Jude-Love
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It Bothers Me...
Posted: 08-13-07 21:46pm
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...that pro-life propaganda is full of
phrases like, "the defenseless who cannot
speak for themselves" and "the weak who
need our care" and all that happy stuff.
What about our elderly? To me, THEY are
the real victims of society. All the
while the disgusting things that happen to
them are happening, these people are
standing around outside of abortion
clinics, accomplishing squat.
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Gu£st
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Posted: 08-13-07 22:01pm
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believe me euthenasia and disregard for
life of the elderly is related to the
abortion/birth control issue.... it is
that we must first defeat
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Jude-Love
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Posted: 08-13-07 22:04pm
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Uh, no it isn't.
What is related to that issue is our
greedy, stupid government and the fact
that once our parents get old, our society
thinks it's okay to just put them away and
forget they were ever wiping our asses.
Birth control and abortion don't have much
to do with that.
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Gu£st
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Posted: 08-13-07 22:12pm
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The whole issue of pro life is not focused
on abortion but on the ideology that lies
behind abortion.
Human life disregard by mothers or by
governments is still human life
disregarded, the focal point of society is
the family, Governement is merely
reflection of our parents looking after us
and so if we want our government to change
its possiton who they find a convinience
and wanted we need to accept the fact that
all human beings are wanted human beings,
that all life is sacred and it must come
from the family
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Jude-Love
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Posted: 08-13-07 22:16pm
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| Gu£st
wrote: | The whole issue of pro life
is not focused on abortion but on the
ideology that lies behind abortion.
Human life disregard by mothers or by
governments is still human life
disregarded, the focal point of society is
the family, Governement is merely
reflection of our parents looking after us
and so if we want our government to change
its possiton who they find a convinience
and wanted we need to accept the fact that
all human beings are wanted human beings,
that all life is sacred and it must come
from the
family |
You are just rambling and completely
missing what I am saying.
STOP WORRYING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HERE
YET AND WORRY ABOUT THOSE WHO REALLY DO
NEED US.
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Jules
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Posted: 08-14-07 02:57am
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I totally agree that, generally speaking,
the way the western world treats its
elderly is a disgrace and more should be
done to ensure our elders are treated with
dignity and respect, as I'm sure we will
wish to be when we reach that stage of our
lives.
However, I don't think it's fair to draw a
comparison between that and abortion
because they are separate issues. It's
like the people who say, "Why concern
ourselves with animal welfare when there
are so many children dying from
starvation?!" Two totally different
issues.
There are many problems in this world that
need attention and until the human race is
united (don't hold your breath) we all
have to fight for what we as individuals
believe is most important.
That said, I think standing outside
abortion clinics, hurling accusations at
women, is abhorrent and
counter-productive.
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milletics
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Re: It Bothers Me...
Posted: 08-14-07 06:02am
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| Jude-Love
wrote: | ...that pro-life propaganda
is full of phrases like, "the defenseless
who cannot speak for themselves" and "the
weak who need our care" and all that happy
stuff.
What about our elderly? To me, THEY are
the real victims of society. All the
while the disgusting things that happen to
them are happening, these people are
standing around outside of abortion
clinics, accomplishing
squat. |
Are you doing anything about it? And it is
not acomplishing squat.
If just one woman has a change of heart
because of the protesting; it was worth
it.
You can say the same thing about the
homeless. Are you doing anything to
combat it and if not, how can you point a
finger.
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sillyakchick
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Posted: 08-14-07 09:52am
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I think some people have a strange regard
for life, in that they will do anything
scientifically possible to prolong it or
provide for it no matter what the cost or
outcome. I personally think that science
has gone too far and medicine is being
used to keep people alive against the
natural order of the world, both in utero
and in sickness in old age or cases of
brain death, etc. Our society seems to be
focused on life at all costs without
thought to the quality of that life or the
costs on society to prolong it.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 08-14-07 10:06am
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My father is 80, he has alzhiemers
disease, and is basically a vegetable. He
can drink and eat, but nothing is really
'right' within his mind.
He became violent, and we had to place him
in a skilled nursing facility. He is
treated very well. He lives in Black
mountain NC, in the mountains, someplace
he loved.
He would have rather been euthanized than
live this way, we know this, the entire
family knows this.
He cannot consent now, obviously, and we
would not do that to him now.
IF he could have consented to special
euthanasia measures in writing, if it was
legal, he would have.
LIFE at all costs is no life at all. I
look at this once proud man, this
scientist, and he is reduced to diapers
and mindless babble. Waiting to choke to
death on food and water, because that is
typically what happens to people in his
state.'
That is not dignity. Screw "life" at all
costs, quality is really what counts IMO.
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Birch
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Posted: 08-14-07 12:23pm
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I am sorry Carifairy about your father. I
have seen the ravages of dementia, and I
cannot imagine how awful that is for
anyone to go through.
And I agree; what is "life"? Just
sustaining bodily functions? That's not
enough.
That's another reason abortion is no issue
for me.
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marytartor
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Re: It Bothers Me...
Posted: 08-14-07 13:16pm
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If just one woman has a change of heart
because of the protesting; it was worth
it.
Is it this a change of heart? Out of love
for a human being? Or out of fear? Or does
it not matter to you?
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marytartor
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Posted: 08-14-07 13:53pm
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that was for milletics by the way.
So sorry about your father!
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-14-07 14:52pm
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| Birch
wrote: | I am sorry Carifairy about
your father. I have seen the ravages of
dementia, and I cannot imagine how awful
that is for anyone to go through.
And I agree; what is "life"? Just
sustaining bodily functions? That's not
enough.
That's another reason abortion is no issue
for me. |
I agree. Quality of life is what matters
to me. My grandmother doesn't have
clinical dementia yet, but we know she's
getting there. It's very hard to watch.
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Birch
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Posted: 08-14-07 15:34pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | Birch
wrote: | I am sorry Carifairy about
your father. I have seen the ravages of
dementia, and I cannot imagine how awful
that is for anyone to go through.
And I agree; what is "life"? Just
sustaining bodily functions? That's not
enough.
That's another reason abortion is no issue
for me. |
I agree. Quality of life is what matters
to me. My grandmother doesn't have
clinical dementia yet, but we know she's
getting there. It's very hard to
watch. |
Sucks, man, I'm sorry.
I need to add this to the "What are your
fears" thread on the Gen.comm chat page.
Off topic entirely, but I met a young man
who was suffering from schizophrenia. The
guy was bright as hell, and he would have
lucid moments on occasions. During those
moments, he would realize what he was
missing and what was going on, and he'd
get very depressed.
He has tried to commit suicide many times.

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everyday_struggle
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Re: It Bothers Me...
Posted: 08-14-07 15:42pm
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| Jude-Love
wrote: | ...that pro-life propaganda
is full of phrases like, "the defenseless
who cannot speak for themselves" and "the
weak who need our care" and all that happy
stuff.
What about our elderly? To me, THEY are
the real victims of society. All the
while the disgusting things that happen to
them are happening, these people are
standing around outside of abortion
clinics, accomplishing
squat. |
what i love is that the same people that
are pro-life support the war in Iraq. talk
about hypocrasy at its finest. 
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marytartor
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Posted: 08-14-07 15:49pm
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and the death penalty. G-d would be fine
with that...
I don't think G-d would be fine with the
Death Penalty. I think we should leave it
up to G-d to decide what is the best
punishment for his children.
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marytartor
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Re: It Bothers Me...
Posted: 08-14-07 15:56pm
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| milletics
wrote: | | Jude-Love
wrote: | ...that pro-life propaganda
is full of phrases like, "the defenseless
who cannot speak for themselves" and "the
weak who need our care" and all that happy
stuff.
What about our elderly? To me, THEY are
the real victims of society. All the
while the disgusting things that happen to
them are happening, these people are
standing around outside of abortion
clinics, accomplishing
squat. |
Are you doing anything about it? And it is
not acomplishing squat.
If just one woman has a change of heart
because of the protesting; it was worth
it.
You can say the same thing about the
homeless. Are you doing anything to
combat it and if not, how can you point a
finger. |
"If just one woman has a change of heart
because of the protesting; it was worth
it."
Does it matter to you if it is a change of
heart out of love for a human being? Or
out of fear? Or does it not matter to you?
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Jules
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Posted: 08-14-07 16:43pm
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| marytartor
wrote: | and the death penalty. G-d
would be fine with that...
I don't think G-d would be fine with the
Death Penalty. I think we should leave it
up to G-d to decide what is the best
punishment for his
children. |
Is G-d some new-fangled way of writing God
or am I missing something?
Never come across it before! 
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marytartor
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Posted: 08-14-07 16:45pm
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My Dad's a jew so he always got mad when I
wrote it papers so now it just habit
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Jules
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Posted: 08-14-07 17:09pm
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| marytartor
wrote: | | My Dad's a jew so he always
got mad when I wrote it papers so now it
just habit |
Can't Jews write 'God' then? I didn't
know that! Why's that then? (Sorry, 20
questions!)
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