's a jew so he always got mad when I wrote it papers so now it just habit

Can't Jews write 'God' then? I didn't know that! Why's that then? (Sorry, 20 questions!)